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Author Topic: Stopping the real timewasters and scammers  (Read 2009 times)

While you are handing the money over -  hold on to it just as she grabs it and say very clearly:

 'I don't like massages'

Don't let go until she acknowledges. Those four words will make her look at you like you just pissed in her cornflakes and ruined her day but don't worry, at least the lines have been drawn and you (the only one that actually matters in the equation) get your moneys worth instead of a silly back rub designed to wilter away the time. This technique also works great for confirming services that are 'supposedly' offered, also for checking there are no hidden extras and lastly for informing the girl of the time and that the appointment has now started as opposed to 20 minutes ago when she was giving you the run around because she wasn't ready (translation: because she double-booked and was clearing out the last punter).

A WG is very truthful and very straight-talking when cash is partially in her hands. Try it if you don't believe me.



Offline AnthG

you (the only one that actually matters in the equation) get your moneys worth instead of a silly back rub designed to wilter away the time.

Why not just.

"Would you like a backrub"
"No thanks I don't like them."

Gives the same results without all that messing about.

I have been asked about a massage twice and I said no twice. And we moved straight on from there.

Offline mattylondon

While you are handing the money over -  hold on to it just as she grabs it and say very clearly:
That sort of thing is established by me PRIOR to handing over my cash, not during!!? I don't need to play daft games like that? She doesn't get her hands on my money until we're crystal clear on that score! Hard lessons learnt from early experiences.  ;)

I always watch out for the massage line. I don't believe they are designed to 'relax you'. They're just some bullshit enterprise designed to waste a punter's time, as is too much 'chit chat'! I'm always polite, but will cut somebody short these days if I detect that. Chat by all means before or after a punt, but not in my paid time. If you want to relax a man, then suck his cock, to start with. Think you find that tends to do the trick!  :P If you want to have a massage, go to a professional, which isn't somebody who offers sexual services.  :hi:
« Last Edit: January 17, 2012, 09:32:49 PM by mattylondon »

Offline James999

While you are handing the money over -  hold on to it just as she grabs it and say very clearly:

 'I don't like massages'

Or just take the lead from the outset, I've seen a few pro$$ies and never had a single massage  :hi: if I wanted a massage I would go to an osteopath or qualified masseur not a pro$$ie, in the same way if I want my cock sucked I don't go to the osteopath  :hi:

Massage is like coffee & chat, a pro$$ies way to fill your time  :hi:

Offline mattylondon

Massage is like coffee & chat, a pro$$ies way to fill your time  :hi:
Exactly. Never had a massage from a wg and simply not interested? Chit chat being the SPs favourite method, hence why they love the 1 hour plus booking and deep down hate the 30 minute ones! And try to avoid advertising it if they can, but keep it there as some cash is better than no cash!  :P

15 or 30 minutes = more work, less money
1 hour = more money, less work!

45 minutes means - I'd really like to get as much money out of you, but know that you don't want to pay for the hour, so I'll give you 30 minutes and talk for 15!!  :P

They may well have done a massage course and qualified, I'll acknowledge that, but in my eyes that isn't their main function or specialism on a sex site. I'm sorry, but truly professional masseuses don't advertise on sex sites, end of!   ;)
« Last Edit: January 17, 2012, 09:39:44 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Strawberry

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I'm not a qualified masseuse and would never offer one as such, if someone asks specifically I'll oblige but not before explaining it's not my area of expertise. I have a good idea it's actually lost me bookings, as 'massage' can be used as a euphemism for sex but hey ho.

Offline Jacob

Never had a massage, if offered just say not my thing so let's get down to business and proceed to do so.

Offline softlad

I'll buck the trend here, I actually like the crappy massage before the main event.
I find it breaks the ice, we can make small talk without awkward eye contact, until a bit of rapour is built up.
The massage usually ends with owo, then I like to show the pro$$ie my moves. :dance:
I'm talking about 1hr bookings here.  :music:
« Last Edit: January 17, 2012, 10:41:28 PM by softlad »

Offline tom269u001

I've had some excellent massages - the type that get the juices flowing. Some girls know exactly how to massage a man.

If the massage is not going well, I simply turn over.

Offline SarahHarris

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I don't really like doing massage, so I'll only do it if it's specifically asked for. The massage oil always ends up in my hair, and I suspect I'm not that good at it. I'm better at shagging - stick to what you know is my motto  ;)

Offline philuk1uk

Maybe i'm generalising but in my experience girls that appear less confident at the outset often suggest a massage, whereas girls with more confidence just get straight into it.

Offline jackdaw

I like a good massage. But I will agree that hits often a bad sign when its first thing offered. (Though like most things, can't say "always"... because I imagine many good WG may use it as an "ice breaker" when faced with a nervous guy.)

And on general approach advocated by sucky2dollar ("hanging onto money before getting specifics agreed").... I'm not sure I agree.  I think most important thing is to make sure you're seeing right WG in first place. If you've jumped that hurdle... why get punt off to a possibly poor start by maybe appearing to be niggardly??


Offline Boy

Massages can be good especially if there are some initial nerves (as I tend to get with a new WG) and overall I love a good massage but yes going by my last punt it it was a pointless finger prodding designed to avoid what I was there for, and before I knew it too much time has elapsed and now a rush was on and the mood was rubbish. Prior to that though, another punt had a superb erotic massage prior to the main event and she really knew how to brush her fingers lightly in just the right areas to get me going.

I think that next time I will make sure that it's short and sweet though, even if done well.

Offline smiths

I like a good massage. But I will agree that hits often a bad sign when its first thing offered. (Though like most things, can't say "always"... because I imagine many good WG may use it as an "ice breaker" when faced with a nervous guy.)

And on general approach advocated by sucky2dollar ("hanging onto money before getting specifics agreed").... I'm not sure I agree.  I think most important thing is to make sure you're seeing right WG in first place. If you've jumped that hurdle... why get punt off to a possibly poor start by maybe appearing to be niggardly??

My routine is to enquire on the phone seeking confirmation of the services i require are definitely on offer, if so i might book and once at the WGs i seek confirmation in person before handing my cash over, this way only the out and out liars once they have my cash start saying they cant do what had just been confirmed. Its rare to meet such a blatant fact to face liar in my experience.

As to massage its ALWAYS a timewasting tactic in my experience and despite me never mentioning i wanted a massage a small number of WGs still offer one at the start. No thanks, i would rather kiss you is my usual reply. I punt for sex and a massage is of absolutely no interest to me off of a WG. ;)


Offline James999

As to massage its ALWAYS a timewasting tactic in my experience and despite me never mentioning i wanted a massage a small number of WGs still offer one at the start. No thanks, i would rather kiss you is my usual reply. I punt for sex and a massage is of absolutely no interest to me off of a WG. ;)

I have also been offered a massage (timewasting tactic as you say) without asking for it, my reply is "Sure, can you massage my cock with your mouth"  :hi:

Offline mattylondon

My routine is to enquire on the phone seeking confirmation of the services i require are definitely on offer, if so i might book and once at the WGs i seek confirmation in person before handing my cash over
It's the only way to go, if you want to try and cut down on the liars. You have to look at this as a business transaction first and foremost. I think far too many punters attribute something else to it and are therefore afraid or reluctant to ask certain questions.  The poor SPs are counting on that mentality! The wg certainly sees you as business and so should you. The problem can arise, of course, with a girl who's primary language is not English. They can be a lot more slippery, take your cash, then pretend they didn't really understand you meant that service!!? You must always be prepared to walk, if you're not satisfied and either have a plan b or be prepared to punt another day.

Offline jackdaw

My routine is to enquire on the phone seeking confirmation of the services i require are definitely on offer, if so i might book and once at the WGs i seek confirmation in person before handing my cash over, this way only the out and out liars once they have my cash start saying they cant do what had just been confirmed. Its rare to meet such a blatant fact to face liar in my experience.

As to massage its ALWAYS a timewasting tactic in my experience and despite me never mentioning i wanted a massage a small number of WGs still offer one at the start. No thanks, i would rather kiss you is my usual reply. I punt for sex and a massage is of absolutely no interest to me off of a WG. ;)

I can see wisdom of that with somebody who's rep you don't know. But do you really do it all the time? Imagine you were going to risk frost bite in the far north by going to Manchester... a quick question to one of the Manchester guys such as Phillip or Softlad would soon identify some of the top kissing talent. After that... you're sorted.

Similarly if I was risking coming to London... I'd set a lot more store on your recs... than asking WG for services on phone and then repeating questions in person. I really do think single most important thing is initial selection.

Offline smiths

I can see wisdom of that with somebody who's rep you don't know. But do you really do it all the time? Imagine you were going to risk frost bite in the far north by going to Manchester... a quick question to one of the Manchester guys such as Phillip or Softlad would soon identify some of the top kissing talent. After that... you're sorted.

Similarly if I was risking coming to London... I'd set a lot more store on your recs... than asking WG for services on phone and then repeating questions in person. I really do think single most important thing is initial selection.

I still ask even if a  punter has given me a recommendation because i have experienced WGs changing the services they offer, but having a rec is of course very helpful and appreciated. Certainly initial selection is crucial but if you like variety like i do taking a risk on an unreviewed WG is going to occur at some stage. ;)

Offline finn5555

Had one prossie who was very insistent on giving me a massage   :dancegirl: even though I said no but once she had squirted copious amounts of baby oil onto her tits and started massaging me with hands and tits I was happy  :yahoo:

I was, after a while, horny as fuck and wanted a blow job then to my surprise she slid down my back parted my legs and started rimming me  :D  I only ended up having 15 minutes left to fuck her   :P 

I only ended up having 15 minutes left to fuck her   :P
Heh that's usually how it goes.

I only started this topic because many WG's tend to change the arrangement AFTER the money is handed over, so any conversation you may have had on the phone means very little. And of course once you're there it's harder to just leave if you're horny.



Talking is another timewasting tactic, she can talk fine with your cock in her mouth.
If you've already cum then there's no reason why she can't suck your balls for 10 minutes

I look at it this way.. why would you pay £100+ to tell a stranger about your job or other irrelevant bullshit she doesn't care about?

 Think about it.




Offline AnthG

If you've already cum then there's no reason why she can't suck your balls for 10 minutes
Wouldn't that annoy the hell out of her though.

You have just come. She thinks "ok a break" and you stop her and say "no suck my balls for 10 mins while I recuperate" does that not anger her immensely?

What is the reaction you've got to that?

Offline mattylondon

"no suck my balls for 10 mins while I recuperate" does that not anger her immensely?
:lol:

Wouldn't that annoy the hell out of her though.

You have just come. She thinks "ok a break" and you stop her and say "no suck my balls for 10 mins while I recuperate" does that not anger her immensely?

What is the reaction you've got to that?

From EE's no problem whatsoever which is why they are my favourite type of prositute, but british girls (esp the slightly older ones) usually get in a huff

I believe there is nothing wrong with being clear about what you want. If she wants a break or a rest she can stop the clock -- but oh no she wont do that, god forbid..

 I think punters have become weak minded, im not saying be an arsehole but be assertive or you will just be taken for a ride.



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