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Offline Dime

I've been wondering recently why punting is so expensive, on average 30 mins costs about 80 though I have seen some as low as 60 and  an hour is between 130 and 150. In relative comparison to other self employed people who offer a service i.e driving instructors or private tutors it is expensive.  When I learned to drive about 5 years ago, each lesson cost me 22 pds. You are paying for use of the car and petrol as well as the instructor's time. The instuctor has to pass tests to get his badge to teach, and private tutors usually have a university degree in the subject they tutor in. So how can WGs justify such high prices? They do not need any training or qualifications to work as a WG. I understand you are paying for the intimacy of their companionship,  and you don't have sex with your DI . However,  what is the difference?  Why do DIs or private tutors not charge 150 pds for an hours lesson?  You could argue if its good enough for WGs its good enough for other people who are self employed. 

Offline Daffodil

The power of the marketplace. Punters will pay it so prossies will charge it.

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How much would I have to pay you to suck my cock?

Offline AnthG

The thing that annoys me so much about this is; if a girl works for an agency in the north east. She gets £50 per hour. The agency gets the other £50.

If she works independently and you messaged her and offered this amount. Or even half way and £75 per hour, you'd likely get a complete chastising type response.

Why are WGs so willing to work for agencies and have them take a huge portion of their money. But why are they so out and out insulted, angry and offended at the idea of when they work independently and people may try to negotiate a better deal.
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Offline Jimmyredcab

The power of the marketplace. Punters will pay it so prossies will charge it.

Yes, sadly that is the truth.

Compared to other services the prices are beyond crazy, for example my Dentist seems to charge about £160 an hour but he has a shop on the high street, two staff and expensive equipment to pay for.

In real terms pro$$ies rates have not really increased over the last 10 years, probably something to do with the invasion of Eastern Europeans.

Offline hendrix

They can charge it because people will pay it. There's no requirement to justify it :unknown:

and Jimmy's point is correct, London agencies like Maxes charge the same as they did around 12 years ago..around £200 ph - not too many businesses could say that I guess :unknown:

« Last Edit: May 17, 2015, 06:41:13 pm by hendrix »

Type_O_Negative

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As i said many times - many here overuse "VFM" term or say "Well beautiful girl like you should charge more". On a top of these any positive review acts like good marketing for prossie. So by writing positive reviews - we punters - speed up her business which leads to price hike. Of course it's my point of view.

Prossies - mostly women with poor education and without any skills earn more money/hour than Prime Minister or brain surgeon... What a distortion.

Offline Jimmyredcab

They can charge it because people will pay it. There's no requirement to justify it :unknown:

and Jimmy's point is correct, London agencies like Maxes charge the same as they did around 12 years ago..around £200 ph - not too many businesses could say that I guess :unknown:

My first ever review on the other forum was in 2001, I paid £100 for the hour, many independents still charge that today.

Offline Jimmyredcab

As i said many times - many here overuse "VFM" term or say "Well beautiful girl like you should charge more". On a top of these any positive review acts like good marketing for prossie. So by writing positive reviews - we punters - speed up her business which leads to price hike. Of course it's my point of view.

Prossies - mostly women with poor education and without any skills earn more money/hour than Prime Minister or brain surgeon... What a distortion.

Some good points.
Girls with lots of positive reports will often increase their rates, some AW girls insist you book through the system to increase their feedback.

Offline smiths

I've been wondering recently why punting is so expensive, on average 30 mins costs about 80 though I have seen some as low as 60 and  an hour is between 130 and 150. In relative comparison to other self employed people who offer a service i.e driving instructors or private tutors it is expensive.  When I learned to drive about 5 years ago, each lesson cost me 22 pds. You are paying for use of the car and petrol as well as the instructor's time. The instuctor has to pass tests to get his badge to teach, and private tutors usually have a university degree in the subject they tutor in. So how can WGs justify such high prices? They do not need any training or qualifications to work as a WG. I understand you are paying for the intimacy of their companionship,  and you don't have sex with your DI . However,  what is the difference?  Why do DIs or private tutors not charge 150 pds for an hours lesson?  You could argue if its good enough for WGs its good enough for other people who are self employed.

Because enough punters are prepared to pay WGs prices, as simple as that. However the figures you give for hour punts are just one price point in London where I punt where hour punts start from £60 and go up to huge money. Personally I have recently had excellent punts from £60-190 an hour.

Once a woman has decided to become a WG it is certainly the case she COULD earn very good money almost immediately without any qualifications or training first. Its also the case in my experience that my punting costs on average have gone down in the last 10 years, a combination of finding punting forums, meeting other punters and fierce competition from EE WGs in particular.

Few if anyone would pay £150 an hour for a Driving Instructor as there are many who charge much much less obviously. Some punters including me sometimes choose to pay a WG £150 an hour or more as we want to punt with a specific WG and that is what she is charging, such punts if good are VFM to ME, how others see it is their business. I would love my punts to be £20 an hour but live in the real world.

Offline GreyDave

 :hi: I paid £15 plus a pound tip in 1978 to lose it :D :D :D and £20 plus 2 quid tip in Soho yesterday lunch time
So some things are still great value I wont for fear of me going in to schock tell how much I wasted on civvies :D :D

Offline smiths

As i said many times - many here overuse "VFM" term or say "Well beautiful girl like you should charge more". On a top of these any positive review acts like good marketing for prossie. So by writing positive reviews - we punters - speed up her business which leads to price hike. Of course it's my point of view.

Prossies - mostly women with poor education and without any skills earn more money/hour than Prime Minister or brain surgeon... What a distortion.

Idiots who post a WG should raise her prices are total twats in my view, would they ask their energy suppliers to charge them more, no of course they wouldn't. Saying a WG is VFM is a personal judgement on how the punter saw the punt cost wise, I look for VFM at ALL my punts.

I have certainly experienced WGs both raising their prices and becoming harder to book after getting reviews and punters have to decide for themselves whether to do a review, share only by PM, with punters they know personally, off forum or not at all.

Offline sushi

As I see it she has some expences both for the accomodation, advertising and also charges for her time and services, its a very high risk profession (compare the deaths of driving school instructors on the job to prostitutes), From memory 30 years ago the average price for a half hour punt was £30 also there was no kissing or OWO. Today in my area the avererage half hour is £60 thats only a !00% fee increase in 30 years not so much when you consider what you would be earning today if you applied the same maths to your wage packet. I don't agree with them charging over the top fees in the £100's but £60-£70 half hours and £90-£120 hours are acceptable IMO.

Redhead Lover

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So if the WG is also a driving instructor, she'd charge twice...?

Offline Cuntminion

Hmmm 100 to 150 an hour tops and worth it

I don't know if it's cos I'm new to the game but I think what the job of wg entails is a pretty tall fucking order

Yes it's their choice
Yes they can detach if they choose and think of feeding penguins at the zoo

But at end of day it's still a heavy task to do

Offline Malvolio

I don't know where you punt, but you can certainly get decent punts in London for £100 an hour. 

LL

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I agree with what's been written by others about pricing - they charge what people will pay.

I would go a step further and say that rates are directly linked to disposable income.  This might explain why prossie rates haven't really gone up a lot in 10 years or longer.  Although, our wages have risen this has not been proportionate to the rise in house prices.  Therefore most of us have less disposable income than people typically had 10 years ago.  I earn a reasonable wage but half of it goes to the mortgage and a huge chunk of the rest pays for a ridiculously-overpriced rail season ticket.

In countries where the average member of the public has a higher level of disposable income (Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, etc, etc) compared to us here in the UK, the prossie rates are higher.

Offline adindas

It is about supply and demand and information which are scarce but it is getting better. The rate is getting better in favour of us due to the power of internet and information sharing. You do not need to pay £80 for half hour for an attractive WGs. In London you could easily get a decent punting for £50 half hour or £80 for an hour if you want to do a deskwork as well as want to venture taking a risk. Sometimes you could find it as low as £40 half hour.

You will often see in AW the same WGs will hike their rate once they become popular and therefore in demand. If you are one of the first one to meet her before she increased her rate you would be paying a lower rate.

In Germany for instance you could Bang 5-6 porn stars for six hours and just pay EUR 80. You could visit a flat rate with 5-6 girls and bang all of them for EUR 60. When more punters refuse to pay a higher rate the rate here in the UK could move toward what the people in Germany are paying.  The rate in the UK here will be getting better if more punters want to do more deskwork benefiting the power of information sharing and refuse to pay a higher rate.

I used to pay around £150 a few years ago. But nowadays the maximum I will pay is £50 for half hour and £80 for an hour. Some of punting are bad, neutral but majority are still good. But I am willing to take risk and even for the girl without any review here on UKP. There are so many to choose from AW in this price bracket


I've been wondering recently why punting is so expensive, on average 30 mins costs about 80 though I have seen some as low as 60 and  an hour is between 130 and 150. In relative comparison to other self employed people who offer a service i.e driving instructors or private tutors it is expensive.  When I learned to drive about 5 years ago, each lesson cost me 22 pds. You are paying for use of the car and petrol as well as the instructor's time. The instuctor has to pass tests to get his badge to teach, and private tutors usually have a university degree in the subject they tutor in. So how can WGs justify such high prices? They do not need any training or qualifications to work as a WG. I understand you are paying for the intimacy of their companionship,  and you don't have sex with your DI . However,  what is the difference?  Why do DIs or private tutors not charge 150 pds for an hours lesson?  You could argue if its good enough for WGs its good enough for other people who are self employed.

Offline freddiej

Idiots who post a WG should raise her prices are total twats in my view, would they ask their energy suppliers to charge them more, no of course they wouldn't. Saying a WG is VFM is a personal judgement on how the punter saw the punt cost wise, I look for VFM at ALL my punts.

I have certainly experienced WGs both raising their prices and becoming harder to book after getting reviews and punters have to decide for themselves whether to do a review, share only by PM, with punters they know personally, off forum or not at all.
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I see your point but I have found reviews very useful so decided to do some to be helpful back. It works for us and against us.
Probably the best route would be to only review girls who haven't had a recent one or none at all. 
« Last Edit: May 17, 2015, 08:09:34 pm by freddiej »

willbred

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I see your point but I have found reviews very useful so decided to do some to be helpful back. It works for us and against us.
Probably the best route would be to only review girls who haven't had a recent one or none at all.

As always, on the other side of the coin, there are many girls who do not cash in on a few reviews here

Offline Dime

It is about supply and demand and information which are scarce but it is getting better.
This. I kind of get the impression from a lot of replies that most punters don't think girls are worth £150 P.h however are willing to pay it. The reason why lots of girls become WGs is possibly the lure of the big bucks. This is the reason why so many students are turning to escort agency work to help them whilst at university. They would only be earning minimum wage doing typical student part-time jobs like bar work, retail etc. However, they get 3 one hour escort bookings, they can earn £450 in one night.

Huckleberry

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The O.P has made a valid point and it is up to US the punters to pay their over the top rates or do the simple thing and avoid WGs who think they are worth high stakes.
I have known a few over the years, who have saved and invested their earnings buying gold, multiple Rolex watches, apartments to let out here and overseas.
A few have diversified in buying vineyard, organic farm, restaurants,
and even multiple massage parlours,  here in UK and abroad.
Meanwhile,  US, Joe punter has f.all to show for our years spending to be entertained.
I think £50/half hour and £120/Hour should be judged reasonable for overall overheads and expenses, keeping room tidy and changing bedsheets frequently for hygiene purposes.
H

306

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as a fairly new punter  2 years i think prices are high £1 per min is plenty for any job ,

spkmstr48

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Hmmm 100 to 150 an hour tops and worth it

I don't know if it's cos I'm new to the game but I think what the job of wg entails is a pretty tall fucking order

Yes it's their choice
Yes they can detach if they choose and think of feeding penguins at the zoo

But at end of day it's still a heavy task to do

Why it's only sex?

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

RandyF

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Punter desperation.  When you look at some of the sights on AW that punters are queuing up to give 120 quid...fucking hell, poor buggers  :blush:

MrBridger

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Hmmm 100 to 150 an hour tops and worth it

I don't know if it's cos I'm new to the game but I think what the job of wg entails is a pretty tall fucking order

Yes it's their choice
Yes they can detach if they choose and think of feeding penguins at the zoo

But at end of day it's still a heavy task to do

There's a 'smell of fish' joke in there somewhere but I'm too much of a 'gentlemans' to write it  ;)

Offline Cuntminion

There's a 'smell of fish' joke in there somewhere but I'm too much of a 'gentlemans' to write it  ;)

 :lol:

Offline Cuntminion

Why it's only sex?

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:


Prob just my newness to whole thing but I just think it is a hard job, not just lying back for an hour, can't be easy however easy it can be made to look
Physically and mentally

spkmstr48

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Prob just my newness to whole thing but I just think it is a hard job, not just lying back for an hour, can't be easy however easy it can be made to look
Physically and mentally

To be honest it should be hard but not in the way you imagine,  too many WGs, however, put very little effort in.

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Offline MancSean

As i said many times - many here overuse "VFM" term or say "Well beautiful girl like you should charge more". On a top of these any positive review acts like good marketing for prossie. So by writing positive reviews - we punters - speed up her business which leads to price hike. Of course it's my point of view.

Prossies - mostly women with poor education and without any skills earn more money/hour than Prime Minister or brain surgeon... What a distortion.
Apart from a very few most earn nothing like you are imaging as they don't work anywhere as much as you think (talking about independents ) girls that work in parlours etc have to pay a hefty share of their fee to their "bosses"

Sureshot

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Why it's only sex?

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

I'll give you £20 to fuck you up the arse!

Offline sticko


Prob just my newness to whole thing but I just think it is a hard job, not just lying back for an hour, can't be easy however easy it can be made to look
Physically and mentally

I'm with you Com.  Put yourselves in the WG's shoes; how much would you need to get paid to fuck old, overweight, sweaty, smelly women who are shit at sex 3 or 4 times a day?  Oh, and convince them that you're really enjoying yourself while you're doing it?  Granted, not every punter fits this bill, but many do.  And speaking entirely personally I'd need more than 80 quid for a half hour of it.

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Offline OakTree

Why it's only sex?

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Yes but if it was as trivial as that I wouldn't be prepared to pay for it. I might also consider renting my arse out under that premise. I can assure you 150 note is no way going to tempt me to do so.

Oberyn1

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Well these women are selling their bodies after all. How much would you want to be paid if you had to fuck a woman you're in no way attracted to? Let's not forget that she'll expect you to eat her pussy, rim her, whatever she wants.

vt

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It's market forces...supply & demand...I'm sure the demand has been creeping up due to internet forums such as this with great advice from an active community. The supply has been keeping up with and probably exceeding the demand, as evidenced by fairly static pricing in recent years despite a more general inflation of other goods & services. The EE effect has played a large part in that, as many young EE women have come over here willing to do almost anything to earn cash. Romanian minimum wage is about 90p/hr, so their 50% cut of the £70 fee seems like a fortune.
 
I guess the stigma, the unpalatability plus the inherent dangers of the profession does somewhat limit new entrants, most women would never consider it, but the rewards are such that it's seen as a viable choice to quite a few. But not all of those are equipped to make a success of it.

Of course, punters look for those rare girls who seem to enjoy the sex nearly as much as getting paid!  ;)
« Last Edit: May 18, 2015, 12:46:23 pm by vt »

Offline tantric talents

Why do dogs lick their own balls? Because they can!  :hi:

fredpunter

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£1 per min is plenty for any job ,

Thank god you aren't my boss

306

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So  £2.500 per week and £120.000 per year is way too little for you ?

Offline OakTree

So  £2.500 per week and £120.000 per year is way too little for you ?

That's assuming she has a client every hour for a full forty hour week and maintains that rate for 50 weeks, unlikely.

fredpunter

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So  £2.500 per week and £120.000 per year is way too little for you ?

I've often wondered how some people manage to survive on less.  :hi:

DG

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I look at this from a buyers point if view. I have a range I'm prepared to pay, but if I see a girl who's a bit more expensive but with good and reliable reviews, I might pay the extra tenner or so. But there are limits; no more than £80 hh or £140 hour. At the other end of the scale I've found some great girls in the £50 hh range; cheap doesn't mean a crap punt, could be just good marketing. One of my favourite girls at the minute is £50 hh and £120 hour, clearly she prefers the shorter bookings.

Offline Jimmyredcab

One of my favourite girls at the minute is £50 hh and £120 hour, clearly she prefers the shorter bookings.

Maybe she didn't do maths at Uni, that is a ridiculous price structure.    :wackogirl:

fredpunter

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Maybe she didn't do maths at Uni, that is a ridiculous price structure.    :wackogirl:

There used to be a few girls in the hounslow area advertising 80 ph or 200 for 2 hours, which always struck me as odd. I queried it with one once and the reply was something along the lines of "what I charge is none of your business" which of course is true, but it also ensured she never got any of my business.

Offline Brazilian Martian

Apart from a very few most earn nothing like you are imaging as they don't work anywhere as much as you think (talking about independents ) girls that work in parlours etc have to pay a hefty share of their fee to their "bosses"

I have always wondered how much they pay to the bosses in parlours at the end of the day or week

Offline OakTree

At the end of the day they'll charge what they can get away with.

A girl that charges 500 notes for the hour may only see 2 or 3 clients a week so she'll be making 1000 to 1500 a week, she'd be mad to drop her rates if she's doing that. I wouldn't pay it but there are mugs out there who will and that's how they can charge such high prices.

Offline Cuntminion

So  £2.500 per week and £120.000 per year is way too little for you ?

Christ ill do it for those figures

But I'm in the boat of can't give it away

Offline Mr Garmin

I would say that in the main punting prices have remained the same while in general wages have risen. When I first punted about 20 years ago I would often pay about 100 to 120 ph and I can still do that. In that time my disposable income has probably quadrupled or more. The most I have paid was 500 for an hours duo with Tiffany Walker and her friend in Finchley, it was absolutely fantastic and worth the money but it was a once in a lifetime fantasy punt.

IMO it will continue that way with supply increasing with the level immigration and young girls seeing it a genuine career option (unless the government decide to force the issue with legislation). I think prices will remain the same while wages will increase and only the very top girls (the ones who have become legends) being able to charge silly money.

Oh and the argument about would I do it? Perhaps, if I was young, poorly educated, attractive, with the only other option being stacking shelves at minimum wage then perhaps I would grit my teeth and shag some unattractive old bag for £120.

Its like asking on here would you like to clean toilets for a living and most won't be prepared to do it as we are already in a good position or we wouldn't have the money to punt.

Offline Jimmyredcab

At the end of the day they'll charge what they can get away with.

A girl that charges 500 notes for the hour may only see 2 or 3 clients a week so she'll be making 1000 to 1500 a week, she'd be mad to drop her rates if she's doing that.

If the average girl tried charging £500 an hour she would have a very dusty phone.

Offline Cuntminion

Hmmm I don't know reasoning why, but don't think poorly educated comes into it, the wg khloe genuinely seemed smart

Your not making them sit an exam but can usually pick up on how people converse and their level of intelligence

Education does not always equate to the opportunity available and being a wg I believe is no easy task

There's has to be reasoning behind it that only the wg will ever know

Offline Mr Farkyhars

don't think poorly educated comes into it, the wg khloe genuinely seemed smart

"Poorly educated" is not the same as 'stupid' - it boils down to 'lacks the certificates necessary to walk into a highly-paid job' which could be down to lack of opportunity as much as anything.
Other important factors are the 'floor' of living costs and the capacity to ignore work above a given number of hours in favour of other uses of a WG's time such as education or vacation. Both of those will tend to maintain or push up hourly punting costs and/or reduce total availability of a WG.