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Offline mattylondon

Perhaps you'd care to receive some 'dicktation' from the lady James? After all, she's said to give a 'cracking massage as well'!! No mention of discretion on there, so punters have been warned!! :P And I noticed that she left out the two negative reports of her on p'net!?  ;)
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 02:33:05 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Karin

There's a discrepancy in your ramblings James - it wasn't me who said she was lunching at 3, champagne or no champagne.

If any of you feel uncomfortable with the idea of your details being circulated should your behaviour give cause for consternation, I suggest you refrain from punting, as it's common practise, whether between girls who know each other personally, or in the Ladies Section of some forums.

As for Mossad agents  :rolleyes: - it's evident a better example would have been the client who was the reincarnation of a Native American Indian.......

Offline AnthG

If any of you feel uncomfortable with the idea of your details being circulated should your behaviour give cause for consternation

I believe the reason people have issues with it is that it has been shown that some escorts get 'consternation' about such the most minor of things.

He was 5 mins late, better put all his details up for everyone to see.

He booked three days in advance but never showed. Better put up all his details up

He gave me a negative review when I feel I did not deserve it, better put all his details up alongside a few lies to get revenge.

There are many posts I have saw about escorts posting serious personal fears about punters seemingly phoning up mins in advance getting their address details and then not showing up when those punters claim they are just down the road. And I agree that is very odd, creepy and frankly terrifying in the extreme them doing stuff like that. I know I would be freaked by that.

But please try and play devils advocate for a moment about how it feels for punters who likely have a livelihood to lose from it escorts doing similar to them. Which you all seem to do willy nilly.

Escorts see the top one of when it happens to a fellow escort as the lowest thing to do. But see the bottom scenario of it happening to punters of 'just accept it'.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 08:13:37 PM by AnthG »

Offline mattylondon

As for Mossad agents  :rolleyes: - it's evident a better example would have been the client who was the reincarnation of a Native American Indian.......

I think everybody was aware it was the other girl, but as you've already demonstrated a penchant for telling porkies and in the process making a fool of yourself, the gag actually worked better with you!  :sarcastic:

Perhaps it would've been better to show some humility and admit you were being plain stupid, making that Mossad and cops comment. In a punting situation, we'll put up with listening to the lies, as we've paid to fuck you. On here, don't get upset if people are going to pick you up on that sort of thing. Even if I was inclined to see you, which I'm not after looking at your negative feedback on P'net and your age, I wouldn't dream of booking anybody with so little discretion. I don't believe for a second you just swap info on 'dangerous punters', which would be understandable.  I look forward to seeing you include those neg P'net reports on your profile, for a more complete picture as an SP  :hi:
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 08:23:13 PM by mattylondon »

Offline mattylondon

I believe the reason people have issues with it is that it has been shown that some escorts get 'consternation' about such the most minor of things.
I suspect Anth that this SP's interpretation of 'dangerous' would not match other peoples. I'm sure that includes 'no shows', people with bad breath or hygiene, people she simply doesn't like and so on. I've read some of those forums. Seeing is believing. If Karin or her 'friends' encounter a dangerous punter, they should be calling the police, not posting crap on a forum because the guy will simply change his number. Therefore, not reporting it to the police would put other SP's in potential danger, would it not?

Fatpro$$ie

nfortunately it seems the norm nowadays to put up any punters number who may have even slightly irritated the wg in anyway.  A quick look at Saafe will show that.  There is a thread for dangerous punters and some girls post up full details on the silliest of things,  full number if he turned up and then walked as he must have just been prowling ready to come back later and rob her,  a no show who got her full address so must be a freak who is going to come back and stalk her etc etc etc.
It does belittle the whole reason for having a warning section at all.  I am all for sharing names, numbers and full description of anyone who has tried to rob, attack, force bareback etc on any girl but sharing a punters details for any other reason is to me a No go. 
I do however find it is mainly the very young new girls who do this as perhaps they dont know any better but for someone who is not a young teen to do so is inexcusable

Offline AnthG

I've read some of those forums. Seeing is believing.
Agree. I have read the Saafe warning section a few times and saw some stuff on there so totally dodgy and scary you think why on earth do girls even risk doing this job.

An example I remember off the top of my head was an Escort in my region going to an outcall appointment and on entering the building seeing the guy was on drugs and going psycho with paranoia so she locked herself in the bathroom overnight while was was wrecking the place. That should be there. And that guy should be chucked in prison.

But those legitimate warning posts are mixed in with about a 5-1 ratio of. He booked me twice but did not show. Here is his phone number, name, AW profile, facebook page and his home address girls.

The mods there claim to not allow it but its usually days after the stuff gets posted that they remove that wrongly posted stuff. They then say, "girls please take this seriously and post in the right format and only post serious stuff in here". But nobody listens to them and they keep doing it. Seemingly those escorts knowing the rules but ignoring them deliberately just to bad mouth the guys on purpose as revenge for standing them up. And its usually only one digit from his address and phone number the mods remove anyway.

Like any wife is going to see. T*M Robbi*s. 1** Sali**ry Dr**e. Telephone number 079723456**. And not twig on its her husband being discussed. (To clarify; this was just a made up example)

I look forward to seeing you include those neg P'net reports on your profile, for a more complete picture as an SP  :hi:
Personally for me I see nothing wrong with this. An escort is a business and there is nothing wrong with only posting glowing reviews on her own website. Its up to the punter to do the research.

There are barely any companies which allow negative reviews of themselves on their own website feedback sections.

If I saw an escort linking to negative reviews on her own website I would think it was a little off like she was saying she does not want peoples business.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 08:50:52 PM by AnthG »

Offline mattylondon

nfortunately it seems the norm nowadays to put up any punters number who may have even slightly irritated the wg in anyway.  A quick look at Saafe will show that.
Yes, I've read Saafe. Talk about certain woman feeling scorned?! Punters who are genuinely dangerous have every right to be exposed. I doubt any punter on here would argue otherwise. This site exposes bad SPs and there's no reason why other sites shouldn't do the same with scum bag punters. We all accept that prossies share info on punters and I know this first hand. Karin appears to have 'form' on making indiscrete statements/remarks, hence my scepticism as to her motive when she 'shares' her information on punters.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 09:06:02 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Karin

Karin appears to have 'form' on making indiscrete statements/remarks

Examples??

Offline mattylondon

Examples??

we tip each other off about no-shows and clients who are potentially dangerous etc.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=4851.25 - Sharing information on punters with no evidence of dangerous behaviour whatsoever. How can they be potentially dangerous if they didn't even show up?!  :dash:  You even admit some just didn't show, yet you traded information on them and no doubt spread shit about them. Why? Just because they turned you down? So you thought you'd bugger them up for somebody else. Perhaps they changed their mind, perhaps they messed you about and perhaps they just didn't like you!  :D


FYI James I've had a Mossad agent as a client.... - If true, which of course it isn't, showing that you can't be trusted to keep your mouth shut, posting something like that on a public forum, which is available for members and non members to see.

Is that enough for you Karin?  :hi:
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 09:28:45 PM by mattylondon »

Offline AnthG

How can they be potentially dangerous

Agree. Its a contradiction to say potentially dangerous. There is no such thing. They are either dangerous or not.

As a guide if you told 10 people what went on; both punter and escort, and they all agreed its dangerous. Its dangerous.

If you told 10 people; punters and escort and some of them said. Hang on one moment there, here is another possible take on this situation that you may have just misinterpreted. Its not dangerous.

You need to remember you are potentially ruining this guy by passing his info out and posting it on public forums. Use some kind of litmus test to it.

You can say we comment about Escorts. But all we do is comment on escorting names, and AW profiles.

At not time do we say. AW name DebbieDolittle is really Kerry Masterson of 21 Finchbury Drive Manchester. But it seems Escorts do that to punters all the time. (Made up name by the way)

Offline mattylondon

Examples??

Yet another example your 'discretion'. The fact that you didn't provide their names is irrelevant. A working girl with discretion doesn't mention the occupation of her punters, especially something sensitive such as law enforcement!  :dash: I wonder if their details have ended up on Saafe or traded with your 'friends'?

For those who raised points of law - yes, I am well aware of the situation.  Even though I live in a supposedly tolerant area, I try not to be complacent. (Btw, we've both had cops as clients  )
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=4851.100

Karin, please give up this particular line of argument ok? You're making a fool of yourself, not for the first time it seems and it's becoming embarrassing, quite frankly.  :hi::
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 09:52:36 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Karin

I said - " I know a few other local ladies who are friends; we tip each other off about no-shows and clients who are potentially dangerous etc"

This statement comprises TWO component parts - those that do not show, and those who are potentially dangerous. There is no implication that the the former displays any characteristics of the latter.

I did not say that I personally post these details online, but that they are shared between a small group of friends.

Fatpro$$ie

I dont agree with passing on numbers on no shows as there can be many reasons for it.  Also just because someone has decided not to show up for you does not mean they wont show up for someone else. 
A recent client is proof of that.  In my diary I always write down the last 3 digits of a phone number along with the time and length of booking, my friend saw it and said he wont turn up he has no showed her, he did show up and was lovely.  He actually said to me he had booked my friend but after thinking about it and the convo they had, he decided she was a bit too unfriendly for him and did not want to ring or text and get abuse so just did not turn up.
There are many reasons for a no show, his wife may have come home so he cant contact you, he may have had an accident, he may have stayed on at work or he may just have changed his mind so it is unfair to pass his details to anyone, friend or not. 
Saying that though I do agree on passing on details of anyone who may be potentially dangerous, those that insist on being the last booking of the day, those that insist you are completely alone, or those who questions just set your spidey senses off as well as those who have proven they are dangerous

Offline Karin

Yes. there are many reasons for it - that is why if someone 'no shows' on me, I may give them a second chance depending on several factors.  Sharing this info with friends is simply an extension of this - if they receive a call from the same number, they can still choose to accept the booking and all may be well.

Your phrase "set the spidey senses off", in my mind refers to those who may be potentially dangerous, or at the very least unsettling.  (But at this stage, there would be no evidence with which to go to the police.)

Online James999

Yes. there are many reasons for it - that is why if someone 'no shows' on me, I may give them a second chance depending on several factors.  Sharing this info with friends

It's all a load of bollocks really, just shows how bored some pro$$ies are that they have time to ring others to tell them they had a no show, probably makes them feel busier than they really are.

From a clients perspective it doesn't matter as if a guy decides to no show on the pro$$ie it's because he doesn't want to see her, so her blacklisting him is kinda pointless, but probably gives her some fucked up sense of achievement.

As for other pro$$ies turning him down, they may like to say that but in reality pro$$ies are loyal to the ££££ and not other pro$$ies, and many may distrust other pro$$ies who could simply falsly warn other pro$$ies in the area of say their better clients in a bid to retain them as clients and stop them wandering  :hi:

Offline mattylondon

As for other pro$$ies turning him down, they may like to say that but in reality pro$$ies are loyal to the ££££ and not other pro$$ies, and many may distrust other pro$$ies who could simply falsly warn other pro$$ies in the area of say their better clients in a bid to retain them as clients and stop them wandering  :hi:
I've found that to be 100% true in at least 5 cases. One funny example involved a punt I had in the Oval, London where I'd punted a girl a couple of times, then booked this girl who happened to be her best mate! Best thing of all was that she was using her mate's flat for a short time! The look on the original girls face was a sight to see and for some reason felt 'betrayed' by me and her mate?! A strange logic some prossies have. Apparently they shared info and had made some deal not to book the same punters? And the second girl was aware I'd seen her 'mate'.

Anyhow the first one then said she'd blacklist me and not see me again, so I think fair enough. Ignores a couple of my texts requesting a 30 minute booking. I send her one two weeks later, telling her I'm in a hotel and would like to see her for two hours. She says... "what time, I say "fuck off, as I've been put on your blacklist!"  :sarcastic:

Just goes to show.. the ££ will always rule principles with many first!   ;)
« Last Edit: January 15, 2012, 05:20:13 PM by mattylondon »

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It's all a load of bollocks really, just shows how bored some pro$$ies are that they have time to ring others to tell them they had a no show, probably makes them feel busier than they really are.

From a clients perspective it doesn't matter as if a guy decides to no show on the pro$$ie it's because he doesn't want to see her, so her blacklisting him is kinda pointless, but probably gives her some fucked up sense of achievement.

As for other pro$$ies turning him down, they may like to say that but in reality pro$$ies are loyal to the ££££ and not other pro$$ies, and many may distrust other pro$$ies who could simply falsly warn other pro$$ies in the area of say their better clients in a bid to retain them as clients and stop them wandering  :hi:

There are false warnings out there like this, I've had them myself however there are also serial cancellers/those who really mess girls about. An experienced WG will take the info and make her own mind up, sometimes that info will add to other things she's known about him, or fit in with behaviour shown in the lead up to a booking. There can come a point where all the evidence tallys up, and it's pretty obvious someone isn't serious about making any booking! Can prevent a lot of wasted time when the info is correct.

Online James999

Thats cool, timewasters desrve whatever they get, but I suspect a lot of it is bored pro$$ies talking it up  :hi:

Offline mattylondon

There are false warnings out there like this, I've had them myself however there are also serial cancellers/those who really mess girls about. An experienced WG will take the info and make her own mind up, sometimes that info will add to other things she's known about him, or fit in with behaviour shown in the lead up to a booking. There can come a point where all the evidence tallys up, and it's pretty obvious someone isn't serious about making any booking! Can prevent a lot of wasted time when the info is correct.
And I could provide you with examples in the past where some girls will even go to the length of creating a profile to rubbish another girl's feedback on AW or worse. And I had a case where a wg got another one to try and 'blacklist' me, whilst still wanting to see me! What went against her was my positive feedbacks and the fact that I followed this up with the other wg concerned, by talking to her. Honestly, when it comes to the £££s, some girls will do the strangest things.

Offline Karin

quote from: James999 on Today at 05:05:27 pm
It's all a load of bollocks really, just shows how bored some pro$$ies are that they have time to ring others to tell them they had a no show, probably makes them feel busier than they really are.

From a clients perspective it doesn't matter as if a guy decides to no show on the pro$$ie it's because he doesn't want to see her, so her blacklisting him is kinda pointless, but probably gives her some fucked up sense of achievement.

As for other pro$$ies turning him down, they may like to say that but in reality pro$$ies are loyal to the ££££ and not other pro$$ies, and many may distrust other pro$$ies who could simply falsly warn other pro$$ies in the area of say their better clients in a bid to retain them as clients and stop them wandering
 
There are false warnings out there like this, I've had them myself however there are also serial cancellers/those who really mess girls about. An experienced WG will take the info and make her own mind up, sometimes that info will add to other things she's known about him, or fit in with behaviour shown in the lead up to a booking. There can come a point where all the evidence tallys up, and it's pretty obvious someone isn't serious about making any booking! Can prevent a lot of wasted time when the info is correct.

I happen to trust my friends....if I am passed a number by one of them. and then that number rings me, I will use my judgement accordingly.  (Btw it takes all of five seconds to text a number.)

In my mind, attitudes described are pointless.  The guy has the money and he will choose who he wants to spend it on.  In one instance I know of, someone had obviously been trying to put off a punter seeing another lady by implying her area was dodgy.....the outcome - the punter still met her, and his estimation of the former lady was down the pan.  You shoot yourself in the foot bad mouthing another with no just cause.

Offline AnthG

In one instance I know of, someone had obviously been trying to put off a punter seeing another lady by implying her area was dodgy.....the outcome - the punter still met her, and his estimation of the former lady was down the pan.  You shoot yourself in the foot bad mouthing another with no just cause.
I know the point you are making. I was going to post similar.

But the example you have gave is a rather unique/unusual one. As many times its not really the girls fault or under her control if she lives in a dodgy area.

Its like this post I made here about Steele

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=5755.msg83783#msg83783

She is based in Walker which everyone in Newcastle knows is a dodgy area. And you can see from my post I was worried as she lived there she could be chavvy (which even though I am still concenred over. I apologise for if she ever reads this and that and takes offence).

But my saying she lives in a poor area does not mean she is automatically a bad SP which your example suggests. And furthermore when the punter saw this girl was good he immediately distrusted the person who warned him about the girls area. Why, when her warning was still correct? She never warned him about the quality of the girl. Just where she lives.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2012, 07:31:14 PM by AnthG »

Offline Karin

I know the point you are making. I was going to post similar.

But the example you have gave is a rather unique/unusual one. As many times its not really the girls fault or under her control if she lives in a dodgy area.

Its like this post I made here about Steele

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=5755.msg83783#msg83783

She is based in Walker which everyone in Newcastle knows is a dodgy area. And you can see from my post I was worried as she lived there she could be chavvy (which even though I am still concenred over. I apologise for if she ever reads this and that and takes offence).

But my saying she lives in a poor area does not mean she is automatically a bad SP which your example suggests. And furthermore when the punter saw this girl was good he immediately distrusted the person who warned him about the girls area. Why, when her warning was still correct? She never warned him about the quality of the girl. Just where she lives.

It's an area that ONCE had a bad rep, but which is now pretty muck OK...ironically it's also an area in which the first woman once worked herself.

Online James999

It's an area that ONCE had a bad rep, but which is now pretty muck OK...ironically it's also an area in which the first woman once worked herself.

What arera was it?

Offline AnthG

It's an area that ONCE had a bad rep, but which is now pretty muck OK...ironically it's also an area in which the first woman once worked herself.
(I am not disagreeing with you to be nasty, or to be argumentative, just trying to discuss this).

But personally I would say if an area once had a bad rep. It is still a dodgy area. Areas with dodgy reps will be council estates. So unless they bulldozed the area down and sold it all privately (never happens) it will still be dodgy.

There are a few areas that are synonymous with terrible areas in Newcastle which have been bulldozed down and rebuilt with new houses. But they are still council run and thus I would not walk through there at night.

Or there is Fenham & ShieldField which has a massive amount of students now. But when at uni I avoided Fenham like the plague.  (I can even remember in my flat share many years ago two of the people previously lived in Shieldfield a earlier year and were telling me they were constantly set upon and had stuff chucked at them on their way home from niights out).

So anyway point being I don't think this girl warning the punter was in the wrong. And the fact that she previously lived there means she will know. Just like my old flat mates knew about Shieldfield


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