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Author Topic: That Mums site and UKP on technology security  (Read 4390 times)

Offline raylondoner

The problem with a SIM card alone, assuming you don't buy a new one everytime, is that you can't lock it like a dedicated punting phone. So, if a SIM with incriminating information on it is found, you're busted!  :hi:

Offline willbred

(punterphernalia?) what a great word. OED are reprinting the next version to include this as we speak ( along with "punting phone"..."punting bag" and "munter"   :lol:
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Offline Mr Garmin

The problem with a SIM card alone, assuming you don't buy a new one everytime, is that you can't lock it like a dedicated punting phone. So, if a SIM with incriminating information on it is found, you're busted!  :hi:

Not true. You can lock the SIM so it can't be used. I do this on my normal phone so if it is stolen or lost the SIM can't just be swapped into another phone and calls racked up. Everybody should be doing this and not just with a punting phone.

Offline smiths

The problem with a SIM card alone, assuming you don't buy a new one everytime, is that you can't lock it like a dedicated punting phone. So, if a SIM with incriminating information on it is found, you're busted!  :hi:

Apart from what Mr Garmin above has posted which I am not aware of, if your smart you don't leave incriminating info on the sim, its not rocket science Ray.

Offline cueball

Another good thread to keep us attached lads on the ball. I too have a punting phone, I don't change sims. I hide it very well but I've got a cover story drummed in ready for nightmare scenario.

The punting phone I have is the only connection, numbers, postcodes, details and addresses live on aw in her notes section in the hotlist. I have a variety of hotlists from quarantine to punted.

All history of aw and here are deleted completely after every session.

Me and Mrs cueball do have a privacy thing though (she stays out of my phone and wallet and I stay out of her handbag and phone), I'd be livid if I found her going through my normal phone and she would be too if I went through hers

Offline raylondoner

Apart from what Mr Garmin above has posted which I am not aware of, if your smart you don't leave incriminating info on the sim, its not rocket science Ray.

Agreed Smiths, but not all punters are as intelligent as you!  :dance:

All good info. Wipe phones, keep everything hidden, cover stories in place etc. And never get complacent!

tcm

Offline smiths

Agreed Smiths, but not all punters are as intelligent as you!  :dance:

I am not particularly smart Ray, its just basic common sense to me. From speaking to many WGs over the years they have said many punters don't use punting phones and even email using their work addresses so there are some that either don't care or aren't smart enough to be more careful.

Offline smiths

All good info. Wipe phones, keep everything hidden, cover stories in place etc. And never get complacent!

tcm

Yes not getting complacent is the key in my view.

hello people, im a very ocasional punter ,  concerning security my suggestions are. dont use any smart phone, to much tracking etc.  use and old phone easily erased, reason for having one,  just incase new modern thingy breaks / goes flat. keep passwords in your head, good idea a new sim eveytime. set browser on pc to erase on shut down, install a good cleaner  cclean etc,  set to high rate of clean. as the politcions say       plausable deniability.

Offline smiths

hello people, im a very ocasional punter ,  concerning security my suggestions are. dont use any smart phone, to much tracking etc.  use and old phone easily erased, reason for having one,  just incase new modern thingy breaks / goes flat. keep passwords in your head, good idea a new sim eveytime. set browser on pc to erase on shut down, install a good cleaner  cclean etc,  set to high rate of clean. as the politcions say       plausable deniability.

All good tips and posted on here many times before, but the more the merrier as new punters are joining all the time. I think changing the sim after each punt is over the top personally, but that's of course up to you and other punters who do so.

Online Lilywhite

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As a woman, never ever fully trust the 'agreements' you have with your partner. Just in case. We are an extremely sneaky bunch when we suspect, and all the rules go out of the window when it comes to suspicion.

Offline cueball

As a woman, never ever fully trust the 'agreements' you have with your partner. Just in case. We are an extremely sneaky bunch when we suspect, and all the rules go out of the window when it comes to suspicion.

Ha ha, why do you think I go to the lengths I go to, your a bloody sneaky bunch

Offline Loki

That's why a punting phone is a 100% necessity. I left my phone on the table whilst I had a shower yesterday and when I came back she had checked my facebook/twitter private messages as well as email trying to catch me out. My phone is an old phone that has been in the phone forever and it is also an old sim which is kept separate.

why would you put up with that sort of behaviour?

Punter

Smartphones have great potential, with hidden apps and number burners. I've even considered ditching the punting phone altogether. However, you need to know them inside and out because they will fuck you over.

I am fairly tech savvy, but am constantly surprised at the new ways this dirty snitch in my pocket tries to ruin me.

It's reasonable common knowledge that an iPhone records the places you've been, simply by being with you and turned on.

Recently I discovered that if you download something onto your iPhone, delete it on your iPhone, and connect to your laptop at a later date it will back up your deleted file! And this includes texts and call logs. The folder is not hard to find, but there are a lot of files in there. It might be time consuming for somebody to go through it all, but it's right there. About three clicks away.

Punter

why would you put up with that sort of behaviour?

Let's not get on high horses.

At the end of the day we're fucking prostitutes. She might be looking through your phone. Which is the greater evil?

Offline Loki

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Let's not get on high horses.

At the end of the day we're fucking prostitutes. She might be looking through your phone. Which is the greater evil?

Im not not on any high horse, I was just asking a question why anyone would want that sort of thing in their life.

in any relationship you are entitled to privacy. doesn't matter if you're 'fucking prostitutes', which I agree is wrong too... but that doesn't give someone the right to invade your privacy and sneak about whilst you're in a shower.

what if he was buying her a secret birthday gift FFS... simple things rather than being caught for doing something wrong.  ;)

2 wrongs don't make a right as they say.

I've got previous (not WG's) so it's par for the course.
Loki he does say that he has previous so it is quite understandable that his missus will be keeping an eye on him. In fact if he starts getting secretive with his phone then that would be enough to arouse suspicion. In this situation you've got to be one step ahead all the time.  :hi:

Offline Loki

yeah I agree with that, can never be too careful.

I'm thankfully single, but still have an old ropey punting phone kept in a box of old junk and wipe my iPad history due to the 'death scenario' mentioned previously.

 :thumbsup:

Offline spkmstr48

Loki he does say that he has previous so it is quite understandable that his missus will be keeping an eye on him. In fact if he starts getting secretive with his phone then that would be enough to arouse suspicion. In this situation you've got to be one step ahead all the time.  :hi:

Being clever is key, I leave my "clean" phone lying around on purpose. I also buy my OH's phones for her and make sure she's always on a different OS so she's never very familiar with my phones.

The tech savvy daughter is a bigger problem.

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:
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Offline cueball

Being clever is key, I leave my "clean" phone lying around on purpose. I also buy my OH's phones for her and make sure she's always on a different OS so she's never very familiar with my phones.

The tech savvy daughter is a bigger problem.

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Aaahh yes, the double bluff method, I too am lazy with my clean phone, I leave it with her, in view, I forget it, I forget to switch it on. As she says "you're bloody useless with a mobile phone"

Yes dear

Offline LL

(punterphernalia?) what a great word. OED are reprinting the next version to include this as we speak ( along with "punting phone"..."punting bag" and "munter"   :lol:
Thanks - you can have that one - I've got lots more.  :hi:

Online Marmalade

A punting phone makes sense, a new SIM for every punt is bordering on paranoia.    :crazy:

As a general rule that's spot on in my opinion.  :hi:

But the test of any rule (which I think helps to prove its truth) is to say when could it not apply. Hence circumstances. It's easy to devise scenarios. Sufficient protection technology on a single phone could in theory be sufficient for some people but a lot of hassle. Merely having a second phone might arouse unnecessary suspicion in some situations.)

If you were punting in America, you need to keep things private from the authorities rather thsn just a wife. No phone at all sometimes works well there. Last time there I just did my research first, none of it incriminating, then used non-tech punting. Excellent result.

In the UK I use a punting phone. But it also has drawbacks which I compensate for. I'm not going to spend £900 on a punting phone, and anyway high tech phones are more of a liability because of the software, which requires a lot of effort to make use secure. But my cheap shit punting phone is fuck all use for fast, detailed research. I also limit what is actually on it and clean it out regularly if my circumstances change.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2015, 05:07:26 PM by Marmalade »

A punting phone makes sense, a new SIM for every punt is bordering on paranoia.    :crazy:

A spare phone I can explain if asked - its simply a backup in case I leave mine at home when going away on a business trip.
A spare sim card with partially used credit, thats not so easy and it also means I have zero chance of receiving any messages/phone calls whilst not punting.

I also had a close escape once with a sim card that somehow freed itself from its hiding place in my laptop bag.

Has the added advantage of making spur of the moment punts less likely :)

Punter

A spare phone I can explain if asked - its simply a backup in case I leave mine at home when going away on a business trip.
A spare sim card with partially used credit, thats not so easy and it also means I have zero chance of receiving any messages/phone calls whilst not punting.

I also had a close escape once with a sim card that somehow freed itself from its hiding place in my laptop bag.

Has the added advantage of making spur of the moment punts less likely :)

I can definitely see the appeal.

I think it depends on your punting, of course. Those amongst us who punt several times a week would find this system expensive.

But, if you punt infrequently, is an extra tenner per punt really that big a deal? It also means prossies can't tie you to a particular number and, as you say, it makes spur of the moment punts less likely.

It's definitely a strategy that is worth thinking about and, if it works for you, then great. It may be over cautious, but the consequences of a partner finding out about your punting can be catastrophic so I think it's best to err on the side of over caution.


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