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Offline Dani

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which is why AW deliberately made it as difficult as it could for copying to be done.

You are joking right?  It is so easy to copy photos and AW even warn girls that they have no way of protecting the photos and not to post any that they don't want to end up in other places on the internet.  AWs photo security is laughable at best.  They dont even try.  disabling right click is not the only way to protect photos however it is the only way they use


As for copyright as long as you are only posting a link to the photo and not embedding the photo on here or any other public forum then there is not an issue.  You cant use the actual photo but you can link to it.

However I fully agree not to show face photos if they are not on open display nor do I agree with facebook photos being put up as they are nothing to do with this job unless it is a work FB profile.  However if you have face photos in your PG they are likely to end up being viewed somewhere online so if you really don't want anyone to put your face photo anywhere don't have it in your private gallery as anyone can pay to see it and copy it and put it where ever they choose. 

Gordo987

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So let's all make sure they get bitten then, eh?
And let's discourage them from putting up photos in case they get published on here.


I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic in this statement. Why would prostitutes be 'discouraged' if their photographs get posted on a site for punters? I would have thought that the chance for some free publicity would be welcome, especially when the viewers of the photos are a bunch of randy blokes like us.  :unknown:

yorkshire123

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You simply don`t get it, do you?  She is not SELLING her pics, she is giving him, for a small payment, a limited (in time) licence to INSPECT the pics - no more than that - just as a cinema gives a licence to watch the film, or a football club to watch the match, and AW makes it quite clear that the pics are NOT to be copied or reproduced.  She is certainly not giving him the right to post copies all over the  nternet If you want to reduce it to legal terms it`s a matter of copyright, and to go on and copy the pics and reproduce them elsewhere is simple theft of copyright just as the copying and pirating of films or music is theft of copyright.

Copyright  :lol:

We are talking about AW & prossie's not the next Hollywood blockbuster.
Anyhow if they threaten to sue admin I'm sure west8's legal team will step in & help us out.

Gordo987

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I won't be posting pg pictures, not from any feelings of protection of the prossies privacy but because I won't pay to open their bloody galleries.

+1 - at least for the vast majority of them.

Loverat

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I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic in this statement. Why would prostitutes be 'discouraged' if their photographs get posted on a site for punters? I would have thought that the chance for some free publicity would be welcome, especially when the viewers of the photos are a bunch of randy blokes like us.  :unknown:

You cannot guarantee that the motive for posting a pic would be benign. You can absolutely guarantee that some of the comments would be anything but.

JV547845

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I don't think posting face pics from the PGs is right.  It's too close to outing them.  Just my opinion, so whatever.

At the end of the day if you lot want to go ahead and spoil it for everyone, all that will happen is that hardly any WG will upload face pics in future.  A lot more now are already starting to blur them. 

Gordo987

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You cannot guarantee that the motive for posting a pic would be benign. You can absolutely guarantee that some of the comments would be anything but.

And why should that be an issue? There are threads on UKP about the worst photos on AW as well as the best arses and the best tits. If I think a prostitute is an ugly looking slag I shall say so, and that's not against the rules on this site. The only considerations that relate to benignity or otherwise are those that concern punters getting what they pay for.  :thumbsdown:

OldAdmin

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You simply don`t get it, do you?  She is not SELLING her pics, she is giving him, for a small payment, a limited (in time) licence to INSPECT the pics - no more than that - just as a cinema gives a licence to watch the film, or a football club to watch the match, and AW makes it quite clear that the pics are NOT to be copied or reproduced.  She is certainly not giving him the right to post copies all over the  nternet If you want to reduce it to legal terms it`s a matter of copyright, and to go on and copy the pics and reproduce them elsewhere is simple theft of copyright just as the copying and pirating of films or music is theft of copyright.

No you're the one who doesn't get it. I suggest you re-read before constantly repeating about terms of use and copyright.

Offline cueball

I'm probably way of the mark but doesn't selling the picture cancel copyright?

Gordo987

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I don't think posting face pics from the PGs is right.  It's too close to outing them.  Just my opinion, so whatever.

At the end of the day if you lot want to go ahead and spoil it for everyone, all that will happen is that hardly any WG will upload face pics in future.  A lot more now are already starting to blur them.

This is very close to complete bollocks. FFS think about it. Whats the difference between having a face pic on AW and having the same fact pic on UKP?  :wacko:

Offline Corus Boy


As for copyright as long as you are only posting a link to the photo and not embedding the photo on here or any other public forum then there is not an issue.  You cant use the actual photo but you can link to it.


A small minefield there Dani and I believe there has been a court precedent supporting the case to prevent linking or deeplinking.

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OldAdmin

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As for copyright as long as you are only posting a link to the photo and not embedding the photo on here or any other public forum then there is not an issue.

Embedding (aka hotlinking) doesn't always count as copyright infringement (depending on the source) because no copying is involved. The browser is directed to another URL to fetch the content.
In the same way that embedding a YouTube video (via iframe) is not copyright infringement.

Offline XTC2

It's a pretty clear breach of copyright in fact, "deep-linking" as mentioned in this thread already, particularly as it's being done to avoid a paywall. The chances of any one prozzie suing are probably minimal, but it's up to Admin to decide if that's a risk they really want, and also if they want to set a president that illegal activity of that kind is allowed here.

I've no idea if prozzies would be bothered or not, but I've had some of my work stolen and used elsewhere without my permission. I was not pleased and took appropriate steps, even though it cost me more to do so, as a matter of principal.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2015, 05:08:28 pm by XTC2 »

James999

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I don't think posting face pics from the PGs is right.  It's too close to outing them.

Bollocks, she put the pictures in the public domain, the only reason she will be pissed is that people will see the images without her getting additional money for them  :hi:

JV547845

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This is very close to complete bollocks. FFS think about it. Whats the difference between having a face pic on AW and having the same fact pic on UKP?  :wacko:

There's a huge difference to them, and if you want to see face pics in future from non EE WGs or the few that aren't bothered like Dani, that's all that matters.  I punt with a lot of mums.  They tell me if they ever get recognised, they can always say, `well your husband paid a prostitution website to see my photo'. 

Admin can do what he wants but I think the forum should be for the long term benefit of real punters, not wannabees who just want a cheap wank.

Gordo987

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There's a huge difference to them, and if you want to see face pics in future from non EE WGs or the few that aren't bothered like Dani, that's all that matters.  I punt with a lot of mums.  They tell me if they ever get recognised, they can always say, `well your husband paid a prostitution website to see my photo'. 

Admin can do what he wants but I think the forum should be for the long term benefit of real punters, not wannabees who just want a cheap wank.

And that 'huge difference' is ????????????????

The only difference I can see is that UKP members are a special interest group of regular users of the sex trade, while AW probably has a lot more casual browsers. Your last sentence, by the way, makes no sense at all. Lets say you went to a massage parlour and found that the girl you had booked (without seeing her face) was your neighbours wife? Would you tell her husband? Would she tell your wife? Daft! :crazy:


Offline Happylad

No you're the one who doesn't get it. I suggest you re-read before constantly repeating about terms of use and copyright.

Well, it`s your site, so if you won`t listen then that`s your prerogative

James999

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I punt with a lot of mums.  They tell me if they ever get recognised, they can always say, `well your husband paid a prostitution website to see my photo'. 

Really, could you perhaps link a couple of these profiles as I've NEVER heard that comment from a pro$$ie before  :music:

Reality is pro$$ies just want cash and if someone shares a picture of them the only part they get pissed off about is not getting paid again.

James999

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Well, it`s your site, so if you won`t listen then that`s your prerogative

Perhaps he thinks you're full of shit  :unknown:

Why not start your own punting site and show him how it's done  :sarcastic:

Gordo987

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Really, could you perhaps link a couple of these profiles as I've NEVER heard that comment from a pro$$ie before  :music:

Reality is pro$$ies just want cash and if someone shares a picture of them the only part they get pissed off about is not getting paid again.

True James, and I can't imagine many of them objecting at all if you said you were going to show their photograph to a bunch of randy sods like us. Why would they? :unknown:

Gordo987

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Perhaps he thinks you're full of shit  :unknown:

Why not start your own punting site and show him how it's done  :sarcastic:

I think that someone has missed out the "12 year old" that should go between the p and the y. :cool:

JuliusSeizure

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If you sub to a girls private gallery and copy pics, don't post them on here out in the open as it may discourage all of them from putting face pics on there profiles altogether. Although I think PMing face pics is fine as it is usually because someone has asked for her specifically showing interest and is not out in the open for anyone to see, specifically the hundreds of lurkers who lack contribution to the site.

Offline Happylad

Perhaps he thinks you're full of shit  :unknown:

Why not start your own punting site and show him how it's done  :sarcastic:

So YOU just thought you might as well turn up and do a bit of toadying and arse creeping to keep in with the management

Loverat

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I think that someone has missed out the "12 year old" that should go between the p and the y. :cool:

I think you are accusing the wrong person of being 12 years old and I suggest you look in the mirror.
It's noticeable that any cogent adult reason for not doing it is met with abuse. The only reasons put forward for doing it amount,in essence, to 'because we can'.

James999

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So YOU just thought you might as well turn up and do a bit of toadying and arse creeping to keep in with the management

Just pointing out the facts, so your site?

Offline Steve2

So let's all make sure they get bitten then, eh?
And let's discourage them from putting up photos in case they get published on here.

Thier choice. Not just on Adultwork but anywhere. IF they choose to put pictures/ films/personal details on the Internet then those pics can and often will be available to view on numerous sites

I could suggest another site where you might find your views welcome but I don't think they will be on here

Offline AnthG

If you sub to a girls private gallery and copy pics, don't post them on here out in the open as it may discourage all of them from putting face pics on there profiles altogether. Although I think PMing face pics is fine as it is usually because someone has asked for her specifically showing interest and is not out in the open for anyone to see, specifically the hundreds of lurkers who lack contribution to the site.

This is my belief entirely too ^ I am someone who really wishes WGs would put a face pic on thier PG as it means the guy down the street, or guy they work with will never see it, only potential customers will.

I do however support the stance that if there was a punting forum with hidden sections from the public (so offtopic here). Then again ok to post them there as only punters and thus prospective customers will see it. Same goes with PM. She has put her face in the PG to entice punters to want to see her after all and that is what pics sent via PM will achieve

This is my stance.
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Offline Dani

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The point is by having photos on the internet be it in a free gallery or a paid for one there is a large likely hood that those photos will not stay on just that site.
For a start there are many sites that advertise prossies and because they are new and have no one paying to advertise they steal our photos from AW to make them look busy.  I know I google my work name and often find myself and photos from my PG on sites I know I have not put myself on.  All we can do is ask the host company to get them removed.  some will and some wont.  No pont asking the site as they wont.
We all know that any photo or video is at risk of ending up in all sorts of places even if it is in a PG. 
It doesn't mean it is right to copy the photos and paste them anywhere at all but we know the risks and the benefits outweigh the risks or we wouldn't put any on there at all. 
As for the face photo if it is in your Pg all you are saying is I don't mind showing my face but you have to pay to see it.  If you don't want your face online don't put it up anywhere.  A PG wont stop someone if they think they know you as they will buy it to see if it is you.  So hiding your face in a PG has no benefit at all except for getting money for it.

If you thought you recognised a prossie and were the type to want to out her to family and friends then up to £2 for a PG isn't going to stop you from doing so.

JV547845

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Really, could you perhaps link a couple of these profiles as I've NEVER heard that comment from a pro$$ie before  :music:

You've also never reviewed a prostitute before.

James999

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So pro$$ies didn't say that to you then, you just made it up to reinforce your claim  :unknown:

Changing the subject won't detract from it  :hi:
« Last Edit: February 22, 2015, 07:51:53 pm by James999 »

JV547845

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It's not the most outlandish claim of the century for them to reply that when I asked if they were worried about being recognised online.  Get working on those reviews.

James999

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It's not the most outlandish claim of the century

So why the need to make up pro$$ies to back up your claim  :sarcastic:

Gordo987

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I think you are accusing the wrong person of being 12 years old and I suggest you look in the mirror.
It's noticeable that any cogent adult reason for not doing it is met with abuse. The only reasons put forward for doing it amount,in essence, to 'because we can'.

Ooooh, bitch slapped!! When I look in the mirror I put a bag over my head because I don't want to be recognized. So far, I've seen nothing remotely cogent sweetheart, certainly not from you.  :thumbsdown:

Offline Jimmyredcab

If a girl or anyone else doesn't want them shared, then they should not put them on the internet full stop. Anything on the internet is likely to come back and bite you at some point in the future

It hurts me to say this but ----- you are 100% correct.      :hi:

JV547845

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So why the need to make up pro$$ies to back up your claim  :sarcastic:

I don't want them linking me and my UKP profile, and the point is so blatantly obvious to anyone who actually punts and pays for private galleries (they often don't have face pics in, take a hint) I don't need to back it up with what is just hear say anyway. 

We already know Brittney blurred her face pics when she was still working.  I've not seen her but Louise in Plymouth has on her profile that her photos nicked.  External Link/Members Only

west8

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I've booked several girls solely on the strength of a single picture posted here on UKP by another punter.

I've not been disappointed yet and would in all likelihood never have booked the girl (or indeed even known about her) were it not for said pictures.

Gordo987

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I've booked several girls solely on the strength of a single picture posted here on UKP by another punter.

I've not been disappointed yet and would in all likelihood never have booked the girl (or indeed even known about her) were it not for said pictures.

Its the old rules of marketing - it pays to advertise and there's no such thing as bad publicity. :thumbsup:

Offline Steve2

It hurts me to say this but ----- you are 100% correct.      :hi:

It hurts me too Jimbo but "Thank you"

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

LL

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It hurts me too Jimbo but "Thank you"

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:
Just when I thought this thread had run its course and wasn't useful any more.
That's made my day!

Gordo987

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Glad to have been of assistance - Sunday was a crap day and it livened up the Board for a while :hi:

Dave2014

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I am not going to address the copyright/copying/linking/embedding/terms of service issues at all.

But what I will say is this:

The fact that 'face pics' on AW are in something called a 'private gallery' is incredibly misleading. Why? Because the prostitute has no intention whatsoever that such 'face pics' remain private. If each of the seven billion people on this wretched planet were stupid enough to pay an average looking AW prostitute to see her 'face pics' then she would be ecstatic for each and every person in the world to see them.

The gateway to seeing her 'face pics' is not in any sense underpinned by a promise of 'privacy' it is simply in exchange for paying her. 'Face pics' in an AW 'private gallery' are not private at all, they are public with a precondition of payment. It is that simple. So drop the privacy/discretion arguments. This is about money and nothing else. If a prostitute puts 'face pics' in a 'private [public for cash] gallery' then she has accepted that they are for consumption by the public (albeit, on her terms, for cash).

PompeyChap

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The few times that I've paid for a PG I've always saved the images and stored them somewhere, seems a tad silly to essentially rent picture for a day.

As for posting on the forums? I don't see the reason it's needed unless it's a PG scam or the escort in question has stolen/cheated someone. If enough WGs get annoyed about it they might start taking pictures of punters and posting them on places like SAAFE.  As for it not being right, it's bullshit. These girls are full aware that they have put their face pictures on the internet and are allowing people to see them for money. If they don't want their faces being shown, they shouldn't put up face pictures.


Tony Montana

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I think it is justified if the girl is an utter BOBFOC or if just a few pics are shown to illustrate a particular point.

JuliusSeizure

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Quote from: fluffyredcab on February 22, 2015, 03:20:35 pm
Princess .....

 :vomit: :vomit:

Considering his stance in the fluffy cunts thread last week that one made me laugh when I saw it  :lol:

Offline tantric talents

If wg's really want to attract punters for escorting, should they not logically post a few of their best photos on the front page?

I have certainly stopped wasting money viewing PG's

However I all too frequently find hot looking aw girls who have ticked the escorting box, yet never post a phone number and never reply to emails. What a surprise that they also have a very overpriced PG! As they are deceitful regarding their services offered I would certainly feel no guilt seeing their private photos exposed.
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