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Offline smiths

So to the people who say OWO is a MUST, is this because it doesn't feel good wih a condom, or its just.... abit better without? In your opinion.

I always wondered what was the point in them making (some) condoms flavoured if no one really used them for that hah.

And I believe you, Alexandra both for the reason you stopped offering it and about it being personal choice. With escorts, who are not street girls, it seems to me completley a choice. No one is there forcing you. Otherwise you'd get more men becomg male escorts and saying they have to because theres no other jobs, right? haha.

And as for aids, I know that is the most dangerous, and a big reasons why BB is considered more unsafe. But I was refering to any STI.

I would rather have a wank than OW, it literally does nothing for me and is a turn-off. I have absolutely no problem with a WG that doesnt offer OWO, thats up to her but she wont get my business. ;)

Offline philuk1uk

I would rather have a wank than OW, it literally does nothing for me and is a turn-off. I have absolutely no problem with a WG that doesnt offer OWO, thats up to her but she wont get my business. ;)

I like OWO as much as anyone but if a girl doesn't do it fine, that will just mean we'll move on to something else, as like you, oral with does little for me, so I think i'd just be fucking a lot more than I would in a booking with a girl who does OWO.

Offline cunnyhunt

No OWO means no punt for me.

I have walked when OWO is given over phone but only OW is offered when in the door.

Offline smiths

I like OWO as much as anyone but if a girl doesn't do it fine, that will just mean we'll move on to something else, as like you, oral with does little for me, so I think i'd just be fucking a lot more than I would in a booking with a girl who does OWO.

I wouldnt be able or that interested in fucking for longer than i do now though. :D ;)

Offline philuk1uk

I wouldnt be able or that interested in fucking for longer than i do now though. :D ;)

Thats a fair enough answer!

Offline Fatbrian

I buy into the ethos of ukpunting and like its honesty and the fact that it is viewing punting from he punters perspective.

I am going to stand up for Galsgow girl in this instance though. We were/are having a discussion about the use of mouthwash after OWO. This came from Strawberry saying she'd had a punter who told her he got an STI from OWO.

I don't know whether GG is right or not, and  I am going to look up info on it later. She might well be right, but that is the point of debate. I might well be right, lets see what the evidence says.

What is out of order is just giving her abuse though. She was wrong about Hydrochloric acid as  I can't see what that has  to do with TCP ( which is phenol based) however that doe not mean that she is wrong.

Just as  it is suggested the  on auto-censored the prozzies are allowed to insult and have a go at punters. Is ukpunting there to allow the same in reverse?

I like the honesty and exposure of scam artists and ukp is really good for that and those girls deserve all the flack they get on here, definitely. But just slagging off  a prozzie because well she is a prozzie? 

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 Back later to see if mouthwash does increase or decrease the chance of infections.



What a load of crap you spout!  :lol:

Quote where on this thread I've even mentioned BBBJ vs OW?? Oh wait a minute, I didn't  :wacko:.

All I commented on was the use of mouthwash in increasing the likelihood of tiny cuts in the mouth. Nothing to do with OW vs OWO. The same advice re not brushing teeth or using mouthwash before and after is given by NHS/health professionals whether Oral is performed without a condom or not (in case the condom falls off, to be on safe side), but is obviously more relevant in the case of OWO.

Offline Strawberry

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I'd heard that mouthwash can be abrasive on gums, partly because of the alcohol content. There are however plenty of alcohol-free mouthwashes out there, and these are a lot gentler on the soft-tissues and membranes in the mouth cavity.


Offline SteveNova

It is also the case that saliva contains anti-bacterial agents, helping to protect the body form all kinds of nasties coming in through the mouth.  Nothing is 100% safe but a healthy body does a remarkable job of fighting infection.  It means that bacteria not native to the mouth or throat does not tend to survive.  So mouthwash after OWO may not be necessary.   

Offline 1234

It is also the case that saliva contains anti-bacterial agents, helping to protect the body form all kinds of nasties coming in through the mouth.  Nothing is 100% safe but a healthy body does a remarkable job of fighting infection.  It means that bacteria not native to the mouth or throat does not tend to survive.  So mouthwash after OWO may not be necessary.

They're not secret agents though  :drinks:

Mmmmm...this got me thinking....the next lass I see I am gonna ask her to stick her tongue all the way up my arse and tickle mi thyroid.


Should be safe enough.



Offline Fatbrian

They're not secret agents though  :drinks:

Mmmmm...this got me thinking....the next lass I see I am gonna ask her to stick her tongue all the way up my arse and tickle mi thyroid.


Should be safe enough.

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Offline Fatbrian

taking a look at info out there, not much either way as to whether a mouth wash would be beneficial or harmful when having unprotected oral sex.

found this

"Don’t floss, brush your teeth, or do anything that would create abrasions or cuts in your mouth before performing oral sex. Use mouthwash or a breath mint instead"

http://www.thewellproject.org/en_US/HIV_The_Basics/Oral_Sex_Whats_the_Real_Risk.jsp

I'll keep looking but  I cannot see  how alcohol or anti-septic  based mouthwashes would be causing damage to mouth. The stinging sensation you feel when you apply tcp to a cup or any antiseptic is the nerves endings being stimulated and not actual chemical burns etc. Diluted TCP is recommended for fighting mouth infections.

I'll keep looking...

Offline Strawberry

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There was something in the news years ago linking the alcohol in mouthwash to oral cancer, but the research into this has had mixed results.

Offline Fatbrian

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/insite?page=pr-rr-05

ok so it is a confrence on HIV/AIDS  and says either way oral  sex ( giving a nosh) is extremely low risk. not  no risk but low risk. If we  extrapolate that out to include other infections ( dodgy as  there is no evidence to support that), to answer the original question that bareback oral/owo is very accepted in the paid sex scene as the chances of infection are very very low. This is  not the case with full penetrative sex, where the risk is massively higher. Thats why  Bareback shagging is frowned upon and generally avoided in the paid sex scene.

the side issue of mouthwash helping or hindering safety with oral sex, well can't any real evidence either way. the upshot is though any mouth cuts massively increase the risk of disease being transmitted through  OWO.

Reading that back, fuck me  I come across as  a boring fucker!  helps with punting though.

Offline sacredrealm

So basically OWO is alot safer then BB in terms of all possible "diseases"?

It still makes me wonder why some would not offer it but offer it with a condom though, if it is safe. Or can we not say for sure, it IS safe! haha. And therefore they just dont wnt to run any risk.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2011, 04:50:59 PM by sacredrealm »

Offline Fatbrian

So basically OWO is alot safer then BB in terms of all possible "diseases"?

It still makes me wonder why some would not offer it but offer it with a condom though, if it is safe. Or can we not say for sure, it IS safe! haha. And therefore they just dont wnt to run any risk.

My reading of it, is there is a risk, it is just a very low risk. it seems that in the case of HIV it is the pre-cum that seemed the most contagious part of the ejaculate.

Offline SteveNova

They're not secret agents though  :drinks:

Mmmmm...this got me thinking....the next lass I see I am gonna ask her to stick her tongue all the way up my arse and tickle mi thyroid.


Should be safe enough.
Was that comment tongue in cheek or tongue in arse   :D

Offline GlasgowGirl

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I never said hydrochloric acid is in TCP lol, despite being like Kiwi says, "Just another mouthy  " know-it-all " hooker"  :sarcastic:  I said this -

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Undiluted TCP would be perhaps the WORST THING to use as like with the mouthwash (except it's stronger - I once dropped a case of it at work once, it smashed, and shit that stuff is strong!!!), aside from bloody hydrochloric acid!  it could cause irritation and small bleeds

As for the mouthwash debate, it's not mouthwash specifically, it's anything which could cause tiny abrasions - brushing, flossing, interdental brushes, toothpicks, anything like that. Antiseptics or alcohol-based products will aggravate any tiny cuts already there, and if you have really sensitive gums, it could even cause them.

Re - Mouthwash -

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14. Can mouthwashes influence the risk of transmission?5
It should be noted that the use of mouthwashes prior to, or after oral sex as a risk reduction strategy
could compromise rather than increase protection by reducing the levels of protective substances
normally found in the mouth
- ie it strips the mouth of it's own protective lining and therefore aggrevates,causes or increases the risk of small cuts or abrasions in the mouth.


Report of a Working Group of the UK Chief Medical
Officers’ Expert Advisory Group on AIDS- http://www.hiv.ch/rubriken/epidx/transmis/oralsexdocfin.pdf


Offline GlasgowGirl

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So basically OWO is alot safer then BB in terms of all possible "diseases"?

It still makes me wonder why some would not offer it but offer it with a condom though, if it is safe. Or can we not say for sure, it IS safe! haha. And therefore they just dont wnt to run any risk.

Like everything else in life, it's a pleasure vs risk thing.

The most dangerous is blood play, followed by BB anal, followed by BB vaginal, followed by OWO+CIM, followed by OWO no CIM and then pretty much nil risk for normal kissing or touching. Obviously the more vigorous the sex, the higher the risk. The receptive partner (in punting, this is the woman) is always at more risk than the 'insertive' partner.

A person's general health is also of HUGE importance here. Anyone with underlying diseases such as diabetes, hepatitis etc or general poor health caused by anything from a common virus to a drug addiction, are more at risk. But just because you are healthy does not mean you are not at risk. 

The above applies to all STIs. HIV is actually a pretty fragile virus which pretty much dies instantly outwith the right conditions so it's actually not that easily transmitted,but it's obviously the one most people are most worried about considering it's incurable.

Other common problems are Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, and Genital Herpes type 1 or 2. All of these are much, much more easily transmitted than HIV but obviously less long-term implications (easily treated with antibiotics), although still nasty. Gonorrhea in the throat is becoming more prevalent and harder to treat (but still treatable). Obviously an escort offering OWO is going to be at a much higher risk of getting gonorrhea in the throat due to the number of oral sex partners compared with a non-escort and could transmit it to a punter via OWO. It's worth bearing in mind for those married/attached punters, that a case of STI can have devastating consequences for the relationship and in the case of chlamydia, potentially destroying fertility in his partner and also harmful to newborn babies causing blindness.

Genital Herpes is something not usually mentioned much (wonder why lol  :D), but is very common, especially in North America. You get the virus from genital-genital contact or mouth-to-genital contact and it stays in your system forever. You can never get rid of it, you can get outbreaks frequently or only once, but it stays in your system forever. The good news is that it's not serious / life-threatening but can be very embarrassing to explain to sex partners and pretty painful. It's mainly just infectious when you can see the sores (ie coldsores on mouth or bigger coldsores on genital area) so can largely be avoided by looking at the other person's genitals and mouth.

I'm not condemning anyone for offering or partaking in whatever they want, they can weigh up the risk vs benefit for themselves. I've heard punters and WGs saying I've never caught a thing in years and years of offering or receiving OWO and I've heard some saying they caught gonorrhea in the throat after 2 weeks of working.

I think OWO feels better for the man,or so I have heard! However there are some risks involved. HIV transmission is a very minimal   risk though for oral sex, CIM is riskier obviously.

All in all, there are risks involved in everything in life. Some people I know won't shake hands with anyone in case they catch a cold or scabies! Other people (I don't personally know,but not hard to find on AW) offer BB anal gangbangs! As long as they are informed, it's up to them I guess, but if I offered OWO I wouldn't offer it to anyone on the feedback list of a BB provider.As an extra precaution.

Personally, I don't offer OWO for the reason that I'm in a long-term relationship and don't feel it's fair to expose my partner to diseases just because of my job. And I suffer from the dreaded wisdom-teeth-causing-mouth-problems issue,so I feel it too risky for me. If I didn't have those factors I would probably offer OWO if I was considering doing this as a long-term job.

 
« Last Edit: November 18, 2011, 07:02:42 PM by GlasgowGirl »

Offline smiths

So basically OWO is alot safer then BB in terms of all possible "diseases"?

It still makes me wonder why some would not offer it but offer it with a condom though, if it is safe. Or can we not say for sure, it IS safe! haha. And therefore they just dont wnt to run any risk.

It isnt safe, punting will always have a risk. Its low risk so yes those WGs that only offer OW presumably dont want to take that risk which of course is up to them.

The point is BB penetration is a higher risk so those WGs that offer it are fucking idiots in my opinion. One we had on here W4R a horrible double booking WG who fucked punters over and who despised punters said she offered BB penetration because she liked punters comming in her, dirty skank in my opinion.

Offline kiwi69

Like everything else in life, it's a pleasure vs risk thing. ...
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Personally, I don't offer OWO for the reason that I'm in a long-term relationship and don't feel it's fair to expose my partner to diseases just because of my job. And I suffer from the dreaded wisdom-teeth-causing-mouth-problems issue,so I feel it too risky for me. If I didn't have those factors I would probably offer OWO if I was considering doing this as a long-term job.

 

As I said before;  " All you are trying to do is create excuses for not doing BBBJ's " :rolleyes: :thumbsdown:...............End of story.

The proof of the pudding.......................etc :rolleyes: :mad: 

Offline Karin

Like alot men you think with your dick - not the consequences of what you do with it.

Offline Karin

As I said before;  " All you are trying to do is create excuses for not doing BBBJ's " :rolleyes: :thumbsdown:...............End of story.

The proof of the pudding.......................etc :rolleyes: :mad:

Yes, I am angry - is  contracting an STI not a valid enough 'excuse' for you??

Offline kiwi69

Like alot men you think with your dick - not the consequences of what you do with it.

Oh, but we do think..........................that's why so many skanks have dusty phones.......... :D

Get used to it  ;)

Offline GlasgowGirl

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As I said before;  " All you are trying to do is create excuses for not doing BBBJ's " :rolleyes: :thumbsdown:...............End of story.

The proof of the pudding.......................etc :rolleyes: :mad:

Get a grip of yourself. Perhaps some education of sexual health matters on your part wouldn't go amiss.  :scare:

I have said over and over that I don't give a damn what others choose to do, and even that I would probably (due to the risks of long-term illness being very low) do OWO myself if I didn't have a partner and dodgy wisdom teeth abrasions. I also illustrated the pros as well as cons. So that kind of blows your stupid little "theory" out of the water, doesn't it?  :cry:

You have only come on this thread to post your nasty little digs at WGs(for example - "You're not dealing with a female Einstein here......................

Just another mouthy  " know-it-all " hooker" when I never said anything at all to yourself).You have not added anything constructive at all.

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It's up to each individual girl what services she decides to offer, and guys can choose - I know some men who actually specifically choose not to have OWO, because they see that as too much risk for them and the actively avoid OWO.

I don't know why it has to drop to name calling here, there is choice for everyone and that should be respected.


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