C4 Programme on Paradise, Stuttgart 29/1/15

[Captain Caveman]

This promises "A look behind the doors of the five-storey Paradise club in Stuttgart, exploring what life's like for sex workers and their clients in a country with some of the world's most liberal prostitution laws"

The channel's recent show on sex parties was pretty limp (sorry) - let's hope this one's better

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[vt]

That last documentary was limp...we want this one to be thrusting & penetrative...oops I've gone and done it now!! 

[Jerboa]

If you have access to German tv they do show regular programs on the sex industry, Die Reportage on Rtl2 can be interesting.

[elihd]

at 10:15 of the documentary even the Germans doesnt  go for Romanians! 

[Markus]

It was on Channel 4 last night.

Some feminist mentioned that 300,000 out if the 400,000 of the women that escort in Germany are trafficked. Sounds like bollocks to me. Btw those that have been to Paradise, what is it like?

It was a bit disturbing that the owners son who was in charge of the sauna facilities at Paradise committed suicide last  year. Even the marketing manager was under stress. He had marriage problems and said he can't see himself working in a brothel for 20 years.

It did make me laugh when he said guys in Britain don't need prostitutes, they just go to a pub and got a blowjob from a fat girl.

[Captain Caveman]

It was interesting - and quite an eye-opener how plush it looked inside compared to even the best UK equivalents.

I wouldn't expect the TV company to make a commercial for Paradise but I thought it suspicious that, of 150 girls who worked there, they found the three with the most negative accounts of working there.

I think you could take a camera crew to the best-run office or factory in the world and still find three malcontents.

Also interesting that the place wasn't that busy at times and that even the new place on the border with France (where punting is illegal) hadn't taken off. The market must be completely saturated with 'corner shop' brothels in every town and village.

Overall, the programme didn't make the case that legalised brothels are either better or worse than the alternative approaches - just different.

[Markus]

The figure that outstanded me was the fact that Britain has one fifth of the total number of escorts working in Germany. They said Germany had 400,000 so Britain has 80,000. Does anyone else think that figure is grossly exxhauterated?

The blonde girl wasn't even that negative. She just wasn't happy when she earned €100 for a 12 hour shift. I found her extremely cute. I wonder what the rates are for Paradise. Of the other two girls, one had been a victim of a pimp and the other was just fried and homesick. Given the number of girls that work there, I'd have to agree with you Caveman that they could have found a lot of other girls who are happy to work there but many of them wouldn't want to be on TV.

The brothel on the border of France seemed to be doing badly. Not everyone wants to go to the mega brothel with flashing lights and national broadcasters filming their activities. The first rule of that business should be to always offer the punter discretion.

I'd like to experience one of these places whenever I go to Germany, would be interesting to see how the other side of this trade works.

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

It was interesting - and quite an eye-opener how plush it looked inside compared to even the best UK equivalents.

Yes, I have only experienced Samya in Cologne (link and report below), but I can definitely say that in terms of the décor and set up it was very similar to Samya.

50 Euro entry, 50 Euro per 30 minute punt, well furnished spa/sauna/bar set up, free food all day, keys to rooms and lots of sexy girls parading around. I would say the girls I saw at Samya were much better than those they showed at Paradise though. Exceptional VFM compared to the UK. Only LMP/TPC in the UK gets close in my experience.

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[Quesadilla]

The figure that outstanded me was the fact that Britain has one fifth of the total number of escorts working in Germany. They said Germany had 400,000 so Britain has 80,000. Does anyone else think that figure is grossly exxhauterated?

Even more interesting is the claim that the sex industry in Germany is now valued at a round €18bn about three times that of Britain. 

So in principle we have 1/5 the number of escorts but our sex industry is worth 1/3 the value.  Conclusion - legalisation in Germany has resulted in market saturation resulting in the cost of punting going down - at least in these brothels. However I found while in Germany looking at indie escort sites they seemed more expensive than back home.  I imagine the punts in the brothels are very wham-bam-thank-you-man so maybe the indies play up the GFE/PSE aspects that are missing.  No doubt our resident expert Jerboa can comment with a bit more intelligence?

I have now been to Germany for work four times in the last six weeks and still haven't made it to one of these brothels which is an absolute crime - next time I have a trip planned I've decided to take a day's vacation and spend a day at one - purely for research purposes you understand. 

Would be interesting to see the result if such brothels ever made it over here, but the reality is public opinion is way too conservative here for it to ever happen.

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

I imagine the punts in the brothels are very wham-bam-thank-you-man so maybe the indies play up the GFE/PSE aspects that are missing.

I can only comment on Samya, but the majority of my punts were of very good GFE standard.

I fancy Pasha in Cologne might be more wham-bam as its an 11 floor brothel, but Samya is of a good enough size to attract 50 or so of the better looking girls and service providers. My experience only.   

[adindas]

It was on Channel 4 last night.

Some feminist mentioned that 300,000 out if the 400,000 of the women that escort in Germany are trafficked. Sounds like bollocks to me. Btw those that have been to Paradise, what is it like?

300,000 out of the 400,000 ??????

Utter bollocks from people who claim to work for vulnerable but instead what they are after are a political gain.  Probably a seat in parliament, become a minister, Major ???

Woow 300,000 out of the 400,000 is 75%. It is only a retarded person will ever believe that ....
If the claim was true why did not they report it to the police ??
They probably know more than the people on the ground such as the police ....

[Jimmyredcab]

I watched it yesterday, very impressed with the quality of the premises but the girls did appear to be somewhat jaded, getting fucked by up to 20 punters a day must affect their sanity.
There was no mention of the fees, apart from the 79 Euros entry fee, that rings alarm bells for me, they will obviously try to extract as much as possible from you.   

[Quesadilla]

I watched it yesterday, very impressed with the quality of the premises but the girls did appear to be somewhat jaded, getting fucked by up to 20 punters a day must affect their sanity.
There was no mention of the fees, apart from the 79 Euros entry fee, that rings alarm bells for me, they will obviously try to extract as much as possible from you.   

There is some variance between clubs/cities but the escort rates themselves are usually a flat fee in the vicinity of €50 for 30 mins with some "extras" like a levels and CIM. 

All prices are agreed up front with the escort but unlike here you don't pay until after the punt is over.  There does appear to be one potential area for rip-off which I've read about in some venues - if you go over your 30 mins you may get charged for the next 30 mins as well.  I assume German punters get very good at timekeeping.

[Jimmyredcab]

There is some variance between clubs/cities but the escort rates themselves are usually a flat fee in the vicinity of €50 for 30 mins with some "extras" like a levels and CIM. 

I got the impression that fees were "negotiable", the owner made it clear that he only gets the entrance fees and profit from alcoholic drinks, being a cynic I suspect there is a minimum but no maximum to what they will charge.   

[Falstaff]

I watched it and it was the usual slanted rubbish.

However it is financially beneficial to the economy in two ways: The WG's earnings are PAYE'd i.e. captured at source, and the very presence of these upscale and legal joints may well be a key reason why Germany is steadily increasing its share of the lucrative business conference trade.

[Quesadilla]

I got the impression that fees were "negotiable", the owner made it clear that he only gets the entrance fees and profit from alcoholic drinks, being a cynic I suspect there is a minimum but no maximum to what they will charge.   

Ive done a fair amount of research over the last few months due to travelling to Germany and certainly most of the clubs advertise a clear stated rate on their website. Oase where I was closest to in Frankfurt for example clearly states €50 for 30 mins plus €50 for CIM and another €100 for "the lover of the backdoor experience". So no room for negotiation. I've checked out at least five or six FKK / sauna / brothel web sites and they all have similar pricing, which is not to say that there migh not be other items negotiated behind closed doors.

There are certainly punters with more hands on experience than me who can comment.

[Quesadilla]

I watched it and it was the usual slanted rubbish.

However it is financially beneficial to the economy in two ways: The WG's earnings are PAYE'd i.e. captured at source, and the very presence of these upscale and legal joints may well be a key reason why Germany is steadily increasing its share of the lucrative business conference trade.

Hmmmm must see if we can book our next sales conference at Paradise! 

[Horizontal pleasures]

This promises "A look behind the doors of the five-storey Paradise club in Stuttgart, exploring what life's like for sex workers and their clients in a country with some of the world's most liberal prostitution laws"

The channel's recent show on sex parties was pretty limp (sorry) - let's hope this one's better

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this is worse than not being able to use my old video machine, I cannot make this link find the original and to and play back the programme or even the short clips. any ideas?

[Horizontal pleasures]

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aha
that is why I cannot see it now, until after another showing on Monday night into Tuesday morning, yawn....

[Markus]

Download the app, it was there yesterday.

[superchamp]

Pretty obvious what the programmes agenda was, seemed to be custom made for Harriet Harmen and her ilk. And what a fucking coincidence that of all the brothels in Germany they could have "investigated" theirs is the one that gets busted by the police. In fact, I'm so angered by the programme that I've booked 3 days in Cologne next month to do a bit of my own research. I'll do my best to remain impartial. 

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

I assume German punters get very good at timekeeping.

[/b]

There must be something in the air - I got positively teutonic in my timekeeping while there. 

You do need to keep any eye on when they log the start and end times though and make sure they don't indulge in time wasting tactics (getting condoms etc.) once the meter is running.

[Quesadilla]

[/b]

There must be something in the air - I got positively teutonic in my timekeeping while there. 

You do need to keep any eye on when they log the start and end times though and make sure they don't indulge in time wasting tactics (getting condoms etc.) once the meter is running.

Hmm...maybe some of you guys with local knowledge / experience could help put together a quick idiot's guide to the etiquette perils and pitfalls of these places?  Would be good to have in the PuntingWiki maybe?

[Jerboa]

It was interesting - and quite an eye-opener how plush it looked inside compared to even the best UK equivalents.

I wouldn't expect the TV company to make a commercial for Paradise but I thought it suspicious that, of 150 girls who worked there, they found the three with the most negative accounts of working there.

I think you could take a camera crew to the best-run office or factory in the world and still find three malcontents.

Also interesting that the place wasn't that busy at times and that even the new place on the border with France (where punting is illegal) hadn't taken off. The market must be completely saturated with 'corner shop' brothels in every town and village.

Overall, the programme didn't make the case that legalised brothels are either better or worse than the alternative approaches - just different.

You know tv producers, they would of interviewed several more girls, but only used the three once edited down.

The figure that outstanded me was the fact that Britain has one fifth of the total number of escorts working in Germany. They said Germany had 400,000 so Britain has 80,000. Does anyone else think that figure is grossly exxhauterated?

The blonde girl wasn't even that negative. She just wasn't happy when she earned €100 for a 12 hour shift. I found her extremely cute. I wonder what the rates are for Paradise. Of the other two girls, one had been a victim of a pimp and the other was just fried and homesick. Given the number of girls that work there, I'd have to agree with you Caveman that they could have found a lot of other girls who are happy to work there but many of them wouldn't want to be on TV.

The brothel on the border of France seemed to be doing badly. Not everyone wants to go to the mega brothel with flashing lights and national broadcasters filming their activities. The first rule of that business should be to always offer the punter discretion.

I'd like to experience one of these places whenever I go to Germany, would be interesting to see how the other side of this trade works.

The blonde Josie is a typical cute German girl, I have met a few like her, they can be a good punt. It's €50 for 30mins, same in most clubs.

Regarding discretion, most of the saunaclubs are either out in the country or in the middle of Industrial estates, as Paradise is, this is rules laid out by local councils, German punters are not overly worried about discretion I'd say, it's a different culture, no puritans telling them sex is wicked.

Even more interesting is the claim that the sex industry in Germany is now valued at a round €18bn about three times that of Britain. 

So in principle we have 1/5 the number of escorts but our sex industry is worth 1/3 the value.  Conclusion - legalisation in Germany has resulted in market saturation resulting in the cost of punting going down - at least in these brothels. However I found while in Germany looking at indie escort sites they seemed more expensive than back home.  I imagine the punts in the brothels are very wham-bam-thank-you-man so maybe the indies play up the GFE/PSE aspects that are missing.  No doubt our resident expert Jerboa can comment with a bit more intelligence?

I have now been to Germany for work four times in the last six weeks and still haven't made it to one of these brothels which is an absolute crime - next time I have a trip planned I've decided to take a day's vacation and spend a day at one - purely for research purposes you understand. 

Would be interesting to see the result if such brothels ever made it over here, but the reality is public opinion is way too conservative here for it to ever happen.

You can't really generalise, you get good, bad and average punts anywhere, some girls can be fast to try and end sessions, but also many have been very relaxed and happy to take their time, the walk up laufhaus type is usually more of a basic service in out, the indies will try to say they are better and give great service, but it's bullshit, your just paying more because the girls got a photo shopped website.

I watched it yesterday, very impressed with the quality of the premises but the girls did appear to be somewhat jaded, getting fucked by up to 20 punters a day must affect their sanity.
There was no mention of the fees, apart from the 79 Euros entry fee, that rings alarm bells for me, they will obviously try to extract as much as possible from you.   

I got the impression that fees were "negotiable", the owner made it clear that he only gets the entrance fees and profit from alcoholic drinks, being a cynic I suspect there is a minimum but no maximum to what they will charge.   

Yes you're an old cynic Jimmy lol,  the owner didn't mention how much you pay the girls, because legally he would be skating on thin ice with the German anti pimping laws, that's why the concept in these clubs is to charge a entrance fee to both men and women, the clubs are forbidden to take a cut of the girls earnings. As for what the girls charge, the Fkk concept is universal all over the country, €50 for first 30mins and another €50 for second half/hr, though in most of NRW it's only €25 for second half, there are only a few extras the girls are allowed to charge for, like CIM, anal, WS etc, which are usually €25-€50 more.

I have seen that Michael on German tv, he does a program on RTL2 where he helps poor run brothels improve their business. 

[Quesadilla]

You know tv producers, they would of interviewed several more girls, but only used the three once edited down.

The blonde Josie is a typical cute German girl, I have met a few like her, they can be a good punt. It's €50 for 30mins, same in most clubs.

Regarding discretion, most of the saunaclubs are either out in the country or in the middle of Industrial estates, as Paradise is, this is rules laid out by local councils, German punters are not overly worried about discretion I'd say, it's a different culture, no puritans telling them sex is wicked.

You can't really generalise, you get good, bad and average punts anywhere, some girls can be fast to try and end sessions, but also many have been very relaxed and happy to take their time, the walk up laufhaus type is usually more of a basic service in out, the indies will try to say they are better and give great service, but it's bullshit, your just paying more because the girls got a photo shopped website.

Yes you're an old cynic Jimmy lol,  the owner didn't mention how much you pay the girls, because legally he would be skating on thin ice with the German anti pimping laws, that's why the concept in these clubs is to charge a entrance fee to both men and women, the clubs are forbidden to take a cut of the girls earnings. As for what the girls charge, the Fkk concept is universal all over the country, €50 for first 30mins and another €50 for second half/hr, though in most of NRW it's only €25 for second half, there are only a few extras the girls are allowed to charge for, like CIM, anal, WS etc, which are usually €25-€50 more.

I have seen that Michael on German tv, he does a program on RTL2 where he helps poor run brothels improve their business.

As always Jerboa, I bow to your expertise! Definitely the beginnings of a PuntingWiki chapter I feel? 

[Jerboa]

As always Jerboa, I bow to your expertise! Definitely the beginnings of a PuntingWiki chapter I feel? 

Yes I suppose I could do a wiki on Germany, when I have some spare time, I wouldn't say I'm a expert, but it might help others.

[Quesadilla]

Yes I suppose I could do a wiki on Germany, when I have some spare time, I wouldn't say I'm a expert, but it might help others.

You are too modest Jerboa! You definitely have some valuable expertise here! 

[d00fer]

Would be happy to help out, but I doubt there's anything I could add that Jerboa doesn't already know.

[Quesadilla]

Would be happy to help out, but I doubt there's anything I could add that Jerboa doesn't already know.

I don't think you should underestimate your experience d00fer!  Found your posts very useful as well.

[Vivago]

The blonde Josie is a typical cute German girl, I have met a few like her, they can be a good punt. It's €50 for 30mins, same in most clubs.

Didn't she have a cracking big Fraulein arse? Couldn't believe her estimate that she had serviced 15,000 men. Hell, she must be exaggerating. She hardly looked much out of her teens. If she had 20 men a day it would take over 2 years to reach that total. And that is working flat-out (pun intended).

[Horizontal pleasures]

Download the app, it was there yesterday.

which app? Link?

[fredpunter]

Didn't she have a cracking big Fraulein arse? Couldn't believe her estimate that she had serviced 15,000 men. Hell, she must be exaggerating. She hardly looked much out of her teens. If she had 20 men a day it would take over 2 years to reach that total. And that is working flat-out (pun intended).

Another thing the program didn't highlight whilst busily wringing its hands in anguish at their plight was that 15000 x 50 euros is a shed load of money she's earned.

[Markus]

which app? Link?

It was the C4 app. Surprise, surprise it's gone already yet they are still allowing you to catch up on TimeSigns from 1991 

[Markus]

Didn't she have a cracking big Fraulein arse? Couldn't believe her estimate that she had serviced 15,000 men. Hell, she must be exaggerating. She hardly looked much out of her teens. If she had 20 men a day it would take over 2 years to reach that total. And that is working flat-out (pun intended).

That Josie was incredibly cute. Had a cracking pair of tits. I know this has probably been covered before but I am guessing all FKK clubs do Oral with?

[d00fer]

That Josie was incredibly cute. Had a cracking pair of tits. I know this has probably been covered before but I am guessing all FKK clubs do Oral with?

Nope, I've always had OWO even when I've gone with the basic 50 euros service

[Vivago]

Nope, I've always had OWO even when I've gone with the basic 50 euros service

Yes, me too. I would say that OW would be the exception rather than the rule particularly in view of the fact that most girls want to upsell you to the CIM option which is (ker-ching) an extra 25 or 50 euros for them.

[Markus]

I need to make any sort of excuse to get myself to Germany.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

Nope, I've always had OWO even when I've gone with the basic 50 euros service

+1.

[Jerboa]

Didn't she have a cracking big Fraulein arse? Couldn't believe her estimate that she had serviced 15,000 men. Hell, she must be exaggerating. She hardly looked much out of her teens. If she had 20 men a day it would take over 2 years to reach that total. And that is working flat-out (pun intended).

Yes It did sound a lot, but she did say she'd worked there four years, if she's worked everyday for four years, 10x punters a day, that comes out at around 15,000!

Another thing the program didn't highlight whilst busily wringing its hands in anguish at their plight was that 15000 x 50 euros is a shed load of money she's earned.

Yes a nice little earner, €750,000 not including extras. 

That Josie was incredibly cute. Had a cracking pair of tits. I know this has probably been covered before but I am guessing all FKK clubs do Oral with?

The guys are correct, OWO or as the Germans call it Französisch ohne (FO) is standard in most clubs, the girls aren't meant to charge extra for it, only the Catholic repressed southern state of Bayern is FO illegal.
I take it you've read the trip reports on here, if you're thinking of a trip, take a read at the ISG board too.

[Macca74]

You should all definitely try the FKK clubs. They're safe, controlled, have fixed prices and amazing women. Even if you pay €70 or €80 to get in to a club, you have food and soft drinks for the whole day. Most guys on this forum would be able to look after themselves. Try Artemis in Berlin,  or Oase, Palace, Sharks or Mainhattan in Frankfurt. They're all great clubs.

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

Hmm...maybe some of you guys with local knowledge / experience could help put together a quick idiot's guide to the etiquette perils and pitfalls of these places?  Would be good to have in the PuntingWiki maybe?

I'm afraid my local knowledge only extends to Samya and the review link I posted here for now.

I have booked a couple more trips to Germany this year though and have been studying Jerboa's excellent map (link below - believe this is the latest version he has posted) for inspiration.

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I will gladly post more on my future visits.
 

[Quesadilla]

I'm afraid my local knowledge only extends to Samya and the review link I posted here for now.

I have booked a couple more trips to Germany this year though and have been studying Jerboa's excellent map (link below - believe this is the latest version he has posted) for inspiration.

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I will gladly post more on my future visits.

Wow! Somehow missed that map - that is awesome, and now bookmarked!

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

Wow! Somehow missed that map - that is awesome, and now bookmarked!

It certainly is. Big hats off to Jerboa  for his fantastic research and sharing of info.

[kingkong]

Only just watched this today. The manager who said if a girl messages him with a Romanian e-mail address, she gets deleted! made me laugh a bit.
The blonde girl who when asked how many punters she had been with, she replied over 15000 men. She was only young....makes you think how many some of our prossies have been with and what some of them have done with the wonga.

[Jerboa]

It certainly is. Big hats off to Jerboa  for his fantastic research and sharing of info.

Yes that map I first began a few years ago when I first researched German punting, I did it mainly so I could see the various locations on a map, and work out where I would visit, I do need to update it, as clubs have come and others have gone.
Another map I made was Swinger clubs of Europe, It shows many clubs that also organise sex parties.
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[Marmalade]

I've never been to 'Paradise' but Stuttgart is quite a nice town to visit if you have reason to. Not as well appointed as the bigger cities, but plenty of pussy right in the centre (or for FKs, as is usually the case, you mostly have to travel out a little bit.) The south of Germany is much more laid back than the north. Prices in the shops are quite cheap compared to the UK. Excellent transport facilities etc. I suppose it is mostly the ratio of flight price vs amount of facilities that tends people towards the bigger hubs.

If you are stuck in Switzerland (gold-plated credit-card pussyland) and need to exercise your dong without having to mortgage your house, there's excellent trains that run to Stuttgart.

[Marmalade]

I've never been to 'Paradise' but Stuttgart is quite a nice town to visit if you have reason to. Not as well appointed as the bigger cities, but plenty of pussy right in the centre (or for FKs, as is usually the case, you mostly have to travel out a little bit.) The south of Germany is much more laid back than the north. Prices in the shops are quite cheap compared to the UK. Excellent transport facilities etc. I suppose it is mostly the ratio of flight price vs amount of facilities that tends people towards the bigger hubs.

If you are stuck in Switzerland (gold-plated credit-card pussyland) and need to exercise your dong without having to mortgage your house, there's excellent trains that run to Stuttgart.

I maybe have to correct myself, sorry. I was trying to recall the name of the FKK I visited in Echterdingen, which is a southern suburb of Frankfurt and I think may indeed have been "Paradise." I def went to Sakura, another FKK in the vicinity and reviewed it. I think I preferred it to Paradise.

A bit like an enormous spa. The reception is a bit like a 5 star hotel. The atmosphere is that they treat you as if you are loaded for coming to the joint, posh in other words. But at least you do get the feeling that everything is completely above board. Tour available (the place is enormous). Various areas for shagging or just relaxing without getting hassled. The girls wandering around stark bollock naked mostly. They don't hassle unless you make eye contact but if you do there is the typical German lack of subtlety. There is no natural chit-chat as far as I was concerned: they are in competition to nab as much prey as possible. Food (fairly good quality) is rolled out at intervals.

Lookswise most of the women are ok, some very nice looking. But at these prices and razzamatazz I would really like much, much more than ok. The nudity is not particularly sensual to my mind. They wander around a bit like people on a regular nudist beach without much eroticism. I rather felt that personalities had been left at the door when they clocked on for work. (I'm not denying that if you are more used to German culture and can speak German naturally, you could probably dig much deeper.)

I eventually picked what seemed the least worst bet. Having got there and gone through such a rigmaorole, leaving without a shag would be pretty pointless. It was ok, nothing special. I think she had a buzzer or something to say when the time was up, and it was concluded with crisp German politeness. At the desk on the way out they checked that everything was ok. Left and jumped the S-train to Hauptbahnhof (central station) to chance my luck among the more "free range" cheap-as-chips Eros joints.

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I know that FKK fans will pour scorn on Eros clubs, that's their choice. I am not so much disillusioned about the cash as the amount of time involved in pissing about (getting there, going through all the niceties). OK value if you like the style and maybe want to stay there all day, enjoying the fanny and the food. I personally found them a bit boring and the attitude of the girls within too narrow a range (little element of "discovery"). For Eros centres you can just roll in, for instance Stuttgart has a fucking enormous one, you can almost get lost there on all the floors (dozens of rooms, each with a different girl in the doorway) nip in before elevenses then do another couple after lunch, all within walking distance of pubs, restaurants, tourist attractions, and the cost is barely noticeable.

[Curious6705]

Watched this programme last night. I think the narration could have been written by a FemiNazi, and oh the irony of a programme which claims punters and FKK owners are exploiting WGs, but which exploits them for its own ends - showing wall to wall tits and bums and devoting much of its time to showing a naked WG talking to camera.

Bottom line IMO is C4 shooting for maximum sensationalism and calculating they will always pull in an audience and advertisers by showing hot women naked and talking about sex. And I wonder how many new punters they have recruited? Quite funny and ironic that they also showed naked protesting feminists - and did you see the camera angles as the director ogled the cute young feminists writing out placards?

At €1.35 to the £, IMO this programme will result in a lot of would be new punters scheming to get themselves over to Germany. 

[UltrasForLife]

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This girl looks very similar to the one from the program, no?

[UltrasForLife]

Also if someone happens to meet the daughter in London, please get her number. I am sure there will be a way to convince her for  at least one session. She was fucking hot.