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Offline Marmalade

Even bl**dy Saafe is wary of the professional Mr 10/10 . . .

When it comes to fluffy reviews, I can sort of tolerate Steve2 (for instance) as it's his business and he doesn't hide the fact. I do mostly ignore his reviews (no offence Steve) but at least they say "she exists" and he's been around long enough not to take the piss. But with flurries of high ratings, remember UKP has a cracking reputation and it will go down the swanny if a lot of punters simply lack discrimination. Prossies will play the game (it's their business) and only the savvier ones, once that genuinely provide top service, will feel undervalued and punters will even look elsewhere for discriminating information.

A scale is only meaningful if it works. There's no "scale" involved if most girls get 10/10 and the one that doesn't turn up gets 1/10. Better to think of ten or twenty punts and spread them evenly across the ratings, explicit or not, so some are 2/10, some 3 and so on. If some fluffies can't distinguish between the vfm of one prossie versus another, they are thinking with their dick, which means the prossie effectively owns them.

Some illustrative comments below from the prossie forum, and bear in mind these are the ones they were forward enough to make!
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I just received an email from a guy blatantly promoting the writing of fake reviews. I'm flabbergasted honestly how he's tried to dress it up as a genuine business proposition.  He's even attached a fake review for me to read.

He claims to be a professional copywriter, and offers to post these reviews online. Just confirms what I guessed anyway, that theres an awful lot of fake reviews around!
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Just ignore him sweetie and let him carry on writing fake reviews for those who clearly need them, sad acts! X

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Yep I got it too, loved how he tried to make out client's want to see a well written review that uses proper grammar and flows lol. Here was me thinking they just wanted to know that you were A: genuine and B: good

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I had a guy offering this a few years ago and AW not only removed him but every review he had written too. 
With people writing fake reviews be it on AW or elsewhere it makes a mockery of the whole thing.  Nothing beats a good honest review even if it is not 100% flattering (I want to know if something is wrong).  However fake ones make every single review worthless as if fakes keep getting put up people wont believe real ones either.

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You could offer a discount or extra time, but I wouldn't write this on your profile, as then it can make your feedback look not so kosher, as it were. That is- if someone has been effectively endorsed to write something nice, then some clients may not believe the feedback.
(more will offer than actually give it)

A sensible comment about another punting site, and a disreputable site at that
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One other policy which may or may not have changed was the one which would get you instantly put on the No Reports list if you were seen to try to solicit good reviews by offering discounts, which might be worth keeping in mind. Plus reviews you have effectively bribed/paid somebody to write aren't going to have much credibility in the eyes of other punters as opposed to ones you've earned, surely?
I'm not that convinced though, as that site was known, if not for fake reviews, for reviews that were always 'highly complimentary.'

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Requesting a review or report in exchange for discount or extra time is not something I personally agree with.
In my opinion it may not be a true representation of the lady or how the meeting went if the client is just writing it
to gain discounts etc. Reviews are supposed to be genuine descriptions of the girl and session so that other men
can decide if they might want to see that girl


Personally I no longer use numerical ratings as it sucks of AW anyway for a start; but some sense of comparative value is necessary for a review to be worth anything. If a girl is "10/10" or even "8/10" then the question implied is, compared to what??

My guess is that punters that are constantly praising to the skies every girl they shag either have no sense of proportion, or are on happy pills, or are tarting it up to please the prossie in the hope of a discount. This, as the comments from the prossie site I think suggest, is so common that not only do experienced punters treat the reviews with a pinch of salt but prossies realise it is doing them no favours either.

When I fuck an EE who was, how shall we say, "okay" then I think, if I give her a rave review, even a positive, that is extremely unfair to top performers. In Edinburgh for instance, I have twice rated Sweet Petite very highly as her service is pretty well outstanding in all respects, even if she is older than most of my punts. Were I to rate equally highly someone who isn't in the same ball park, then both reviews would be meaningless, gratuitous, and offensive to the ethos of the forum. If I review Lanya, who has put on a bit of weight since she started and not quite the sweet innocent she convincingly portrayed a while ago, I balance this with the fact that she's reliable (which I am entitled to *expect* though so not a positive, just lac of negative) and the fact that she does one of the best gagging deep-throats around in the past year.

There is a large qualitative difference between the GFE and sensual massage of a top provider and a foreigner who gives a "nice" once over. There is a large qualitative difference between the blow-job that hits the back of the throat for five or ten minutes of enthusiastic gagging and someone who does a smiling knob-lick.

In other words, these people who "never have a bad punt" are not doing punters a favour and in addition are pissing on the genuinely good service providers. Give 'em Moet or Irn Bru and they'll go yeah, tastes good! Not only should they not be let  within a mile of champagne, their effusive praises should be marked with a DAFT KNOB sign.
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 :hi:

Offline Marmalade

A good punter has just pointed out to me that I unintentionally misjudged Steve2. He posts a lot of negative reviews as well as positive ones and anyway I have much respect for him and no offence was intended. The constant 10/10 posters know who they are of course.
 :hi:

Offline Queynte

Long read but very enjoyable. I would rate the post 10/10

RandyF

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The sycophant reviewers aren’t really fooling anyone though, are they?  Really?  That'd suggest the average UKP reader a total fucking clueless imbecile.

Seems, by and large the Saafe hags aren’t in the least bit fooled either.  Good luck getting any freebies/favours from those superb beauties, sycophants  :hi:

Will there ever be a time when we need funny icons inserted to point out the sycophants out? Will every review need to be analysed and torn apart, just in case he's a subtle sycophant trying to sneaking under the radar!?

Punting supposed to be fun.

Offline tazman1002001

Punting supposed to be fun.

Randy I totally agree and I have fun at every punt and treat every girl like a human whom is providing a service and if it's good I honestly write it's good.....I don't  concern myself too much about what people will think of my review, and the same way I don't add any comments to make my reviews better I don't add any negative comments to ensure I fit in with people who are looking for blood.

Banned reason: White-knight abusing facility to change another punters negative review and then getting abusive after his touting and white-knighting is exposed. Previously banned for similar reasons.
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Offline Banquo

I've always been interested in the number of reviews left by members here. I expect that some of the UK's most prolific punters find their way to this forum, but the average number of reviews by active member could be as low as 2-3? I don't understand that.

I have 16 official reviews here, but a (very) quick recap of my posts uncovered several "reviews" buried in various threads (e.g. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=25873.msg371244#msg371244)

Based on this very quick and probably inaccurate analysis, my stats from April 2013 are:

Positive - 14
Neutral - 21
Negative - 4

(No counting of repeat visits). If the stats above weren't reasonably reflective of the real world, surely UKP wouldn't exist?

I see this as a normal rating for a fairly regular punter. I can undertand that some punters may take a great deal of time to ensure that every punt is a well chosen one and I admit that I can be impulsive and as a result have more neutrals than those that plan carefully in advance. Also, I live in the back of beyond, which restricts the possibility of punting endless "positives". However, in my 20+ years of punting experience, I believe that not even world class research can ensure you avoid neutral or negative punts. So for that reason, I have to say that I regard any reviewer here with predominately 10/10 reviews with a little caution.

Offline tazman1002001

Banquo using that thought process then would mean that you need to put a negative in order for it not to be thought of as suspicious?

I do totally take on board that I get caught in the moment .....I mean Im there to have fun and for me all these small things add upto a high positive review.......but honestly that's how I genuinely feel when relive then punt and start putting it on paper..... Is that wrong?
Banned reason: White-knight abusing facility to change another punters negative review and then getting abusive after his touting and white-knighting is exposed. Previously banned for similar reasons.
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Offline Banquo

Banquo using that thought process then would mean that you need to put a negative in order for it not to be thought of as suspicious?

I do totally take on board that I get caught in the moment .....I mean Im there to have fun and for me all these small things add upto a high positive review.......but honestly that's how I genuinely feel when relive then punt and start putting it on paper..... Is that wrong?

Taz, no, I don't think that a forum member needs to post a negative to avoid suspicion. In fairness, my post above was directed at you, but without any intended malice or criticism. My comment about well chosen punts leading to positives was made with you in mind - I entirely accept that as you appear to live in Central Scotland, you have access to punts which are more likely to lead to positive reviews than is the case for me, living in a field in the North East.

However, the Jordain thread was heading out of control with whiffs of white knighting, seeking favours and engaging with a service provider in a way that seemed to be heading to threaten the ethos of this site. No great crime committed, but it drew attention to your predominately positive reviews and comments abouts wg's you've seen. Hence the debate that has sprung up a little.

I admit it's a little hard to imagine that a prolific punter like yourself has had 90% positive experiences, but it could well be true - anyway "Punters first"

Offline Marmalade

Is that wrong?

It's not so much a case of whether it's 'wrong' Taz, it's just unhelpful. I'm sure some guys will read your 10/10 reviews and re-live and enjoy your experience, in technicolour testosterone. You'd be the star poster on many forums. But the purpose of UKP is to help other punters not entertain us mate. Banquo has just given you a very sober reply, and that's how his reviews read: he's calmed down after the punt, analysed the sort of information that will help another punter, and provided a quick analysis. Whereas yours are more like a running commentary (Whahey!! I'm having the time of my life!! Wow she's amazing.) I'm exaggerating a bit but I'm honestly trying to help you get the point. Like Banquo, I've been punting for more than twenty years and I'm honestly not that fussed if some other guy had a good time - good on you cheers - but anything worth me reading is written in adult mode with me, or another intelligent adult in mind, rather than what I'd describe as, no offence intended, 'schoolboy mode.'

Offline tazman1002001

fair comment .......i wont change but may try and adapt and curb my enthusiasm  :dance: :yahoo: :D :hi: :sarcastic: ...also what's not to say that I'm not 27yrs old?
Banned reason: White-knight abusing facility to change another punters negative review and then getting abusive after his touting and white-knighting is exposed. Previously banned for similar reasons.
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carlisle78

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Whilst I agree with some of what Marmalade says - and Taz's right to defend his 10/10 reviews - I do wonder why this seems to be a pre-occupation of the Scottish part of UKP.

The are some huge mega fluffy reviews in the London section by well thought of punters of girls like MissKDD which are almost bordering on erotic literature novels.

But those posters don't get slagged off for their posts.

Perhaps the way to do it is to separate reviews into two sections ( if you are that way inclined) - useful practical info in the first part and wank porn in the second section so that those that get pissed off with wordy stuff can stop after they have the info they want.


Quesadilla

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Randy I totally agree and I have fun at every punt and treat every girl like a human whom is providing a service and if it's good I honestly write it's good.....I don't  concern myself too much about what people will think of my review, and the same way I don't add any comments to make my reviews better I don't add any negative comments to ensure I fit in with people who are looking for blood.
+1 - had a few negatives but learned my lesson hard - I now have a much better idea what I'm looking for and - thanks largely to this site - I have gotten much better at finding it. 

I know my reviews tend towards the fluffy and I know that my earlier reviews definitely were more positive in some cases than they deserved simply because I had relatively little to compare to. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

But even those punts that I now look back on and think - meh, I wouldn't personally repeat because I now know there are much better out there - at the time I did genuinely enjoy them and still am comfortable saying someone else would too. 

Never going to aim for fully objective reviews because for me half the fun is getting carried away with the whole thing but hopefully as I get more experienced my reviews at least benefit from more perspective.

Offline Marmalade

I think there's a difference between having fun on a punt and having a sensible conversation afterwards, and also being grown up enough not to take it personally -- as I hope Taz is doing (I think you've posted your age somewhere else on the Internet mate).

People say "I don't care what people think of my reviews" but if that is the case, why bother posting them? I mean surely you've got a life . . .

But the ethos of review writing everywhere else has established a format that most punters fall into for a while. They even use the AW layout (Nothing wrong with the layout, just the content on AW field reports is 98% useless). Hopefully when they join this place they cotton on to the fact that we can actually get past this "hey isn't it great we're all punters having a great time paying women for sex" thing, which is maybe ok, but realising that a more reflective attitude can help everybody is another step. It increases punting fun on the punt because you have the freedom to be more selective. You don't have to find a new-found freedom in writing what are essentially soft porn reviews where nearly every shag is the most amazing thing since you discovered your willy; but find that grown up men do indulge in paying for sex and that a 'gentleman's understanding' (for want of a better phrase) is a more refined pleasure than beating your own chest.

The difficulty is getting new posters to realise this sometimes -- you have to be forward enough to get their fucking attention when they're busy admiring their own balls, but try to convey that it's in their interests as well to treat other punters as their 'community': not prossies. People can be great writers and it's like a puppy dog pissing with glee over the furniture at times. It's like hey man, look, you're really welcome, but please, fuck the prossies and even piss all over them if it's on their likes list, but treat your fellow punters like we all have more than half a brain.

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Offline socks

Fuck me Marmalade you nailed that.  :drinks:


Offline seeker

I think Taz reviews are okay except
His 10/10
I've seen some of the same girls and noway are the
comparable to each other .
All he has to say is
what the service was like
did he enjoy it
where there fluffy towels  :D
and would he go back  :thumbsup:.
The marking system is so floored.
10/10 compared to what ? :unknown:

Offline auldie63

We all know what he's like, therefore surely we can read between the lines of his reviews and use a bit of nous to get what we need from them. He certainly puts plenty of information in them which is more the sort of thing we want on here surely.
Obviously his post coital euphoria lasts for days so he is not back on earth when he writes them and we should make allowances.
Personally Taz I think they are great and more power to your elbow or maybe the more important parts.  :hi: :drinks:

Offline seeker

Quote from: doobie4u on Yesterday at 11:27:47 pm
Fluffies will end up shooting themselves in the foot when their "review" drums up lots of interest and the wg becomes overwhelmed with requests. They'll get put in their place when the wg they praised so much doesn't have the time to see them anymore!
AND THEN THEY PUT THEIR PRICES UP  :dash: :dash: :dash:

Offline Matrix

What I also find interesting is the reaction, of the 10/10 Gent, when he reads a negative review or something He disagrees with.

I like the "go and see her to prove me wrong" posts, which I might add are fair enough, it's just a pity that He won't disprove anything I've said (admittedly not much) with his own "formula".

I felt I had to post a negative review to warn others.

If Anybody thinks I'm bluffing, please do call me.

Offline Marmalade

What I also find interesting is the reaction, of the 10/10 Gent, when he reads a negative review or something He disagrees with.

I like the "go and see her to prove me wrong" posts, which I might add are fair enough, it's just a pity that He won't disprove anything I've said (admittedly not much) with his own "formula".

I felt I had to post a negative review to warn others.

If Anybody thinks I'm bluffing, please do call me.

The woman you reviewed certainly sounds like an absolute psycho! Good on you for posting, though sorry to hear what you went through. A negative like that is immediately usable info; whereas a "prove me wrong" challenge by serial 10/1O gentlemen is really not that much different to saying, "all the ones in the area are amazing: go and see them yourself if you don't believe me."

The enthusiasm is nice, but there are more efficient methods I prefer when deciding how to spend my money. Again, this is nothing personal against the continuously 10/10 posters, just a matter of logic.

Offline Matrix

Aye.

Surely an honest exchange of information will allow us all to live long and prosper!

Can't find the emocon for tumbleweed!

Offline JJM

I felt I had to post a negative review to warn others.


Any reason you never left a negative on AW, or was it not confirmed

Offline TommyMoundfrigger

This post is another way of saying what I said a while back (and sadly caused a lot of anger and animosity .... for which I apologised)

We know AW reviews should be taken with a pinch of salt but if we need to 'read between the lines' or 'disregard his fluffiness' then UKP is no better than AW when it comes to honest reviews, which I think it should be. Or why exist?

Maybe I am just not as good at picking my meets as the 100% positive / 10/10 punters?

Offline Marmalade

This post is another way of saying what I said a while back (and sadly caused a lot of anger and animosity .... for which I apologised)

We know AW reviews should be taken with a pinch of salt but if we need to 'read between the lines' or 'disregard his fluffiness' then UKP is no better than AW when it comes to honest reviews, which I think it should be. Or why exist?

Maybe I am just not as good at picking my meets as the 100% positive / 10/10 punters?

I think that makes sense. If punters can only write in a way that needs us to read between the lines, it's about encouraging more skilful review writing, not more categories or better "interpretation" skills on the part of people reading the reviews.

Quesadilla

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This post is another way of saying what I said a while back (and sadly caused a lot of anger and animosity .... for which I apologised)

We know AW reviews should be taken with a pinch of salt but if we need to 'read between the lines' or 'disregard his fluffiness' then UKP is no better than AW when it comes to honest reviews, which I think it should be. Or why exist?

Maybe I am just not as good at picking my meets as the 100% positive / 10/10 punters?
Don't think there are many 100% positive 10/10 punters on UKP - but as one who has definitely hit nearly 90% positive I would say the following:

1) being here definitely helps me select better punts and
2) I am very risk averse after two bad punts and almost never see anyone who has not been well reviewed here and specifically reviewed by punters I personally rate/trust. 
3) I also often re-visit the same reliable regs where some like to mix it up much more. This massively improves my positive punt rating as I've yet to have a bad punt from a reg.
4) Many punters here are much more willing to take a risk in the hope of finding an undiscovered gem, and as a result bat probably nearer 50-75% as a result.  Does not make them better or worse punters although IMHO if your batting average falls to less than 50% success rate you might want to reconsider your risk/reward ratio.  :lol:

Ultimately you need to find punters who appear to have similar taste / outlook / attitude to risk as you, as their reviews will almost certainly be more useful.

Offline Matrix

Any reason you never left a negative on AW, or was it not confirmed

It was done over the phone.

I've had an Aw profile for 5 odd years. I don't even have 5 feedbacks.

Offline seeker

The problem with that is Q
If no one goes to see any new working girl with 0 feedbacks
And then recommends them to other punters
Where would you get your information from ..
your success relies on other punters taking a chance in the first place .
We would all end up punting ever older and dearer old Haggs
Like those on you know where ..

Quesadilla

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The problem with that is Q
If no one goes to see any new working girl with 0 feedbacks
And then recommends them to other punters
Where would you get your information from ..
your success relies on other punters taking a chance in the first place .
We would all end up punting ever older and dearer old Haggs
Like those on you know where ..
I have four times taken a risk and had two disasters and two successes. I certainly don't rule out TOFTT but as I say it's all about attitude to risk.  Every now and then I would take a risk for sure - and unlike some on here I don't keep my finds quiet / to myself.

But as with all punters I punt firstly for myself. If I was in a punting desert with a dearth of choice I'd do things differently but as it is I have more in my HL than I have time / money to see.  :unknown:

Offline Marmalade

Crikey guys -- I don't consult UKP to see who I want to fuck. I make a hotlist based on standard checks on attractive profiles. I narrow it down to who is available for when I want to see them. Then I have a quick look at the reviews of the women I'm about to try to pin down in case I've overlooked something about them and quickly cross them off the shortlist.

So it is quite a small factor really. When I have a flick through the forum I may come across someone that somehow I've missed but it's not my source book.

1. I use the free email alerts for my area. Most of them are deleted after 2 seconds or less (eg I don't need to do research anyone called "HotFuckTodai" to know with pretty high certainty that she would be shite). Maybe one in 20 is worth clicking on the link and if she looks a "good possibility" she goes on my "good possibility" hotlist which takes another 5 seconds.

2. Once every few months when I have not much else to do I use a "saved search." I've got 3 saved "saved searches" bookmarked on my AW homepage that are a click away. I click the first and it searches according to my strictest criteria (something like 18-21, English first language, within two miles, max price). If I don't see much worth pursuing, I go to the second saved search that has slightly less strict criteria etc.

3. When I want a punt, I have a flick thru my pre-checked "good now" hotlist. If I am not getting a fast enough satisfactory result, I go to the "good possibility" list. Here's the pre-check, something like this (not this order):
a) right click tineye on the best looking photo
b) cut+paste quick google search her phone number
c) drop down click her area see how far away she is
d) check her prices, age, dress size are within my acceptable requirements yes/no
e) check she's not Romanian or has any alarm-bell idiocies on her profile
f) click the rating button make sure it's not hidden or horrific
g) note her likes list to compare her to anyone else on my shortlist.

At that point I've hopefully more or less chosen. I've got three possibles for this afternoon and put their names in order of preference into the UKP search form. Anyone negged them? Skim down any unfamiliar names in the 'positives' list and see if they are believable enough and relative to my needs enough to hotlist.

Fucking is a very personal business. If you were hanging out in a singles bar you probably wouldn't have in depth conversations with everyone there about who would be suitable for you. You'd probably narrow it down and keep an eye out for signals if you were going for someone and were getting eye signals from other people there that suggested she was a fucking headcase.

My choices are often confirmed by someone or other on UKP afterwards, but the idea, as I say, of quantifying everybody else's opinion on who I fuck sounds like lobotomy. I appreciate your input, thanks. But I thankfully still have a functioning mind and functioning cock and sex-drive and that is primary for me as it is mine.

Reviews are icing on the cake.

Offline valdishere

Now that's a good well explained common sense approach to achieving a successful punting experience. :hi:

RandyF

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Help ma boab  :cool:

And let no man ever accuse you of being a casual, spur of the minute, slapdash type of punter Marmalade  :hi: