The execution of Christa Pike

[Blackpool Rock]

As I previously posted I know that so many killers deserve the death penalty or worse - I just don't have sufficient confidence in our police& judicial system
I lived near Guildford at the time of the IRA bombing and can assure you that 99% of the population wanted the 4 & the Birmingham 6  strung up
I also lived in Saudi where it was claimed the death sentence was only applied to those that had freely confessed in court - I leave you to consider what persuaded them to confess - and I can assure you it wasn't their conscience

With the B6 and G4 though they would never even get to court these days, back then the police were happy to fit people up with the view that they needed to gain or regain public confidence and they had to deliver "A body", if they struggled to actually find the culprit then they'd happily frame someone else who they knew or thought was guilty of other things and had got away with them.
The mindset appeared to be one of they were still getting justice for their past crimes that they'd got away with and no doubt the true culprit would in turn get caught for something else at some point that they may or may not have done so eventually would get locked up

Ah yes the good old days when coppers worked on "Nous" and the public trusted them 

Nowadays they need evidence including forensics to 100% prove they are guilty and then hope the CPS allow the case to proceed, and then you have flaky juries letting people off because they had a tough childhood etc, oh and seemingly nobody now trusts the police or any authority because we have all woken up to the fact we were lied to big time on too many occasions 

[timsussex]

You have a lot more confidence in our justice system than me !
and in particular their willingness to change and admit errors

what about the 2000+ people still in prison under IPPs ? Despite the fact that IPPs were abolished in 2012
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[WASA38]

You have a lot more confidence in our justice system than me !
and in particular their willingness to change and admit errors

what about the 2000+ people still in prison under IPPs ? Despite the fact that IPPs were abolished in 2012
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Couldn't agree more. It's inexcusable arrogance.  Like 'how dare anyone question our infallibilty'.

[Colston36]

This thread is about the execution of one individual, it isn't about American politics.

With all due respect in this case it's impossible to separate the two.

[Stevelondon]

She has been returned to a state prison apparently.

Well it is coming up to Christmas. Get her good and healthy, feed her up so they kill her again 🤷🏼

I can’t help but wonder about the third party in this murder trio. The lass who acted as lookout.
After serving her one year sentence she was given a new identity (I think)
Wonder what she is doing now ?


Justice systems work in mysterious ways innit.

[daviemac]

With all due respect in this case it's impossible to separate the two.

Can you point out where Christa Pike is mentioned in the post I replied to or what relevance it has to her case? 

They're trying to run a 21st Century Country by 18th Century rules aka the Constitution. It's barely a Democracy, Gerrymandering is considered a legitimate tactic by both Parties. As for the Firearms issue, there was a logic behind a  the "right to bear arms" at the time but now they have a proper Army a fact the pro gun lobby seem to forget.
I'm not saying our political system is perfect, but theirs is just primitive.

If you can't comment on the subject of the thread without going into the origins of the right to bear arms or how the American election system works then don't comment.

[Doc Holliday]

The 'mess' surrounding the lack of protocol continues. Quite extraordinary.

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[DastardlyDick]

The 'mess' surrounding the lack of protocol continues. Quite extraordinary.

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The big problem they have is that no Doctor will insert the cannula for executions (Hippocratic oath?  ) so they have to train prison guards.

[catweazle]

The big problem they have is that no Doctor will insert the cannula for executions (Hippocratic oath?  ) so they have to train prison guards.

I gather  the Oath starts with : First, do no harm.

On a slight tangent,  Florida managed  a lethal injection execution yesterday- the inmate wanted the death penalty- by using a three drug protocol 

[timsussex]

I gather  the Oath starts with : First, do no harm.

On a slight tangent,  Florida managed  a lethal injection execution yesterday- the inmate wanted the death penalty- by using a three drug protocol

Until this case I thought all states used a 3 drug protocol sedative, paralytic and finally potassium chloride stopping the heart

Assuming it goes into a vein then a large dose of potassium is 100 percent effective in stopping the heart - whether it is painless is another matter and I have always been slightly concerned over the 2nd stage paralytic agent. which in addition to its stopping breathing would also prevent any expression of pain

[Stevelondon]

Until this case I thought all states used a 3 drug protocol sedative, paralytic and finally potassium chloride stopping the heart

Assuming it goes into a vein then a large dose of potassium is 100 percent effective in stopping the heart - whether it is painless is another matter and I have always been slightly concerned over the 2nd stage paralytic agent. which in addition to its stopping breathing would also prevent any expression of pain

I’m with you Tim.

Give them a year or two and they will come up with another way to kill people.
Death by ferrets maybe 🤷🏼

[WASA38]

Until this case I thought all states used a 3 drug protocol sedative, paralytic and finally potassium chloride stopping the heart

Assuming it goes into a vein then a large dose of potassium is 100 percent effective in stopping the heart - whether it is painless is another matter and I have always been slightly concerned over the 2nd stage paralytic agent. which in addition to its stopping breathing would also prevent any expression of pain

Many proponents of the death penalty argue that inflicting physical pain during the killing operation is right and proper and an appropriate part of
the punishment for those that have committed heinous crimes.

Withiut wishing to go off piste it occurs to me that in the belief that it's fine to inflict pain without risk of PTSD  there is a kind of parallel with subjecting male infants to circumcision.

[DastardlyDick]

Lethal Injection was originally promoted in 1888 by a NY Doctor as being cheaper than hanging, but it wasn't until the mid/late 70s that Oklahoma passed it into Law, followed the next day by Texas, after a series of botched executions using the Electric Chair, which (until I saw "The Green Mile") I thought was nigh on impossible, which (IMO) shows the calibre of US prison staff.

[timsussex]

Many proponents of the death penalty argue that inflicting physical pain during the killing operation is right and proper and an appropriate part of

the punishment for those that have committed heinous crimes.

they only tilted that way when questions were raised about the methods use to do it painlessly

Withiut wishing to go off piste it occurs to me that in the belief that it's fine to inflict pain without risk of PTSD  there is a kind of parallel with subjecting male infants to circumcision.

Off piste ? you are off the planet with that comparison