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Author Topic: Advice on getting a booking with Holly - please?  (Read 9601 times)

Offline Turtle Z


Steve, I get the bit about buying her presents to compensate for her generosity in allowing you to overstay by two hours but many many punters would read something into this. If a girl allowed me to stay two hours longer than I'd paid for then I might be entitled to think that she liked me more than in a professional capacity. It would appear that she does with with a number of clients and indeed I myself was not rushed out the door but my own sense of time prevented me from taking the piss. I don't agree at all that Holly has no part to play in this, she may not have asked you but she has asked others via her blog. Moreover, she could have refused the present and that would have enforced a very clear boundary. Ironically, I am one of the few on this thread who has no interest in seeing Holly again, she was fantastic for the whole experience but I've met girls since who I have enjoyed the sex with more. It ain't the end of the world just because Holly won't see you!
Oh and I completely understand any girl who won't tolerate the slightest sign of anger, they are in a risky business and should heed the small warning signs. Perhaps I have the middle ground on this but to sum up I'd make four points.

1. Holly is most definitely worth seeing but treat her as an escort, however convincing she is at GFE.
2. Only overstay the time you've paid for by a reasonable amount unless you are a cold hearted bastard like me who gets attached to nothing.
3. Don't for one minute think you are any more special than the last punter, however convincing she is at GFE
4. Holly herself should really stop being quite so hypocritical about punters overstepping boundaries until she learns how to put those boundaries in place and maintain them.

I've been seeing a regular for years, we always have frantic sex every time we meet and in all the years we have been meeting she has always maintained a luke warm professional facade. She never asks about my private life, she never asks for presents, she never compliments me personally or allows me to overstay my paid time by unreasonable amounts, though if I did that I would simply pay extra. In some respects, it is this lack of personal insight into each others lives that keeps it fresh and I genuinely have no interest in her life.  There is an art to managing punters and their expectations and I think Holly is too young and inexperienced to do this successfully.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2015, 11:44:25 pm by Turtle Z »

Offline steve7458

Thanks Turtle for the advice. I wasn't going to say anything more on this thread as I was thinking nobody else would be bothered, but its rumbled on.

In reply to Owwhatanight, whilst not heartbroken,  I was very upset, but its interesting to hear what you had to say about what had happened to you.  I'll certainly miss Holly and would have loved to see her again as she ticked every box for me, but I accept what has happened and unfortunately that's the end of it.  I guess at the time I was most shocked that Holly based her entire decision on my correspondence to her and not on her true knowledge of me and how I was with her when we met, as that surely is the most reliable test of someone.  Without trying to take any higher ground, I think that if I'd have got a disconcerting email from Holly I am pretty sure I would have asked her about it further, rather than tell her that I didn't want to see her again.  I trusted her enough to think that if she sent me something that seemed out of character for her then there would be a reason.  Albeit that could be simply because I liked her more than she liked me, who knows?  I wonder if Owwhatanight felt the same way.  Again though, I totally understand that she has every right to make that call and perhaps she doesn't want to get into any discussion beyond it as it might simply have made her feel uncomfortable thereafter, no matter what the reason was behind it. 

I still maintain nobody should be put off Holly by my experience, I would recommend her 100%.   In terms of what's happened between us, I actually think I'm the one who was too young and inexperienced, not in age but in the punting game.  I only started this hobby last year and looking back I made mistakes with Holly.  I now know I should never have sent that email and I should have waited it out for longer and trusted her to get in touch when she was able to.

One other thing I've learned, which I think is an interesting but separate discussion point, is the issues that arise when corresponding with a younger girl.  I'm reasonably articulate, but Holly & I had the odd bit of confusion before now in emails and texts, partly I think due to age differences and modern text speak, although these were never contentious issues and were always cleared up.  But I think there is a difference in how my generation view texts and emails compared to someone around Holly's age.  I have to admit that I'm a bit anal when it comes to emails and texts and tend to expect a reply if I send one out.  I would never knowingly not reply to one myself, if I thought the sender wanted a reply.  In my experience - and I have 2 girls younger than Holly - it is quite common for their generation not to reply, or not to reply as quickly as I would myself.  I also guess that a girl like Holly, who is juggling studies, a personal life, an AW life and a job, must get loads of emails and texts and must find it hard to reply to them all and even keep a check on those that she hasn't read or replied to. I should remember that more often, but its not easy to when its against your own nature.  I once read that because my generatiuon grew up receiving very few emails and texts initially, we became accustomed to replying to each one of them and so it is more in our nature to deal with them all and reasonably quickly, whilst a younger generation has almost had email/text overload from an early age so get less hung up on an odd missing reply.  Both Owwhatanight and myself seem to have been in that boat with Holly, by chasing her up because she didn't respond in the time limits "we" thought were acceptable.

As a final thought, the last time I saw Holly we briefly talked about another girl's blog.  If you get a second read the blog dated March 11, 2015 for this girl, who I have never seen but is on my HL:

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

I brought it up with Holly and I can't recall the conversation we had, but I know at the time I felt that I could never possibly be put into one of the categories.  How ironic!

Offline Owwhatanight

I never have a game plan when visiting wg just go with the flow and can soon tell how it's going to go the min they open that door.
The min Holly opened the door you felt her presence and she gave you 100% affection & attention the whole time, made you feel special, made you superman. ??? Yes I paid to fuck but this time it was different and the Siren took over my head,heart ..and cock.
I think Turtle has opened my eyes to how they were before my first encounter and enjoyed his comments and taken them on board. Thank you.
Your never to old to learn and that I have done because of this site

Offline Turtle Z

Thanks Turtle for the advice. I wasn't going to say anything more on this thread as I was thinking nobody else would be bothered, but its rumbled on.

In reply to Owwhatanight, whilst not heartbroken,  I was very upset, but its interesting to hear what you had to say about what had happened to you.  I'll certainly miss Holly and would have loved to see her again as she ticked every box for me, but I accept what has happened and unfortunately that's the end of it.  I guess at the time I was most shocked that Holly based her entire decision on my correspondence to her and not on her true knowledge of me and how I was with her when we met, as that surely is the most reliable test of someone.  Without trying to take any higher ground, I think that if I'd have got a disconcerting email from Holly I am pretty sure I would have asked her about it further, rather than tell her that I didn't want to see her again.  I trusted her enough to think that if she sent me something that seemed out of character for her then there would be a reason.  Albeit that could be simply because I liked her more than she liked me, who knows?  I wonder if Owwhatanight felt the same way.  Again though, I totally understand that she has every right to make that call and perhaps she doesn't want to get into any discussion beyond it as it might simply have made her feel uncomfortable thereafter, no matter what the reason was behind it. 

I still maintain nobody should be put off Holly by my experience, I would recommend her 100%.   In terms of what's happened between us, I actually think I'm the one who was too young and inexperienced, not in age but in the punting game.  I only started this hobby last year and looking back I made mistakes with Holly.  I now know I should never have sent that email and I should have waited it out for longer and trusted her to get in touch when she was able to.

One other thing I've learned, which I think is an interesting but separate discussion point, is the issues that arise when corresponding with a younger girl.  I'm reasonably articulate, but Holly & I had the odd bit of confusion before now in emails and texts, partly I think due to age differences and modern text speak, although these were never contentious issues and were always cleared up.  But I think there is a difference in how my generation view texts and emails compared to someone around Holly's age.  I have to admit that I'm a bit anal when it comes to emails and texts and tend to expect a reply if I send one out.  I would never knowingly not reply to one myself, if I thought the sender wanted a reply.  In my experience - and I have 2 girls younger than Holly - it is quite common for their generation not to reply, or not to reply as quickly as I would myself.  I also guess that a girl like Holly, who is juggling studies, a personal life, an AW life and a job, must get loads of emails and texts and must find it hard to reply to them all and even keep a check on those that she hasn't read or replied to. I should remember that more often, but its not easy to when its against your own nature.  I once read that because my generatiuon grew up receiving very few emails and texts initially, we became accustomed to replying to each one of them and so it is more in our nature to deal with them all and reasonably quickly, whilst a younger generation has almost had email/text overload from an early age so get less hung up on an odd missing reply.  Both Owwhatanight and myself seem to have been in that boat with Holly, by chasing her up because she didn't respond in the time limits "we" thought were acceptable.

As a final thought, the last time I saw Holly we briefly talked about another girl's blog.  If you get a second read the blog dated March 11, 2015 for this girl, who I have never seen but is on my HL:

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

I brought it up with Holly and I can't recall the conversation we had, but I know at the time I felt that I could never possibly be put into one of the categories.  How ironic!

The problem with text and emails is that you lose the non-verbal part of speech and things can be easily misconstrued or misunderstood. Holly clearly has a zero tolerance policy and perhaps that is for the best. With a little more age and experience she may be able to read people and situations better.

Offline Bigus Dickus

I am afraid to read any more about Holly as I don't want to turn into THIS:

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Offline CoolTiger

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I am afraid to read any more about Holly as I don't want to turn into THIS:

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Punters who develop chronic EAS, piss off the WG so much she becomes ultra cautious about new punters, and then come on here droning on about how it was all a misunderstanding and must be her fault in some way for not 'getting' what they were trying to say....Self obsessed Cunts.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=46186.50

According to another thread on this forum, posters in this thread are Cunts!!!

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Offline Turtle Z

According to another thread on this forum, posters in this thread are Cunts!!!

And that comment would hold more weight had it not been made by a punter who takes bottles of champagne for his whores. Fuck me, he's spoiling it for the rest of us, they'll all be expecting champagne.

Offline monkeybucket

i could possibly stretch to proseco  :D

Offline j122

i could possibly stretch to proseco  :D
I stretched to that on one of my RB outcalls, I only buy if they're coming to me.
Anyway she took a swig of that in her mouth and then started to give me a OWO... gave me a sensation I'd not felt before, took me by surprise!

Offline Stickitin

Dunno why some of you lads are obsessing over one bird, plenty of holes to stick ur cock in on adultwork  :lol:

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Thanks for noticing chaps. FYI I only take champagne if I really really love them and they love me back. Sorry for the bluntness but it was all getting a bit much for me tbh. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine is that if a WG chooses to break off relations, you should take it as a lesson learned and move on, not analyse the fuck out of it.

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PS I also got OWO with a mouthful of champagne, which was then dribbled from her mouth into mine, so money spent was definitely not wasted. ;)
« Last Edit: April 16, 2015, 11:55:54 am by MrBridger »

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PS I also got OWO with a mouthful of champagne, which was then dribbled from her mouth into mine, so money spent was definitely not wasted. ;)

As long as you did not splill any  :D

Offline RedKettle

Thanks for noticing chaps. FYI I only take champagne if I really really love them and they love me back. Sorry for the bluntness but it was all getting a bit much for me tbh. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine is that if a WG chooses to break off relations, you should take it as a lesson learned and move on, not analyse the fuck out of it.

The point here is that punters cannot (generally) discuss this sort of stuff with friends and family - a forum like this is an opportunity to offload issues like this and if it helps them or others I think that is fine.  There is no obligation on others to read the posts.

Offline Owwhatanight

Well I feel better for it, hence on my way to my second punt this week with a nice dirty Nottingham wg.

Review later

Offline Turtle Z

Sorry for the bluntness but it was all getting a bit much for me tbh.

There are lots of threads on here that I have no interest in reading and that I find 'a bit too much for me' but I find the simple answer to that particular problem is to simply not read them rather than posting in a separate thread that contributors are cunts.
From my perspective, this conversation isn't all about one girl, its about boundaries and how they are maintained (or not) by both punters and WG's.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2015, 04:28:01 pm by Turtle Z »

Offline Turtle Z

Well I feel better for it, hence on my way to my second punt this week with a nice dirty Nottingham wg.

Review later

Good man! I will close by giving one final alternative view point, perhaps Holly loves the attention and loves to be adored. So much so that she leads individuals on, then when realising she has perhaps taken it too far suddenly drops them at the slightest minor irritation that gets overblown beyond reason. Does this sound like anyone you know...  External Link/Members Only

It tickles me that so many accept what a WG tells them because she may be that bit better than the next working girl. We assume they are educated if they tell us they are and assume they are studying at degree level if they tell us they are and my position has always been that I don't believe a word any WG tells me. It's all a fantasy and a game from start to finish and the sooner you realise that the sooner you'll be able to contextualise meetings with WG's for what they are.

Offline Taggart

This thread has got like a Duracell battery. It goes on and on.......

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There are lots of threads on here that I have no interest in reading and that I find 'a bit too much for me' but I find the simple answer to that particular problem is to simply not read them rather than posting in a separate thread that contributors are cunts.
From my perspective, this conversation isn't all about one girl, its about boundaries and how they are maintained (or not) by both punters and WG's.

This thread has Under 3000 views of which 1500 have been in the last few days
That's why it's gone on and on ?
It's your choice what you read.

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Please someone, kill the Duracell Bunny!!!  :wacko: :crazy: :crazy: :timeout: :timeout: :scare:

This thread has got like a Duracell battery. It goes on and on.......

Offline Turtle Z

Please someone, kill the Duracell Bunny!!!  :wacko: :crazy: :crazy: :timeout: :timeout: :scare:

Instead of jumping on the mindless bandwagon to kill off a thread that is only 3 pages long why don't you piss of to the 'cunts' thread and try killing that one off. Punters are having a sensible discussion here.  :hi:

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True, plenty of cunts in various threads tbh  :timeout:  BTW, I have seen Holly, I even paid her Uni registration fee two years ago, but no, I ain't EAS, life is far too short.. plus, she has been unreliable at times.
Instead of jumping on the mindless bandwagon to kill off a thread that is only 3 pages long why don't you piss of to the 'cunts' thread and try killing that one off. Punters are having a sensible discussion here.  :hi:
« Last Edit: April 17, 2015, 11:46:48 am by splodger69 »

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I will re add my thoughs
Biopolor bipolor disorder all the signs clearly shown sad thing no cure only fix is no contact .

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I will re add my thoughs
Biopolor bipolor disorder all the signs clearly shown sad thing no cure only fix is no contact .

No, just how are you coming to this conclusion anyway?

Offline Owwhatanight

Because he is the doctor

Doctor fucking Who !

Offline Turtle Z

I will re add my thoughs
Biopolor bipolor disorder

That's like Quadropolor which is much worse.

Offline Turtle Z

Just when you thought it was dead...

Have you read Holly's latest blog?  Taking a break from AW, maybe or maybe not as a result of comments on this thread.

Offline j122

Leave her to it.....
She's got available dates on there at the moe, if she agrees to meet you go for it otherwise experiment with the other girls that are positivity reviewed on here or TOFTT  :hi:.

Offline monkeybucket

Leave her to it.....
She's got available dates on there at the moe, if she agrees to meet you go for it otherwise experiment with the other girls that are positivity reviewed on here or TOFTT  :hi:.

+1
finally sense

Offline NIK

This seems like Carla Louise of Sheffield all over again. She blurred boundaries with everyone and was the only girl that has remotely caused me to suffer EAS. Unreliable too. But when you got to see her (and I did 14 times, including six overnighters) boy was she good!

I really want to see Holly now!

Offline RedKettle

It is funny NIK but all this thread (which I started as I wanted to see her) has actually put me off!!

Offline Taggart

This seems like Carla Louise of Sheffield all over again. She blurred boundaries with everyone and was the only girl that has remotely caused me to suffer EAS. Unreliable too. But when you got to see her (and I did 14 times, including six overnighters) boy was she good!

I really want to see Holly now!

As I saw the late CL five times in 2002, I'd agree there are similarities in many areas - education, body size, personality, willingness, etc, but I hope after all this time, you can avoid the EAS trap.

I'd also put Little Honey Jessica into the same category.

Offline Owwhatanight

It is funny NIK but all this thread (which I started as I wanted to see her) has actually put me off!!


And I have now found out I was blocked for my views on here not the email sent.
Such is life ?

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so comes back to no contact
MOVE ON !

Offline Owwhatanight

And I repeat ...Such is life !

Offline NIK

As I saw the late CL five times in 2002, I'd agree there are similarities in many areas - education, body size, personality, willingness, etc, but I hope after all this time, you can avoid the EAS trap.

I'd also put Little Honey Jessica into the same category.

Bloody hell! I thought me and Jimmy were the only ones still around who saw CL.  To see her five times in such close proximity you must have thought she was as fab as I did. Indeed I corresponded with about half a dozen punters who had seen her and everyone thought she was incredible. It was actually through her I first got to know other punters.
You were also lucky enough to see her after me, my last meeting being in Dec 2001. I first met her twice in early 99. All the other times were in 2001. She quit in 2000, returned in 2001 and then became ever more unreliable in 2002, letting me down on a number of occasions before I finally gave up. The early meetings were all through an agency. She didn't go indie until around June 2001 which was when I had my first overnighter with her.

If Holly is half as good as CL then she will be indeed worth seeing. I only hope she doesn't suffer the same problems. I'm a little concerned that Holly was a student and now seems to be changing jobs regularly. This was the same pattern with CL, expect she found it difficult to get a job after graduating.

Offline Turtle Z


You were also lucky enough to see her after me,

Not sure I'd describe your sloppy seconds as 'lucky' NIK   :D

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As they say on SAAFE - back on topic or take it to PM please. Can we not just close this thread down now? I'm sick of it popping up on my 'unread pats' and the original purpose was lost about three pages ago.

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As they say on SAAFE - back on topic or take it to PM please. Can we not just close this thread down now? I'm sick of it popping up on my 'unread pats' and the original purpose was lost about three pages ago.

'Unread posts' - fucking autocorrect.

Offline Turtle Z

As they say on SAAFE - back on topic or take it to PM please. Can we not just close this thread down now? I'm sick of it popping up on my 'unread pats' and the original purpose was lost about three pages ago.

So you can't just avoid reading it, you're now sick of it popping up on your 'unread pats.'  You're making a rod for your own back insisting that threads that go off topic or that you are not interested in are closed down. Why not apply to be a moderator since you seem so keen on policing others activity?

Offline Owwhatanight

Just when you thought it was dead...

Have you read Holly's latest blog?  Taking a break from AW, maybe or maybe not as a result of comments on this thread.

She will be back when the money runs out.
Never know a popular thread have so many who want to shut it up...? She reads ukp because so many punters tell her when it's about her. But you know it's all great advertising with this and her blog.
No news is bad news for her.

Offline NIK

As they say on SAAFE - back on topic or take it to PM please. Can we not just close this thread down now? I'm sick of it popping up on my 'unread pats' and the original purpose was lost about three pages ago.

Not sure why you want or believe this thread should be closed.
Anyway it isn't going to be.

Offline Owwhatanight

Looks like this has all kicked off again in Bikerboys review.

Offline Owwhatanight

I have brought this thread back today because I had several emails from an alias profile (oralLover1978) on Aw accusing me of harassing Holly and that he had proof. Stated that they and several Ukp members who were her regs had pm each other and knew this and seen the emails. It could only be the same ones I have mentioned in this thread. If this is a Ukp member and not some jealous twat, and you have anything else then please send it to admin because this is just pure nasty ness.
This has all come about because of my review of Miryaw External Link/Members Only and they have threatened to out my Ukp name and said they had phoned up Miryah & Mandy to be well aware. Well guess what Miryah was with me at the time and we talked about this and she still has not had a call. As for Mandy I do not know her. As I have said before it does not take much to put a Ukp name and Aw name together and I am not bothered.  If this what putting up a review does then that's my last one.
Holly had some sicko harassing and banging on her door but it was not me.
I may be doing no favours to my self putting this up but fuck it what's to loose.


Offline Lt Shaffer

It is funny NIK but all this thread (which I started as I wanted to see her) has actually put me off!!

Bet you're even less keen to see Holly now RK !!   :dash:

Owwhatanight, I can't see any of these "threats" materialising but it's good of you to post.  Life's way too short to be getting involved in crap like this, especially when there a gems like Miryah out there to be discovered.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2015, 03:33:26 pm by Lt Shaffer »

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Life's way too short especially

when there a gems

out there to be discovered.


apologies for External Link/Members Only (Ie to fit) your post (in the above quote)

You have a good point!

1) We only have limited time.

2) Gems are good. But don't always stay that way. As some-times can turn out bad if over External Link/Members Only

3) W/G come and go, UKP can help find the good service providers but also, weed out the wrong'un
« Last Edit: July 19, 2015, 03:45:21 pm by The_Don »

Offline Owwhatanight

Bet you're even less keen to see Holly now RK !!   :dash:

Owwhatanight, I can't see any of these "threats" materialising but it's good of you to post.  Life's way too short to be getting involved in crap like this, especially when there a gems like Miryah out there to be discovered.

You are so right Lt Shaffer, is this site not about helping each other out tho?
I am good in my business because I am honest and know my enemies.
Ipunter is my Ukp friend, we have never met but helped each other out a few times. I am sure there are other packs like this made here. I sent him a copy of the emails sent to me and my replies. Ipunter said, it just shows you what shit some of the WG get via emails. He was also the 2nd from last to see Holly and he knows of no shit about me from her or any one else.
All I say if you have something to say to me, be a man and put it up here as I have nothing to hide, but I will be big enough to reply.

Offline RedKettle

I am glad that I never saw her - there just seems to be too much drama around her, not sure whether that is her doing or some of the punters who think they and her have something special.

Sorry you are having hassle, people need to grow up and get a life.