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Author Topic: Mysogyny in Prostitution  (Read 3266 times)

Offline Matium

How strong an element is mysogyny in prostitution?

Are certain acts mysogynistic?

Offline AnthG

This is an unusual topic to start.

But I was thinking of this from reading the other spelling on AW topic, and also especially in terms of some of the abuse I have received from the auto-censored making me feel bad about myself (which is likely their goal, convince guys not to be punters so they no longer need to work no more - go figure that one out).

Anyway one of the things I have always thought to myself when it gets pointed out a profile with absolutely terrible spelling. I mean terrible to the levels of

Now Offering ANEL

I always think I would truly love to book with this girl as she would be fun.

But then I started to get worried to myself of thinking why would I automatically think she is fun because she is such a bad speller. I then get worried is it due to a lack of respect for her, or if its a domineering thing so I can think to myself I am smarter than her during the appointment, or what exactly.

I honestly do not know what it is but I would love to see a girl with a profile where she has made an effort but the effort has been so bad and full of terrible spelling. Just like the Anel girl above.

So when I say bad speller, I do not mean one line of bad spelling and thats it. I mean has a good few hundred words typed, FAQs and all the others a full on professional profile has. But at the same time the spelling is all wrong throughout it.

I also want to see the other extreme of a girl a total brainbox, Rachel Riley type (the girl from Countdown) where I can sit in awe and chat with a girl totally out of my IQ league.

So is wanting to see a girl because she is not a very good speller a disrespectful thing to women?

Offline AnthG

But in terms of the actual topic I still think BDSM especially sub games variety are disrespectful to women and in an appointment with these girls who have it ticked I could never even think of anyone who would want to do that shit with them. Sub games have got to be Misogynistic.

Offline James999

This is an unusual topic to start.

I agree, perhaps he needs his DNA testing as of late he does seem  to be playing to the tune of the sisterhood  :dash:

Offline AnthG

I agree, perhaps he needs his DNA testing as of late he does seem  to be playing to the tune of the sisterhood  :dash:
I honestly was checking it was not the other site with the fake Matium for a moment.

Offline terryb

How strong an element is mysogyny in prostitution?

Are certain acts mysogynistic?
Mysogynistic... reflecting or exhibiting hatred, dislike, mistrust, or mistreatment of women.
Had to look that one up Matium, I guess all guys punt from different perspectives but would hate to think i ever come across as any of the above.Think maybe the Wgs views on this site would be interesting and more diverse .

Offline AnthG

Mysogynistic... reflecting or exhibiting hatred, dislike, mistrust, or mistreatment of women.

Its a term you will hear a lot from Escorts on other sites, especially trying to justify their dislike of this one.

Its also a term that even though there are multiple meanings like for example "Served" (which is the classic double meaning word from the famous Twilight Zone episode 'To Serve Man').

The only one that gets used by the Escorts is the one meaning men absolutely hate women. It also means as you pointed out that men just have a bit of a mistrust of women, but try using that meaning and have the sisterhood accept that was the meaning you meant.

Offline James999

I honestly was checking it was not the other site with the fake Matium for a moment.

Perhaps they harvested his password on their site , fron there and are posting on his account here   :blush:

Offline Marmalade

But in terms of the actual topic I still think BDSM especially sub games variety are disrespectful to women and in an appointment with these girls who have it ticked I could never even think of anyone who would want to do that shit with them. Sub games have got to be Misogynistic.

You are so frequently way off beam on stuff you have no knowledge of Anth, but this really takes the biscuit. In fact it takes the whole gimp mask and puts your Tesco's shopping in it, it takes the fur lined restraints and gives them to your hamster to chew and crap on, and it takes a state-of-art paddle and throws it into the duck pond because the grip doesn't suit your pingpong nights.

And no, I won't fucking explain it to you - please read up on the subject on wiki or saafe or whatever you turn to when you finally realise you are talking bollocks and all sane people have left the room.

:)
« Last Edit: October 23, 2011, 10:49:41 AM by Marmalade »

Offline AnthG

You are so frequently way off beam on stuff you have no knowledge of Anth, but this really takes the biscuit.

Come on I am allowed to express an opinion. The whole topic, as has been pointed out by myself and James, is a bit odd and daft of Matium to even create.

I have never done sub games with a girl you are correct. I would never do it also. I can imagine what it will be like and I do not like the idea of it.

I am sorry if I caused offence with my opinions.

I think the topic should have the word mysognistic removed to be honest as its such an extreme word and one that gets thrown around. Can Matium change it to something like "are certain acts a bit taboo" or something.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Come on I am allowed to express an opinion.

Absolutely, but sometimes you do show how clueless you are.    :( :(

Offline Marmalade

How strong an element is mysogyny in prostitution?

Are certain acts mysogynistic?

It's a 'strange' question for Matium to ask as he has openly stated he does not respect any prostitutes and could so be accused himself of being misogynistic towards a whole group of women. He possibly doesn't feel that he is.

Controlling prostitutes for gain is misogynistic as it uses people as a means to an end, although the gender is coincidental. There is nothing inherently misogynistic about a woman deciding to be a prostitute or about a man deciding to use her services. This doesn't mean that men who are misogynists anyway don't use the services of a prostitute.

It's a strange use of English in that it assumes a woman-hater and yet the act (prostitution), undertaken willingly and voluntarily, is the act of the woman concerned. A better question would gave been 'Misogyny in Punting' as there is there at least the logical grammatical possibility. But the answer might be the same as, "Is there an element of misogyny in factory work."

Misogyny in men (no direct connection to prostitution) is probably based on fear of women.

The use of the term misogyny by certain men-hating women or failed feminists probably springs from a debunked theory of gender inequality when women tried to assert equality by attacking men. The feminist philosopher Janet Radcliffe Richards and others suggested this was an ultimately ineffective tactic that would in the longer term rebound on women in a never-ending cycle. Those early 'feminist' ideas have largely been supplanted by a celebration of womanhood, but although current in philosophy and academic politics frequently have not filtered down to areas of popular consumption such as the soap opera and soap box.

I don't claim any expertise on feminism, but this is fairly basic stuff afaiaa.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2011, 11:35:36 AM by Marmalade »

Offline Jimmyredcab



I have never done sub games with a girl you are correct. I would never do it also. I can imagine what it will be like and I do not like the idea of it.


What you fail to understand is that some girls actually enjoy being submissive ----------------- a good rough guide is that if both parties are happy with a certain activity then it is OK.   ;)

Offline AnthG

What you fail to understand is that some girls actually enjoy being submissive ----------------- a good rough guide is that if both parties are happy with a certain activity then it is OK.   ;)
Ok, then I am guessing then maybe just certain types of sub games activities are maybe a bit off. But I am not even going to get into that one though someone else can if they want.

But to say again I am not sure what Matium was even expecting as an answer to this question. The only thing that in my view could even close to possibly answer this question is sub games. Which I did and it was reacted with anger.

I would not say anything else, even the extreme likes of Giving Hardsports, is Misogynistic. So why even ask the question?

Did he expect to get a bunch of, "nope nothing whatsoever" as his replies?

Its honestly like someone has hacked his account as is the sort of question a Sisterhood troll member would come along and ask.

Just like this topic

A Girl I Can Be Rough with

Another thing to add maybe thinking of it more, any service could be deemed as Misogynistic if there is a nasty motive behind the guy during asking. For example even the likes of a 69 as the guy may not want to look at the girls face etc.

Offline James999

What you fail to understand is that some girls actually enjoy being submissive

True, but for most pro$$ies it's not about enjoyment it's about money, so many will pretend to enjoy it :cool:

In the same way you may enjoy taking a strap on from a 20 year old size 8 blonde, however the thougth of a 20 stone prozzinet moderator ramming a strap on up your arse would probably have you running for the hills  :scare: but just imagine the thrust that she could put behind it  :cool:

Offline alfie

But in terms of the actual topic I still think BDSM especially sub games variety are disrespectful to women and in an appointment with these girls who have it ticked I could never even think of anyone who would want to do that shit with them. Sub games have got to be Misogynistic.

Sub women attract me most and when with a sub W.G her submissiveness definately is a big factor in my enjoyment. I would not class myself as a misogynist as i like everything about women and respect those who also show respect for themselves and others, also i know the submissive gains enjoyment from pleasing me although even if she did not i would still enjoy it just as much. I would like to make it clear that i would never force a female to do anything, ever, i enjoy the power of being able to gently persuade her to do something with me that she would normally never do or has done ever before or even offer to me without any persuasion.
To the original question, i would say yes there is but it exists in a lot of other sectors of life too.

But then I started to get worried to myself of thinking why would I automatically think she is fun because she is such a bad speller. I then get worried is it due to a lack of respect for her, or if its a domineering thing so I can think to myself I am smarter than her during the appointment, or what exactly.

Anth you think too much at times, you might need some valium to slow things down a tad. 

So is wanting to see a girl because she is not a very good speller a disrespectful thing to women?

No it's not disrespectful, just a very odd way of selecting a pro$$ie.

How strong an element is mysogyny in prostitution?

To the original question, i would say yes there is but it exists in a lot of other sectors of life too.

Same here  :thumbsup:

Are certain acts mysogynistic?

As someone else stated, as long as both parties willingly consent to any act, no.

Offline Marmalade

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Anth you think too much at times, you might need some valium to slow things down a tad. 

£180, plus an 11 out of 10 field report for no sex. Looking at her profile I thought, not bad. Looking a the FR, I wondered, does she also accept money just posted through the letterbox.

Offline AnthG

£180, plus an 11 out of 10 field report for no sex. Looking at her profile I thought, not bad. Looking a the FR, I wondered, does she also accept money just posted through the letterbox.
Read the FR again. We were going to have sex. I stopped it.

She asked a few times if I wanted, but I said no its ok I am enjoying the other stuff too much. Its my paid time we do what I find enjoyable. I find other stuff a bit more enjoyable than sex.

I am a little worried now if my FR is going to be deemed in a negative light like Marmalade has took it as I meant it in support of her.

Offline GlasgowGirl

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Ok here goes -

Is a man misogynistic just because he pays a woman for sex? NO. Of course not. Most of my clients are not misogynists at all, and believe me, I can tell even the subtle hints! 

Are misogynists attracted to the this industry because of the "power" element and possible desperation of the woman (the same way that domestic abusers are attracted to vulnerable woman)? A resounding YES. 

Offline Marmalade

Ok here goes -

Is a man misogynistic just because he pays a woman for sex? NO. Of course not. Most of my clients are not misogynists at all, and believe me, I can tell even the subtle hints! 

Are misogynists attracted to the this industry because of the "power" element and possible desperation of the woman (the same way that domestic abusers are attracted to vulnerable woman)? A resounding YES.

Well argued. Though I think it might be difficult to substantiate.

There's also the joke with much truth that compares women's rights to how much a husband earns. If he's on the dole, she has the 'right' to bitch all day and give him sex once a month. - if her earns a hundred grande she has no rights and gives him sex whenever he wants it.

Money sometimes corrupts and sometimes it will mean a show wife and sometimes a string of bimbo hookers that are regarded as less than people. But it is not the only thing that can mess up a person's brain. And misogynists might not be overrepresented in the punting population as there are many more outlets for their hatred of women than just feeling power over prostitutes. Shouting at their secretary, for instance.

Comparing with abusers and abused - most prossies are doing it for the money, but only a small proportion are desperate. A lot of those work on the street. And that, with the lack of openness and hence lack of protection, does make them open to misogynists and psychopaths (as well as normal men that simply can't afford outlandish escort prices)
« Last Edit: October 23, 2011, 03:19:14 PM by Marmalade »

Offline Matium

The life blood of a forum is free debate.

I just throw up a question in the air, where it lands depends on the debaters.

Note what I state in a forum topic does not represent my own views since I, frequently, like playing devil's advocate.

The most mysogynistic of men on a forum often turn out to be the real charmers who know how to treat a Lady.

 :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: October 23, 2011, 03:25:18 PM by Matium »

Offline Marmalade

The life blood of a forum is free debate.

I just throw up a question in the air, where it lands depends on the debaters.

Note what I state in a forum topic does not represent my own views since I, frequently, like playing devil's advocate.

Nothing said on a forum should be taken too seriously.

 :rolleyes:

A lot of people think you play a character of your own creation.
 :rolleyes:

Offline Matium

I wish these "lots of people" would contact me.

I have dozens of different identities, that's how I keep myself discreet.

 :rolleyes:

The most mysogynistic of men on a forum often turn out to be the real charmers who know how to treat a Lady.

Don't know how you can arrive at that conclusion?  Who have you met who this applies too?
 


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