Is this justice for rape ? (Albeit by boys aged 14)

[finn5555]

Back on topic ....

Being from the traveller community wouldn't be surprised if the boys vanish before facing real justice. 

[southcoastpunter]

Probably trousering a minimum of just under £99k for doing as little work as possible, plus one of the best Pensions avaiable, like the rest of Reform's MPs.

That’s a political comment and not really relevant to this thread!

[DastardlyDick]

That’s a political comment and not really relevant to this thread!

My apologies.
To get back on topic, it seems that the Sentencing Council of England and Wales issued instructions to Judges that children are only to be jailed as a last resort, even in very serious cases.
 (source External Link/Members Only).
Do I agree? No, but my opinion is irrelevant.

[DastardlyDick]

Back on topic ....

Being from the traveller community wouldn't be surprised if the boys vanish before facing real justice. 

I didn't know that, but yes, they'll be on the next boat to (probably) Ireland.

[PepeMAGA]

My nasty views? I'm sure you have a opinion on Shamina Begum, is it right she is stripped of British citizenship for joining ISIS? In the past I would have said yes, I don't know now, what were her crimes? The government should be more transparent. I'm not foaming at the mouth btw.

She has dual citizenship though, so a bit different I assume ( I don't know if the other guy does it not).
But going to go into everything that's been alleged about her as there's another thread it's discussed in, but the information is available online.

[Jerboa]

She has dual citizenship though, so a bit different I assume ( I don't know if the other guy does it not).
But going to go into everything that's been alleged about her as there's another thread it's discussed in, but the information is available online.

Yes there were allegations she was a member of the morality police, and sewed bombers into suicide vests, but the government pleads they can't tell the public, this is now a decade ago, so intelligence sources won't be so affected, if they want to remove citizenship surely the facts should be made public. My point was if they can do it to her or the Rochdale rape gang leaders, why not to others like Rashid? It's a slippery slope.

[Snagbadjer]

Yes there were allegations she was a member of the morality police, and sewed bombers into suicide vests, but the government pleads they can't tell the public, this is now a decade ago, so intelligence sources won't be so affected, if they want to remove citizenship surely the facts should be made public. My point was if they can do it to her or the Rochdale rape gang leaders, why not to others like Rashid? It's a slippery slope.

I'm happy to go down a slippery slope if it meant getting rid of every single rape gang member. But to me that's the soft option - I would hang all of them and then sleep like a baby.

[Jerboa]

I'm happy to go down a slippery slope if it meant getting rid of every single rape gang member. But to me that's the soft option - I would hang all of them and then sleep like a baby.

I second your motion! 

[bigden40]

She has dual citizenship though, so a bit different I assume ( I don't know if the other guy does it not).
But going to go into everything that's been alleged about her as there's another thread it's discussed in, but the information is available online.

She didn’t have dual citizenship.  The United Kingdom rendered her stateless claiming she was entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship through her grandparents, she was not a citizen of Bangladesh and had never been there. 

Her crimes were appalling but ultimately nevertheless I thought this was the wrong decision.  She was still our problem, and she should have returned and been dealt with appropriately by UK authorities. 

[Jerboa]

She didn’t have dual citizenship.  The United Kingdom rendered her stateless claiming she was entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship through her grandparents, she was not a citizen of Bangladesh and had never been there. 

Her crimes were appalling but ultimately nevertheless I thought this was the wrong decision.  She was still our problem, and she should have returned and been dealt with appropriately by UK authorities.

I agree with you, if she has committed heinous crimes show the public, the secrecy and underhand way the judiciary and government went about her case is wrong.

[PepeMAGA]

She didn’t have dual citizenship.  The United Kingdom rendered her stateless claiming she was entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship through her grandparents, she was not a citizen of Bangladesh and had never been there. 

Her crimes were appalling but ultimately nevertheless I thought this was the wrong decision.  She was still our problem, and she should have returned and been dealt with appropriately by UK authorities.

Oh well.

[Doc Holliday]

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[Jerboa]

I would say has the judge watched the recent film Citizen Vigilante? 

[Darren101]

I would say has the judge watched the recent film Citizen Vigilante? 

Not heard of that. Will check it out.  I liked Law Abiding Citizen, if it’s anything like that. That judge is not fit for the job and needs to be sacked.

There was a petition to get the judge sacked and that got quite a few votes.  I wonder if those lead to anything

[Jerboa]

Not heard of that. Will check it out.  I liked Law Abiding Citizen, if it’s anything like that. That judge is not fit for the job and needs to be sacked.

There was a petition to get the judge sacked and that got quite a few votes.  I wonder if those lead to anything

Spoiler alert, in the film a judge who lets off a gang of teenage migrants, calling them victims too, the vigilante injects heroin into the judge then murders the judge.

[DastardlyDick]

Not heard of that. Will check it out.  I liked Law Abiding Citizen, if it’s anything like that. That judge is not fit for the job and needs to be sacked.

There was a petition to get the judge sacked and that got quite a few votes.  I wonder if those lead to anything

It's near impossible to sack judges.
High Court Judges and above: They cannot simply be sacked by the government. They can only be removed from office by the monarch following a formal address passed by both Houses of Parliament.
Circuit and District Judges: They can be removed by the Lord Chancellor, but only with the agreement of the Lord Chief Justice. Dismissals are handled through the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office, which investigates complaints of misconduct and can recommend removal for breaches like gross misconduct.

[timsussex]

A few district judges have been sacked  even then it needs to be something pretty bad like sexual assault of employees
High court judges are at best persuaded to take early retirement the only dismissal I could find was in 1834

However I do support the idea of an independent judiciary so while I disapprove of the judge in this case I certainly wouldnt want a politician to decide

[Blackpool Rock]

Not heard of that. Will check it out.  I liked Law Abiding Citizen, if it’s anything like that. That judge is not fit for the job and needs to be sacked.

There was a petition to get the judge sacked and that got quite a few votes.  I wonder if those lead to anything

I suspect that Judges are one of those professions who "Close ranks" to protect each other even if they suspect wrongdoing just like the medical profession though that does seem to have softened over recent years

I think the question is that with the same evidence and sentencing guidelines to try and maintain consistency and fairness to both victims and those convicted how on earth can two different judges deliver such a different sentence 
OK so the 2nd judge will have been under pressure to actually deal with it fairly harshly but even so 

[Jerboa]

A few district judges have been sacked  even then it needs to be something pretty bad like sexual assault of employees
High court judges are at best persuaded to take early retirement the only dismissal I could find was in 1834

However I do support the idea of an independent judiciary so while I disapprove of the judge in this case I certainly wouldnt want a politician to decide

Unfortunately the judiciary like so many other parts of the state have become indoctrinated my cultural marxist woke DEI dogma. They need reforming, justice is no longer blind.

[Darren101]

It's near impossible to sack judges.
High Court Judges and above: They cannot simply be sacked by the government. They can only be removed from office by the monarch following a formal address passed by both Houses of Parliament.
Circuit and District Judges: They can be removed by the Lord Chancellor, but only with the agreement of the Lord Chief Justice. Dismissals are handled through the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office, which investigates complaints of misconduct and can recommend removal for breaches like gross misconduct.

That actually explains some of the petition wording.  There's more than one of them. One is to suspend the judge. Another to have him investigated