Author Topic: The Retreat of Reason - and the Rise of Irrationality  (Read 3072 times)

Offline Vice Admiral

The thing that most of these conspiracy theories / theorists seem to do is to pick up on 1 single or specific thing that's perhaps unclear or hard to explain rationally (until a proper scientific reason is given but by then they are too far down the rabbit hole to get back out) but they then reconstruct every other piece of fact and information to fit in with their warped view and theory.
Effectively they try to reshape the entire world to fit in with their 1 theory or opinion

That's it in a nutshell.

It’s the selectivity.  It’s the absolute refusal to consider evidence that contradicts, or to follow the principle that, as John Maynard Keynes probably never said, “When the facts change, I change my mind.” 

Whenever I unearth an intriguing possible fact, I investigate thoroughly.  That doesn’t make me special or clever.  In the age of the internet, it’s easy.  We’re very lucky.  And it is – surely? – the obvious think to do when presented with surprising information.

But conspiracy theorists don’t do it.  Their minds are closed.

Anyway, an update from the world of unreason.

Yesterday my conspiracy theorist friend (CTF) told me that the “next big thing” is going to be a world-wide panic about aliens.  This will be caused by the full facts about alien activity on Earth being released in order to distract attention from the Epstein files. 

I should stress, to any who might suspect that he sounds certifiable, that my CTF is a successful and entirely “normal” man who earns a good living in a demanding profession.

Anyway, aliens. My CTF offered the usual stuff, much of which involves Peru, for some reason.  (Why do so many aliens visit Peru?  What’s wrong with Wigan?)

Scientists have explained / debunked / rebutted all this, but conspiracy theorists never want to take the further step of seeing their beliefs challenged.  In any case, the said scientists are – of course – all working for the Deep State.

After our conversation I sent my friend this link, saying that, if he wanted to “take a brief trip into the realms of rationality (not, I know, territory where you are ever truly comfortable)”, he might like to read the article:
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I commend it to others.

So, no, I’m not in the least worried about the possibility of encountering aliens on Southsea sea-front or in Leigh Park shopping centre.

But the fact that, according to a YouGov poll last year, 47% of Americans believe that aliens have definitely or probably visited Earth at some point? 

Now that is absolutely fucking terrifying.

(Almost as disturbing, incidentally, is the fact that, by comparison, only 22% of Americans believe in the Loch Ness monster, which certainly does exist.  I’ve seen the evidence.)

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Offline Vice Admiral

My conspiracy theorist friend has e-mailed me to say:  "They [aliens] exist. NASA even released photos which show triangular lights on a craft watching Neil Armstrong on the moon."

To which I pointed out that he has always asserted that the 1969 moon landing was faked.

Irrationalists can't even be consistent in their irrationality!

Offline Mr Garmin

Well you either believe that man landed on the moon and that aliens exist because NASA have said so or that neither of those things are true.

Works both ways you conspiracy theorist you.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

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Well, its quite possibele that there are somethings we dont yet understand about our world, i mean just go back a hundred years and some of the things we take for granted today would seem very wierd.

However why is it that  you never seen aliens wandering down Watford high street on a saturday afternoon not uttering "take me to your leader", well can't anyway as we havent got one but plenty of loose wimmen around, far more fun!.

However whan you consider the distances from us to well anywhere out in space its a wonder of anyone could ever cover those distances to get to the neaersat star 4.4 light years away!.

Maybe someone has found how to travel faster than light?

It is known thay went to the moon, some tests were dont of the distance and location fo the radio transmissins back then and note the Russians never said that didnt..did they!?..

Offline Vice Admiral

Well you either believe that man landed on the moon and that aliens exist because NASA have said so or that neither of those things are true.

Works both ways you conspiracy theorist you.

To clarify my position on aliens.

Like NASA, I think it is highly likely that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.  In view of the fact that there are apparently some 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe, only a fool would think otherwise.

However I take the view that it is all but inconceivable that aliens have ever visited Earth.
 
According to Google AI, NASA agrees:  “NASA does not officially believe that aliens have visited Earth. While NASA actively searches for signs of microbial or intelligent extraterrestrial life, they maintain there is no evidence that alien life has ever visited our planet. NASA scientists generally consider the likelihood of, and evidence for, such visits to be extremely low.”

Offline Squire Haggard

To clarify my position on aliens.

Like NASA, I think it is highly likely that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.  In view of the fact that there are apparently some 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe, only a fool would think otherwise.

However I take the view that it is all but inconceivable that aliens have ever visited Earth.
 
According to Google AI, NASA agrees:  “NASA does not officially believe that aliens have visited Earth. While NASA actively searches for signs of microbial or intelligent extraterrestrial life, they maintain there is no evidence that alien life has ever visited our planet. NASA scientists generally consider the likelihood of, and evidence for, such visits to be extremely low.”
Were we the first to visit the Moon?
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Offline Iamforreal

As I said before I do hope that in my lifetime we do discover alien life in the universe, be it microbial, intelligent, whatever.
We can't be alone, can we?  :)

Offline Vice Admiral

As I said before I do hope that in my lifetime we do discover alien life in the universe, be it microbial, intelligent, whatever.
We can't be alone, can we?  :)

As I said in post #54, it is highly likely that there is life elsewhere in the universe.  It would be very surprising if there weren't.

Sadly, however – apart from perhaps discovering microbial life on some planet or moon in our solar system – the distances involved are too great for us to come "face-to-face" with it.  (Probably just as well.  Certainly for its sake, and possibly for ours!)

Our best bet is that we might one day detect alien communications.  Google AI has this:  "Earth is currently capable of receiving alien communications, and scientists are actively looking for them using radio telescopes and optical detectors. While no conclusive extraterrestrial communication has been detected yet, researchers are refining methods to detect both intentional, high-power signals and unintentional 'leakage' from other civilisations."