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Offline DastardlyDick

To play devil's advocate, at what point would you remove him? 6th? 5th? 3rd? Will's side of the family often travel together.
I think they pass the legislation as a matter of sensible tidying up, set the precedent (or reiterate it) and move on. It's only a big deal if people make it a big deal

I haven't seen the proposal, but I would make it non specific, so that if a Royal brings the Crown into disrepute they are automatically removed from the succession. Who knows, if that had been in place AMW might not have got involved with Epstein in the first place?  :unknown:

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Mandelson just been nabbed.

The rozzers can compare notes with AMWs questioning
Me thinks he's much more likely to spill the beans [than AMW]
He doesn't have The Firm on his side
Time for a plea bargain ?

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The rozzers can compare notes with AMWs questioning
Me thinks he's much more likely to spill the beans [than AMW]
He doesn't have The Firm on his side
Time for a plea bargain ?

Bear in mind that the offences in the UK for both relates to sharing classified information with Epstein for which the emails released are actual evidence of wrongdoing.  So what would they be plea bargaining about?

The files haven’t really provided much insight on sexual offences, much of what’s in there is hearsay and would require witness testimony before charges could be brought, but those would likely be US offences.  I don’t think there was evidence of sexual offences in the UK, the women that AMW allegedly shagged in the UK were adults. 

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They could grass on others.
I bet they both know where some bodies are buried  :hi:

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Bear in mind that the offences in the UK for both relates to sharing classified information with Epstein for which the emails released are actual evidence of wrongdoing.  So what would they be plea bargaining about?

The files haven’t really provided much insight on sexual offences, much of what’s in there is hearsay and would require witness testimony before charges could be brought, but those would likely be US offences.  I don’t think there was evidence of sexual offences in the UK, the women that AMW allegedly shagged in the UK were adults.

The classified info stuff is but a starter there's Mandy accepting 75k + whatever else comes out
Minge benefits springs to mind provided by JE
Mandy plea bargaining on just about everything if the rozzers & CPS really get going

As for the women AMW alledgedly shagged depends on their age & trafficking casts a long shadow after the age of consent


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As for the women AMW alledgedly shagged depends on their age & trafficking casts a long shadow after the age of consent
AMW is between a rock and a hard place - if it is proven that any of the women he allegedly shagged were under age (which varies by State and Country), he's a peado, if it's proven they were trafficked, he's a rapist, if he gave information to Epstein he's a fraudster.I
Mandelson is the same if Epstein supplied him with men.
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This should be the next arrest

Wonder if they will go after, Sarah-Ferguson, depending on what she know, and when she knew of anything, and finally was she involved

Offline Blackpool Rock

Friendship? It looks like she, Epstein, Maxwell and the Andrew formally known as prince were in some kind of partner swapping merry-go-round, with the ginger moneysponge actually playing hostess at some of the Epstein events. Add to that the daughters being taken along as well and you do get the impression that they may well have been pimped out at these events by the Duchess
Well there was the recent release where she went to see Epstein a few days after his release and said i'll bring the kids, cause yeah you'd naturally take your kids along for a visit to a sex offender / trafficker / pimp / whatever just after he gets released from the nick  :scare:

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The files haven’t really provided much insight on sexual offences, much of what’s in there is hearsay and would require witness testimony before charges could be brought, but those would likely be US offences.  I don’t think there was evidence of sexual offences in the UK, the women that AMW allegedly shagged in the UK were adults.

I can’t see much likelihood of Andrew being charged with any sexual offences. 

Yes, there is a grey area relating to Virginia Giuffre.  If Epstein paid for her to have sex with Andrew in England when she was 17, that is below the age at which prostitution is legal.  But any such case, already pretty thin, would presumably be unviable now that Epstein and Giuffre are both dead.

There remains the question of this woman:
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But I can’t see this amounting to much. This woman was in her twenties and, even if Epstein paid and there is potential for an offence involving trafficking, the trafficker would have been Epstein; and surely no-one would pursue such a meagre case, regardless of who the offender might be.

So unless, say, something turns up on Andrew’s computer – and the communications we have seen of his about young women have been discreet and allusive – the only cases that may come to court are those involving possible misconduct in public office.

It is difficult to overstate how jaw-dropping is what has already been revealed – and how profoundly shocking for a cabinet minister and a prince separately to have shared sensitive and confidential financial information with any outsider, let alone someone who was clearly of questionable probity.

Nonetheless, the offences are probably at the lower end of the “corruption” scale.

I think it not impossible that the two men might be sentenced to two to five years in prison.

Quite apart from anything else, the police have – like the Grand Old Duke of York (him again!) – already marched half way up to the top of the hill.  They would look pretty foolish and negligent if no charges followed: “When they were only halfway up / They were neither up nor down.”

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I can’t see much likelihood of Andrew being charged with any sexual offences. 

Yes, there is a grey area relating to Virginia Giuffre.  If Epstein paid for her to have sex with Andrew in England when she was 17, that is below the age at which prostitution is legal.  But any such case, already pretty thin, would presumably be unviable now that Epstein and Giuffre are both dead.

There remains the question of this woman:
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But I can’t see this amounting to much. This woman was in her twenties and, even if Epstein paid and there is potential for an offence involving trafficking, the trafficker would have been Epstein; and surely no-one would pursue such a meagre case, regardless of who the offender might be.

So unless, say, something turns up on Andrew’s computer – and the communications we have seen of his about young women have been discreet and allusive – the only cases that may come to court are those involving possible misconduct in public office.

It is difficult to overstate how jaw-dropping is what has already been revealed – and how profoundly shocking for a cabinet minister and a prince separately to have shared sensitive and confidential financial information with any outsider, let alone someone who was clearly of questionable probity.

Nonetheless, the offences are probably at the lower end of the “corruption” scale.

I think it not impossible that the two men might be sentenced to two to five years in prison.

Quite apart from anything else, the police have – like the Grand Old Duke of York (him again!) – already marched half way up to the top of the hill.  They would look pretty foolish and negligent if no charges followed: “When they were only halfway up / They were neither up nor down.”

That’s a good analysis. I agree.

I think people are missing just how significant some of the non-sexual information in the files are. 

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That’s a good analysis. I agree.

I think people are missing just how significant some of the non-sexual information in the files are.

Correct. The treasonous behaviour is shocking, and in different times would have these characters executed.
There's also the other current news stories getting very little air time whilst this is being reported.

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This should be the next arrest

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Yep
Two breaches of the law here
AMW sharing the info
& Rowland using it
The Treasury briefing is very privileged info
The $64k question which should be asked [to both AMW & Rowland] is what did AMW get in return ?
It could be indirect AMW tips off JE should he be interested in investing [edit: or one of his contacts chums doing the same], he's gotta finance his lavish lifestyle
& so JE provides AMW PJs young uns free run on paedo island & in New York
I'm only theorising however unless some benefit for AMW as he's supposedly a selfish self centred cunt he would be unlikely to make the effort
Not hard to work out that The Treasury felt under pressure to give the briefing to AMW as if it was anyone else requesting they'd be asking why [they should have anyways]
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That arresting (in two senses) female detective who removed Peter Mandelson from his house yesterday can put me in handcuffs and drive me off to an unknown destination whenever she likes!

But I suspect that the fragrant Mandy may have been immune to her charms...

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That arresting (in two senses) female detective who removed Peter Mandelson from his house yesterday can put me in handcuffs and drive me off to an unknown destination whenever she likes!

But I suspect that the fragrant Mandy may have been immune to her charms...

Yes please so very arresting

As for Mandy his Lawyers have chucked their toys outta the pram
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Mandelson’s lawyers say police arrest was over ‘baseless’ claim he planned to leave UK

Shows to me that his legal firm MDR have zero moral compass
& plans afoot to do a runner just maybe
JE on the island must have been thinking WTF extra expense getting in rent boys despite there being numerous fit young uns
Extra expense & extra leverage, why not  :yahoo:

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As for Mandy his Lawyers have chucked their toys outta the pram
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Mandelson’s lawyers say police arrest was over ‘baseless’ claim he planned to leave UK


To paraphrase from another political scandal "they would say that, wouldn't they?"

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The video where Mandleson is being taken out to the car, looks to me like he is wearing a wig, surely no one in their 70’s has a head of hair like that ?

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While not being a fan of "The prince of Darkness" it does seem odd that the police decided to suddenly arrest him as the Speaker had info that he was planning to flee - leaving husband, dog etc behind. Instead of waiting until  date agreed with his legal team to interview him.

A more likely explanation is that having arrested AWM they were pressurised by media reports to follow up with Mandy rather than look too cozy with an "agreed date in March"

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While not being a fan of "The prince of Darkness" it does seem odd that the police decided to suddenly arrest him as the Speaker had info that he was planning to flee - leaving husband, dog etc behind. Instead of waiting until  date agreed with his legal team to interview him.
The husband etc could have followed at a later date, and Mandy hasn't exactly got a good reputation for his honesty, has he? The old bill were, as usual, in a "damned if you do" situation and the instruction to go and nick him would have come from a very high level.

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What gets me is that, unlike AMW, Mandy still hasn't been stripped of his official title as "The Prince of Darkness".  :angry:

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What gets me is that, unlike AMW, Mandy still hasn't been stripped of his official title as "The Prince of Darkness".  :angry:

Good point.  From now on he should correctly be known as Mr Mandelson-Darkness.

His position in the line of succession to be next Labour leader must now be impossibly remote, so I don't think that need concern us.

Except ... the way things are going, who knows?

Indeed, which would you rather have?  Wes Streeting or Mandy?  It's a close call.

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What gets me is that, unlike AMW, Mandy still hasn't been stripped of his official title as "The Prince of Darkness".  :angry:
Maybe they'll change it to  "The Ponce of D Wing"  :unknown:

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It is always important to have perspective. 

Last night I watched the Iraq War episode of the new three-part C4 documentary about Tony Blair.  It included a brief interview with Peter Mandelson-Darkness (with, inevitably, an apologia at the end indicating that it was filmed before his disgrace). 

He spoke lucidly and intelligently; and perhaps, even now, it is worth remembering that Mandelson-Darkness was not all bad.  Clearly dishonest behaviour when it came to his financial or personal advancement was a significant issue – and an ability to turn a blind eye to major faults of powerful men he patronised – but his contribution to the Labour Party's successes in the 1997-2010 period was immense. 

Also, to be fair, he was opposed to the Iraq War.  Google AI has this: “At the time of the 2003 Iraq war, Peter Mandelson was a vocal Labour backbencher who, despite being a close ally of Tony Blair, expressed significant reservations, calling the invasion ‘unnecessary, expensive, and illegal’. He feared the conflict was based on ‘tunnel vision’ and challenged the lack of a post-war plan.”

(Jeremy Corbyn, incidentally, was shown in the documentary, in a speech made at the time, predicting almost exactly what the outcome of the Iraq War turned out to be.)

So Mandelson-Darkness is not just a wrong ’un.  He is a substantial political figure brought low by a major fault of character.

In other words, his downfall is a tragedy, in the proper theatrical definition of the term, which Google AI summarises thus: “A tragedy dramatises the downfall of a noble protagonist through a fatal error in judgment (hamartia) or excessive pride (hubris).”

“Noble” may be going a bit far in the case of Mandelson-Darkness – but hamartia and hubris were certainly central to his and Mountbatten-Windsor’s characters.  In the latter’s case, hamartias (plural)...

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Thanks VA! I've learnt a new word. I will try very hard today to somehow use "hamartia" in a sentence.  :thumbsup:



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Yesterday, on another thread, bigden40 and scutty brown were sparring about Donald Trump’s mentality, with contributions from others, including mills_and_bhuna and Brighton Rock.  In the middle of that discussion, I posted some information about what is potentially the biggest story yet to come out of the Epstein files, and indeed is already receiving much attention in the US – namely, the evidence that Trump may, over 40 years ago, have abused a 13-year-old girl he met through Epstein, who indeed bit his penis.  (The girl, not Epstein.)

However Epstein-related matters are generally are generally dealt with on this thread or the Ghislaine Maxwell thread, so I thought I would repost here the relevant paragraphs from yesterday’s Times, for the benefit of anyone who might  be interested.  As I have indicated, this story could become massive.

More than 50 pages which the US justice department chose to withhold from the Epstein files released are said to include notes from several FBI interviews in which a woman claimed that she was abused by Trump at the age of 13 in 1983.

National Public Radio reported that 53 pages were inexplicably missing by analysing the serial numbers attached to every document in the Epstein Files archive.

The FBI’s notes on a series of interviews, which were omitted, include the uncorroborated allegation that Trump forced an Epstein victim’s head “towards his exposed penis, which she subsequently bit”.

The FBI spoke to the woman in question four times, initially in 2019.

The woman in question ultimately “refused to co-operate” in a potential investigation into Trump, an FBI agent emailed a colleague in July 2025. Trump has consistently denied any participation in or knowledge of Epstein’s crimes.

The DoJ has not responded to questions from the NPR and several Democrat senators have described the story as proof that the Epstein files have been tampered with to protect the reputation of Trump.

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Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor was unwittingly cultivated by Russian spymasters who exploited his long-standing jealousy and hatred of his brother the King - according to a top secret US intelligence report.

The former prince was targeted without his knowledge by the Kremlin through his close association with Jeffrey Epstein as a way to penetrate the British establishment, it's claimed.

Americans think he was in the pocket of both Russia and China

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Americans think he was in the pocket of both Russia and China

Americans think that everybody is in someone's pocket  :rolleyes:

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Americans think he was in the pocket of both Russia and China

Now the Mail has seen a highly classified US report being used by the US security services that lays bare how Andrew was regarded as a 'useful idiot' and the Royal family's 'weak link' by Russian agents from both hostile states.

A useful idiot indeed
He's a buffoon of the highest order
His train crash bbc interview is a perfect example
Its like what planet is he on ?
He was most certainly on lolita / paedo island as for elsewhere who knows am sure more details will keep emerging
Its only just starting the snowball is rolling down the mountain & its gonna turn into an avalanche

Even a half-wit such as AMW will recognise that Trumpy has taken him off the front pages, phew what a [temporary] relief
Time to celebrate get the valet to have a delve in the wine cellar for a particularly fine margaux & for his cook to russle up a lovely meal


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Americans think he was in the pocket of both Russia and China
Don't you ever wonder why 'top secret' US intelligence documents seem to get leaked at the most opportune moments?
Almost like Mossad and CIA are working together with selected journalists to divert attention away from somewhere else?
Very strange.

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Don't you ever wonder why 'top secret' US intelligence documents seem to get leaked at the most opportune moments?
Almost like Mossad and CIA are working together with selected journalists to divert attention away from somewhere else?
Very strange.

In this case there probably is a hidden reason for the leak: almost certainly a diversion attempt. However I still believe that the Maxwell/Epstein spy ring is a triple-cross setup of some kind, with them working for the USA, Israel and Russia (and possibly China). Yanks are beginning to understand that and are trying to disguise their tracks

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Do we believe this?

Andrew Lownie is generally regarded as a credible author, who carefully checks his sources.  On the other hand, it is fair to point out (a) that this "revelation" is included in the just-published paperback edition of his book Entitled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York, which he is keen to publicise and (b) that there is no danger whatsoever of either Diddy or Fergie, both of whom have bigger fish to fry, suing Lownie for libel.

Who knows?  It’s true that Fergie seems to have been voracious in many areas of her life.  But my first instinct with “revelations” of this kind is to err on the side of scepticism.

While on the subject of unlikely pairings by women who married useless members of the Royal Family, Tom Bower’s book Revenge: Meghan, Harry and the War between the Windsors implies that Meghan Markle – who was also apparently fairly voracious before her second marriage – had a fling with Rory McIlroy.  (Insert your own lubricious golf jokes about holes in one, driving into the rough, keeping the head down, using the big wood etc.)

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While on the subject of unlikely pairings by women who married useless members of the Royal Family, Tom Bower’s book Revenge: Meghan, Harry and the War between the Windsors implies that Meghan Markle – who was also apparently fairly voracious before her second marriage – had a fling with Rory McIlroy.  (Insert your own lubricious golf jokes about holes in one, driving into the rough, keeping the head down, using the big wood etc.)

Is she any good at gripping the shaft ?
Banged it straight down the middle ..

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If the fling did happen must have been donkeys ago
She looked FAF in her Suits days gone all skinny now
Get in Rory  :hi:


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Andrew investigations continue.... Misconduct in a public office (could of been described as treason a while back), as well as sexual impropriety. :hi:

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Andrew investigations continue.... Misconduct in a public office (could of been described as treason a while back), as well as sexual impropriety. :hi:

I think Andrew is absolutely ghastly.  He and Prince Harry have, in their different ways, done great damage to the institution of the British monarchy.  Beyond the "specifics" of the two very different cases, the way the two men have behaved suggests that, far from there being something a little "special" about senior members of the Royal Family, the brother and the son of the King are just as ordinary and flawed – indeed more so – than the man on the Clapham omnibus. 

Our monarchy is an important constitutional asset, as indeed the King's recent state visit to the United States demonstrated.  We no longer believe that monarchs have a "divine right" to rule, but it is unhelpful to the United Kingdom's status if two of the Head of State's closest relations are revealed to be worse than useless.   

Nonetheless, as I have suggested before, Andrew should (as far as possible) be treated in the same way as a minor figure accused of comparable offences.

The police should by now have all the evidence they need either to charge Andrew or to drop the case, as appropriate.

For the police to “repeat their call for anyone with information to come forward”, as the BBC website put it yesterday, suggests that the police case is fairly flimsy but that they are mustard-keen to see the former Prince in the dock – because Plod, of course, loves nothing more than giving famous people a good kicking.

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The police should by now have all the evidence they need either to charge Andrew or to drop the case, as appropriate.

For the police to “repeat their call for anyone with information to come forward”, as the BBC website put it yesterday, suggests that the police case is fairly flimsy but that they are mustard-keen to see the former Prince in the dock – because Plod, of course, loves nothing more than giving famous people a good kicking.
I believe they're trying to get an unredacted copy of the Epstein Files from the US Authorities.  :unknown:
They're not so much motivated by giving A M-W a kicking (although that will help) as being seen to have done a proper investigation. They've asked for more information because they think that people with evidence of sexual impropriety don't know that it includes those matters, not just financial stuff. I believe they're also asking for Legal guidance as to whether  M-Ws role as Trade Envoy is a "public office" or not.

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As my (middle-agéd) daughter observed, the reputation of the police in respect of sexual offences against women is so abysmal that it is unsurprising that women claiming to be victims are reluctant to report to them. Evidenced by the case of the 'Married at First  Sight' ones .

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I think Andrew is absolutely ghastly.  He and Prince Harry have, in their different ways, done great damage to the institution of the British monarchy.  Beyond the "specifics" of the two very different cases, the way the two men have behaved suggests that, far from there being something a little "special" about senior members of the Royal Family, the brother and the son of the King are just as ordinary and flawed – indeed more so – than the man on the Clapham omnibus. 

Our monarchy is an important constitutional asset, as indeed the King's recent state visit to the United States demonstrated. 

Whilst I wouldn't disagree with that viewpoint it is interesting that they both did themselves quite proud in the armed services.

Might one draw the conclusion that a military career is a good bet for social misfits ?

Sticking my neck out a bit there !

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Whilst I wouldn't disagree with that viewpoint it is interesting that they both did themselves quite proud in the armed services.

Might one draw the conclusion that a military career is a good bet for social misfits ?

Sticking my neck out a bit there !

You are right to remind us that few people are all bad.  And indeed many people have had good things to say about both Andrew and Prince Harry, although (particularly in the case of Andrew) negative opinions predominate. 

It could be argued that if the two men hadn’t been born into the royal family they would have ended up as thoroughly decent human beings.  It’s not easy to "survive" being royal.  You need to be exceptionally level-headed.

As I've observed before, I wouldn't want it.  If I were born royal, I'd sell up and buy my own remote island.  Like Jeffrey Epstein.

(Well, not quite like Jeffrey Epstein.)


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The police should by now have all the evidence they need either to charge Andrew or to drop the case, as appropriate.

For the police to “repeat their call for anyone with information to come forward”, as the BBC website put it yesterday, suggests that the police case is fairly flimsy but that they are mustard-keen to see the former Prince in the dock – because Plod, of course, loves nothing more than giving famous people a good kicking.

A report in yesterday’s Times confirms my suspicions.  Here are two paragraphs:

Police are struggling to build a case for the prosecution of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor for allegedly passing classified information to the paedophile American financier Jeffrey Epstein, the Times has been told.

Detectives at Thames Valley police are understood to be struggling to build a strong enough case to bring to prosecution because there is a “high bar” for the offence.



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A report in yesterday’s Times confirms my suspicions.  Here are two paragraphs:

Police are struggling to build a case for the prosecution of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor for allegedly passing classified information to the paedophile American financier Jeffrey Epstein, the Times has been told.

Detectives at Thames Valley police are understood to be struggling to build a strong enough case to bring to prosecution because there is a “high bar” for the offence.


I think that’s horseshit, the fix is in.  The bar isn’t that high. 

The standard is:
a) You must have made an unauthorised disclosure of information relating to security, intelligence, defence, or international relations. 
b) the disclosure must be likely to cause damage to the UK's interests or capabilities, or the discloser must have known it was capable of causing damage

Point a is pretty binary, the disclosure was classified and unauthorised or it wasn’t. Point b is the bit they have to prove, which given the nature of the disclosures shouldn’t be that hard. 
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The end of the monarchy begins here  :D

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The end of the monarchy begins here  :D

Not really, when you consider the late Queen's sister Margaret wasn't adverse to the odd controversy 70+ years ago.
It seems the 'spare' can't keep out of bother