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AW age 44, started when she was 42, been doing it 10 years. Hopefully not an accountant before her change in career, her reviews aren’t stellar despite her seeming clued up and pleasant.

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She's clearly eloquent, intelligent, thoughtful. A great representative for the industry. I'd visit her.   :)

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The reality is that some SP's when they discriminate are doing so for racist reasons (though some have other reasons)

Yes, totally agree. However. some would say it is not actually discrimination, it's something else. Not all discrimination is illegal. But it's still discrimination.
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If a brothel existed and had a sign on the doors that stated "No blacks and no Irish" I would consider that discriminatory. If one of those groups took the brothel to court, I would expect the judgement to be something similar to "Is this brothel discriminating against blacks and Irish? Yes, they are. However, the right of a woman to consent to who she will and not see supercedes this fact as sex without consent is rape, and a woman cannot be forced to have sex against her will, therefore the brothel is entitled to continue doing so. The fact that this constitutes discrimination is immaterial". I would not expect the judgement to be "This sign is not discriminatory because it involves sex work.

It's an interesting point, and I think I understand what you're getting at: Putting aside legality for a minute, and duly acknowledging that consent is sacred, you're asking is it morally right or reasonable that a sex worker can reject punters on the basis of their protected characteristics.

Flip that on its head - if you turned up at a brothel, and there were no ladies working there that matched your preference for age, ethnicity, able-bodiedness, or birth gender, would it be discriminatory of you to walk out? Let's forbid you from dodging the question by saying "my money, my choice". In other service settings, you don't get to decide, or at the least that would be incredibly poor form. At the supermarket you can't say "I don't want that cashier, she's female", at the hairdresser you can't say "I only want a white guy cutting my hair".

For me, I think that's the crux of it: you can't buy consent, even in situations where money is changing hands. If you could, then brothels and sex workers could make the opposite argument that you've paid to receive a service but have no grounds to dictate who provides it. And when 16 stone, one-legged Doris (born Dave) comes limping through the door with a smile and a wink (or is that just her glass eye?), suddenly you may not want that tie and tease session with mutual oral that you just paid for...

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There are professions, services provided for which cultural knowledge and experience,.as well as other demographics may be a deciding factor in whether the professional and or customer feel able to engage. The professional may recommend someone with sufficient knowledge of cultural context, and or the client may express this in a reasonable, open conversation.



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“For every genuine client that come alone there are probably nine people contacting you at least who are not genuine and don’t ever intend to make a booking."

I am bit surprised by this ratio.”

Sorry for copying but new and don’t know how to reply to comments ( yet ) or because I am new I don’t have the option.

100% accurate , doing the call center for Outcall independent’s and Agencies for quite a long time now I can say is Very True Statement :
from 10 callers :
- 5 will want pics and videos , without even booking once ( wankers )
- 2 will just waste time by giving false addresses and booking without being there
- 1 definitely will want discounted rates ( the phrase : “please , please for me, is my first time” or another nonsense 
- 1 from 10 will always want to book , but 3 guys for the price of 1 , 2 guys for the price of 1 even heard 6 …( every night was at least one : “ actually we are 3 , could we divide the time ? )

AND JUST 1 person be actual a Punter that is interested and ask the right questions ( price , pics , services ,) gives the address and books in within 3 minutes.


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“For every genuine client that come alone there are probably nine people contacting you at least who are not genuine and don’t ever intend to make a booking."

I am bit surprised by this ratio.”

Sorry for copying but new and don’t know how to reply to comments ( yet ) or because I am new I don’t have the option.

100% accurate , doing the call center for Outcall independent’s and Agencies for quite a long time now I can say is Very Accurate :
from 10 callers :
- 5 will want pics and videos , without even booking once ( wankers )
- 2 will just waste time by giving false addresses and booking without being there
- 1 definitely will want discounted rates ( the phrase : “please , please for me, is my first time” or another nonsense 
- 1 from 10 will always want to book , but 3 guys for the price of 1 , 2 guys for the price of 1 even heard 6 …( every night was at least one : “ actually we are 3 , could we divide the time ? )

AND JUST 1 person be actual a Punter that is interested and ask the right questions ( price , pics , services ,) gives the address and books in within 3 minutes.

When I am looking for a meeting I will be considering multiple options. I am not timewasting by asking for the price and services from 3 or more providers, am I? If I've not made a booking I am looking at what's available and whether I want to pay what they are asking for the services they are offering. Often I contact someone expecting to make a booking then find out it is extra for every possible thing so don't book. That's not timewasting but is seemingly considered to be contact from a timewaster because I haven't booked "within 3 minutes".  :dash:

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It's an interesting point, and I think I understand what you're getting at: Putting aside legality for a minute, and duly acknowledging that consent is sacred, you're asking is it morally right or reasonable that a sex worker can reject punters on the basis of their protected characteristics.

Flip that on its head - if you turned up at a brothel, and there were no ladies working there that matched your preference for age, ethnicity, able-bodiedness, or birth gender, would it be discriminatory of you to walk out? Let's forbid you from dodging the question by saying "my money, my choice". In other service settings, you don't get to decide, or at the least that would be incredibly poor form. At the supermarket you can't say "I don't want that cashier, she's female", at the hairdresser you can't say "I only want a white guy cutting my hair".


For me, I think that's the crux of it: you can't buy consent, even in situations where money is changing hands. If you could, then brothels and sex workers could make the opposite argument that you've paid to receive a service but have no grounds to dictate who provides it. And when 16 stone, one-legged Doris (born Dave) comes limping through the door with a smile and a wink (or is that just her glass eye?), suddenly you may not want that tie and tease session with mutual oral that you just paid for...


Interesting point of view .
Still…
If they had bad experiences ( and most of them had ) , like physical abuse , robed, raped, money taken back and the list goes on , and more than half are not being reported just to don’t get them into troubles , I think they can still choose who they can reject , I know I am generalising, but if you ask all the ones that you will attend , each one of them will say that a group they will not serve ( doesn’t matters the race or nationality ) is : the one that they had a really bad experience with.

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When I am looking for a meeting I will be considering multiple options. I am not timewasting by asking for the price and services from 3 or more providers, am I? If I've not made a booking I am looking at what's available and whether I want to pay what they are asking for the services they are offering. Often I contact someone expecting to make a booking then find out it is extra for every possible thing so don't book. That's not timewasting but is seemingly considered to be contact from a timewaster because I haven't booked "within 3 minutes".  :dash:

Asking for information and searching for the Right one is not a timewasting , but asking one more pic one more pic and … you guessed right one more pic … and even though the list of prices and services was provided from the start , you will ask again for all the extras to be included , and after you receive all your answers and agree for the booking you still want “ one more pic and one more vid “ and still don’t provide your address…
I have plenty of experience to distinguish an undecided person from a time waster : the difference is in my opinion , that at the end you still want an encounter,  just wanting more options that suits your needs , the other one just want to chat , sextext ,brag , ask for free material… without ever intending to spend a penny

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But reading your post again , I truly don’t believe you are in Timewasters category , just in the ones that always ask first discounted rates , as you said asking for different services included , and searching for better options. The problem is not the picture or the provider but rater the price . And without a hard bargain…

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I saw her before I was a member here – and a very enjoyable time I had too!

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It's an interesting point, and I think I understand what you're getting at: Putting aside legality for a minute, and duly acknowledging that consent is sacred, you're asking is it morally right or reasonable that a sex worker can reject punters on the basis of their protected characteristics.

Pretty much. Discrimination is discrimination. It does not matter how you dress it up. You can call it preference. You can call it personal choice. It can be legally permissible (sexual realm) or illegal (pretty much any other case). It can even be positive like affirmative action. It can be by a minority group against a majority one, or vice versa. None of these change the fact that it is still discrimination.

Affirmative action is interesting as it discriminates against a majority group in favour of a minority one by legally allowing an employer (in practice) to choose a non-white candidate over a white one. In some cases it is even mandated. Is this discrimination? Yes, it is. Quite often I find that the people who are not being discriminated against tend to brush it off. Why wouldn't they? It doesn't affect them, so they don't see it as an issue.

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Flip that on its head - if you turned up at a brothel, and there were no ladies working there that matched your preference for age, ethnicity, able-bodiedness, or birth gender, would it be discriminatory of you to walk out? Let's forbid you from dodging the question by saying "my money, my choice". In other service settings, you don't get to decide, or at the least that would be incredibly poor form. At the supermarket you can't say "I don't want that cashier, she's female", at the hairdresser you can't say "I only want a white guy cutting my hair".

Yes, it would be discriminatory of me to walk out. I am not immune to discriminating against others. I do not think I have ever seen a Romanian SP (yet). A large part of that is because of the negative experiences written on this forum about them and the pervasive view that they give bad service. Is that all Romanians? I am sure it isn't. Am I discriminating against them? Absolutely. If I do see one who gives me an incredible experience, would I continue to discriminate against Romanians as a whole? Most likely. I recognise this as personal choice, which is an inalienable right. But I can also see that it is discriminatory. Two things can be true at the same time.

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For me, I think that's the crux of it: you can't buy consent, even in situations where money is changing hands. If you could, then brothels and sex workers could make the opposite argument that you've paid to receive a service but have no grounds to dictate who provides it. And when 16 stone, one-legged Doris (born Dave) comes limping through the door with a smile and a wink (or is that just her glass eye?), suddenly you may not want that tie and tease session with mutual oral that you just paid for...

Yup. No dissent on this point from me on this point.

Interesting point of view .
Still…
If they had bad experiences ( and most of them had ) , like physical abuse , robed, raped, money taken back and the list goes on , and more than half are not being reported just to don’t get them into troubles , I think they can still choose who they can reject , I know I am generalising, but if you ask all the ones that you will attend , each one of them will say that a group they will not serve ( doesn’t matters the race or nationality ) is : the one that they had a really bad experience with.

Agreed. Whatever my personal view is on discrimination, I unequivocally support an SP's right to choose. I personally tend to avoid SPs who discriminate, whether or not it applies to me. I do not expect everyone to take this stance, maybe that makes me a fool. Some SPs have changed their mind and decided to see me even though I do not meet their criteria, without any prompting or additional contact from me. The reasons have ranged from I sound nice and polite, I am well-spoken, to something as simple as I seem sincere or I have good energy/give off a good vibe. If something as simple as being polite changes an SP's mind about who they see, I can understand why some people feel it is not discrimination. On the other hand, there are plenty who won't change their mind under any circumstances, which is their right.

Separately, while I have been attempting to educate myself more on this and reading some other threads on this topic, I noticed that I had omitted to consider the financial angle from an SPs point of view. I think in 2021 based on census data the UK is somewhere between 80-85% white. Of course this is skewed in certain towns, but they are outliers. If an SP said "I do not see white men because of a previous bad experience" they stand to suffer financially. That does not mean that it has not happened. It probably has happened more from this group than from the others simply due to the size of the demographic. But the hit to the finances is too strong to ignore. South Asians is far less, around 10%. This is still a sizeable chunk, and may depend where the SP is situated, but it is big enough to cause an impact, albeit a much smaller one. So this it happens less to this group. The Black population registers around 4%. Whether the bad experience line is true, or there is some other reason, an SP can reasonably assume that they can afford to not service this group without it having much impact on their earnings. They are pretty much incentivised to discriminate here. Would I do the same if I was an SP? Most likely.

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Gallery pictures do look like her.
I’ve added to my hot list. Ideal booking, intelligent and full of sex appeal

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I’ve added to my hot list. Ideal booking, intelligent and full of sex appeal

No is not the incentive reason … as most of them charge a standard price , as long s if a Punter pay the fee that the agree upon, with services or not , it will not be the incentive reason. It will be the Scaremonger among them more : I can easily tell 3 postcodes in London where there where beaten, robed and maybe raped ( not sure about the last one ) , all around SE London , and for that reason ,after most of them heard the stories avoid some particular areas and some groups. 100% sure nobody was arrested . Just ask any of the girls and 9 of 10 girls will say I don’t enter / service X.

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Wow I never knew there was ‘WOKE’ punting now lmao. An SP can see whoever the heck she pleases

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Wow I never knew there was ‘WOKE’ punting now lmao. An SP can see whoever the heck she pleases
It's always been the case.  :unknown:

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It's always been the case.  :unknown:

Is no Woke or no movement that I know … is just a general opinion

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Is no Woke or no movement that I know … is just a general opinion
I have re-read this post several times, and still do not understand it  :unknown:

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I have re-read this post several times, and still do not understand it  :unknown:

It jumped from one comment to another: that the main point got lost on the way  :D

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Asking for information and searching for the Right one is not a timewasting , but asking one more pic one more pic and … you guessed right one more pic … and even though the list of prices and services was provided from the start , you will ask again for all the extras to be included , and after you receive all your answers and agree for the booking you still want “ one more pic and one more vid “ and still don’t provide your address…
I have plenty of experience to distinguish an undecided person from a time waster : the difference is in my opinion , that at the end you still want an encounter,  just wanting more options that suits your needs , the other one just want to chat , sextext ,brag , ask for free material… without ever intending to spend a penny

I'm glad you've qualified this, you sounded like you have good experience and insight. Some enquirers ask questions for days, weeks, months years, just a quick question. I appreciate some punters take time and courage, but messages such as 'I'm starting to warm to you' after two years of asking questions unknown:.

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Did she state that 9 out 10 callers were timewasters ? Gobsmacked to hear it is that high. A question to the SP's on here... does this figure decrease over time when you find 'regulars' ?

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Did she state that 9 out 10 callers were timewasters ? Gobsmacked to hear it is that high. A question to the SP's on here... does this figure decrease over time when you find 'regulars' ?

Finding regulars doesn't stop difficult enquiries, the enquiries are still there but over time some may tire and move on, but then new ones appear. This week two separate TWs phoned me from what is now the 5th number they've each used to contact me, one in 1 year the other over 2 years.
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Finding regulars doesn't stop difficult enquiries, the enquiries are still there but over time some may tire and move on, but then new ones appear. This week two separate TWs phoned me from what is now the 5th number they've each used to contact me, one in 1 year the other over 2 years.
OMG, yet still the majority of SP's greet me with a smile. It's probably more relief than anything that i actually turned up ! I always turn up to a booking, and have only ever been late once. Several years ago i ventured down to London, and got ghosted by an SP on arrival. Luckily i had a plan B, but what with negotiating several tube lines and no reception on mobile, i eventually arrived there about 20 minutes late. She kept asking where i was, and i didn't know. Anyway, she kept her patience, and understood my predicament on arrival. Oh, and thanks for the reply Strawberry, appreciated. :drinks:
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OMG, yet still the majority of SP's greet me with a smile. It's probably more relief than anything that i actually turned up ! I always turn up to a booking, and have only ever been late once. Several years ago i ventured down to London, and got ghosted by an SP on arrival. Luckily i had a plan B, but what with negotiating several tube lines and no reception on mobile, i eventually arrived there about 20 minutes late. She kept asking where i was, and i didn't know. Anyway, she kept her patience, and understood my predicament on arrival. Oh, and thanks for the reply Strawberry, appreciated. :drinks:

Some supposed punters will say they are on their way, on their way, around the corner for 40 minutes after their appointment time.

SP has no way of knowing.

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Some supposed punters will say they are on their way, on their way, around the corner for 40 minutes after their appointment time.

SP has no way of knowing.
Some guys hobbies are football, fishing, golf etc. And sadly some guys hobbies are pissing off WG's

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Did she state that 9 out 10 callers were timewasters ? Gobsmacked to hear it is that high. A question to the SP's on here... does this figure decrease over time when you find 'regulars' ?

For me, and I can only talk for myself, the ratio I feel is less than that, more of a 6 out of 10 ratio which has in general decreased over time, although it has little spikes, however it also depends on your definition of a TW.

Someone who messages to ask my availability over the next week or that day but doesn't go on to book, I wouldn't class as a TW because my availability clearly didn't match his, however if he had said are you available for an hour on A, B or C at A or B time it would have been a better way to ask.

Some SP will class the 1st as a timewaster, but not the second.

When the ratio goes up is when I go on a tour to a new area, then its more like 15 to 1 because the first 24 hours are full on TW madness  :lol:
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Finding regulars doesn't stop difficult enquiries, the enquiries are still there but over time some may tire and move on, but then new ones appear. This week two separate TWs phoned me from what is now the 5th number they've each used to contact me, one in 1 year the other over 2 years.

No it doesn’t … I do the reception for the last 8 years , so apparently the numbers have increased year by year … had night that I spoke with more than 100 persons and just 6 booked , from this numbers could be that a number where the undecided ones , or the ones that didn’t liked prices , services , pics … but most of them where just playing around asking for more pictures and providing false addresses… Lots of  Timewasters  are taking the phone numbers and think is Tinder or Sexchat , sending they’re nude pics 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

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Good interview! To flip the coin and see the other end of the industry, watch this Asian ‘rapper’ in London who apparently has girls working for him on Adultwork and also an online agency

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The main interview is enlightening and for the most part she represents a lot of the women I have met.

The interview with the Asian Pimp is repulsive and it's the reason why politicians are trying to force through legislation to criminalise the hobby.

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The main interview is enlightening and for the most part she represents a lot of the women I have met.

The interview with the Asian Pimp is repulsive and it's the reason why politicians are trying to force through legislation to criminalise the hobby.

In the last years , especially after Covid period, with OFans and so much social media … compared with 10-12 years ago , everyone has a mini computer in they’r pocket … so SP are getting more information, can easily reach for support or help … , are very very rare the cases when somebody is forcing someone’s else to do this job … most of them for financial reasons and background… even spoke with a few they where paying for tuition, .
The Asin pimp from the video spoke from the past …a long ling time ago :)… and with the stories that they are forcing them keeping them drugged etc… customers will definitely notice and speak further ,

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In the last years , especially after Covid period, with OFans and so much social media … compared with 10-12 years ago , everyone has a mini computer in they’r pocket … so SP are getting more information, can easily reach for support or help … , are very very rare the cases when somebody is forcing someone’s else to do this job … most of them for financial reasons and background… even spoke with a few they where paying for tuition, .
The Asin pimp from the video spoke from the past …a long ling time ago :)… and with the stories that they are forcing them keeping them drugged etc… customers will definitely notice and speak further ,

I try not to disagree with a fellow SP on here but imo you are delusional if you actually believe the bit you typed in bold.

You really need to become better informed, support for sex workers, especially those of other nationalities than British  and those not first language English is not readily available or easy to access in many cases.
Trafficking and exploitation of women into sex work is an ongoing issue in the UK and thats why most UK police forces have dedicated units specializing in dealing with it, in some of the larger cities its rife.

Just remember that just because you don't see it, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen  :hi:

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Did she state that 9 out 10 callers were timewasters ? Gobsmacked to hear it is that high. A question to the SP's on here... does this figure decrease over time when you find 'regulars' ?

When I put 'available today' on, I get about 70 emails and I'd say only 3 have managed to actually read my profile out of those.

When I reply to the ones who do seem genuine, just a bit confused, I'd say that number goes up to about 8.

I've had 1 no show in the last 3 years, but my profile heavily weeds TWers out (I don't show my number, clients must have escort feedback, etc). I know people who do phone only Comms have a lot more TWers but likely have more enquiries also.

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In the last years , especially after Covid period, with OFans and so much social media … compared with 10-12 years ago , everyone has a mini computer in they’r pocket … so SP are getting more information, can easily reach for support or help … , are very very rare the cases when somebody is forcing someone’s else to do this job … most of them for financial reasons and background… even spoke with a few they where paying for tuition, .
The Asin pimp from the video spoke from the past …a long ling time ago :)… and with the stories that they are forcing them keeping them drugged etc… customers will definitely notice and speak further ,
Sorry but you are deluded. Sexual exploitation and trafficking is an ongoing problem. This is just one example from the North East. Raids happen regularly.

May 2025 - "Ten arrests over alleged sex worker exploitation".
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Sorry but you are deluded. Sexual exploitation and trafficking is an ongoing problem. This is just one example from the North East. Raids happen regularly.

May 2025 - "Ten arrests over alleged sex worker exploitation".
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Maybe on Incall the cases are much higher , because it can be controlled , and they don’t have so much acces to Outdoor … but on Outcall 100% the cases are rarely… What I said was related to Outcall agencys / independents where I have experience, not on Incall .
I am not delusional as I do reception as a job and spoke and still speak with lots of SP … in my contacts I have at least a few hundreds without exaggerating, and last story was at least 5 years ago .. again I am only speaking form the point of view of Outcall , nothing to do with flats and houses or “squares “ .

From the estimate 100k involved in SP in U.K , I just can Imagine that there is a small percentage of girls that are forced . 

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I try not to disagree with a fellow SP on here but imo you are delusional if you actually believe the bit you typed in bold.

You really need to become better informed, support for sex workers, especially those of other nationalities than British  and those not first language English is not readily available or easy to access in many cases.
Trafficking and exploitation of women into sex work is an ongoing issue in the UK and thats why most UK police forces have dedicated units specializing in dealing with it, in some of the larger cities its rife.

Just remember that just because you don't see it, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen  :hi:

I didn’t wrote it on bold letters, just came up like this , than with or without english typing on Google it will auto translate … no need to speak english … 
As a “ fellow SP “ how many did you knew ? If I ever where to know one , wouldn’t it be logical to try to help her , even indirectly by anonymously informing the police ?

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Maybe on Incall the cases are much higher , because it can be controlled , and they don’t have so much acces to Outdoor … but on Outcall 100% the cases are rarely… What I said was related to Outcall agencys / independents where I have experience, not on Incall .
I am not delusional as I do reception as a job and spoke and still speak with lots of SP … in my contacts I have at least a few hundreds without exaggerating, and last story was at least 5 years ago .. again I am only speaking form the point of view of Outcall , nothing to do with flats and houses or “squares “ .

From the estimate 100k involved in SP in U.K , I just can Imagine that there is a small percentage of girls that are forced . 

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Your link even gives abuse as one of the reasons for prostitution. -

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There is a strong correlation with homelessness, sexual abuse, violence at home, runaways, drug use, time in care, poverty, debt, and poor education. As well as drawing individuals into the sex industry, these social factors can also be significant barriers to exiting.

Women often feel powerless, isolated, excluded, vulnerable, marginalised, and trapped."-

To think traffickers or those coercing women only offer incalls is even more delusional, you seen to think that anyone trafficked or coerced is kept locked up in a flat or house, this is not the case, a lot of the time they are controlled by fear.

I know the Romanian brothels raided in my area offered outcalls as well as incalls but the raids had to take place at the base premises.

I would have thought that any decent escort would be aware of and look out for anything that doesn't look right in the industry, I have had reports sent to me by escorts who have seen posts on here that they think might indicate trafficking and we have encouraged the poster to inform the authorities.

Sometimes working escorts are the ones forcing another woman into prostitution, I know of such a case in my area and the girl being forced was underage.

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But reading your post again , I truly don’t believe you are in Timewasters category , just in the ones that always ask first discounted rates , as you said asking for different services included , and searching for better options. The problem is not the picture or the provider but rater the price . And without a hard bargain…

Where do you think I asked for discounted rates?  :unknown:

My point was that if I as an individual punter ask 3 providers about service, rates, location then by booking one of them then I am obviously not booking the other two. If the two I didn't book are expecting "a booking within 3 minutes" to prove I am not a timewaster then they have made a mistake in that conclusion.

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Could possibly be this SP?

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She said in video she was 52 and profile age says 44. However what an amazing honest and informative interview

Offline Ivor Hunch

As you don't understand the difference between individual choice and discrimination this is my last word on this.

A company or establishment stating "no anything" is illegal and they could be prosecuted under the discrimination act, an escort making a personal choice about who to have sex with is not illegal so not discrimination. They would not be allowed to openly advertise no blacks, no whites, nobody over 60, nobody under 25, nobody overweight or nobody anything else if it were.

The rights of an individual and the rights of companies or establishments are two very different things.

It is clearly completely counterintuitive and indeed surely morally wrong to think that anyone could be compelled to have sex to avoid an accusation of discrimination.

However, in terms of what the Equality Act 2010 says, I think it is actualy something of a grey area.

I do not think it is right to say the Act draws a material disctinction between "the rights of an individual and the rights of companies or establishments".   The primary definition of discrimination is in section 13(1) and it draws no distinction between individuals and companies:

"(1)A person (A) discriminates against another (B) if, because of a protected characteristic, A treats B less favourably than A treats or would treat others."

It is then section 29 which provides that "service-providers" cannot disciminate on the grounds of protected characteristics (which include age, race, sex etc):

"29Provision of services, etc.

(1)A person (a “service-provider”) concerned with the provision of a service to the public or a section of the public (for payment or not) must not discriminate against a person requiring the service by not providing the person with the service.

(2)A service-provider (A) must not, in providing the service, discriminate against a person (B)—

(a)as to the terms on which A provides the service to B;

(b)by terminating the provision of the service to B;"

It is quite hard to see how, on its own terms, that would not apply to a sex-worker.

(c)by subjecting B to any other detriment."

I think the answer would be that any court would consider there to be an overarching principle of personal autonomy/ consent in relation to sexual activity, but I am not sure that it is there in the legislation.  (For example, there is no relevant provision in the "General Exceptions" in Part 14 (sections 191 et seq).)

And it may be difficult to know how and where the line would be drawn.

For example, a dentist or beauty therapist plainly cannot refuse to see a patient based on race.

The same for a physiotherapist offering sports massages.

What about a "massage therapist" offering a sensual massage without a happy ending?

With a happy ending?

What about an only fans worker-  can they block a client on the grounds of race?

As i say, i think the law is unclear (and thus unsatisfactory)


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As i say, i think the law is unclear (and thus unsatisfactory)
No woman can be forced to have sex with a person they don't want to have sex with regardless of the reason. There is nothing unclear about that.

Whatever is enforced under Equality Act 2010 has to be legal and prostitution or sexual slavery that takes place as a result of coercion by a third party is illegal, the third party in this case would be the enforcement of the Equality Act.

I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about this.  :unknown:

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From myself as an SP viewpoint this interview says much of what I would say, it's excellent, accurate, well structured.

Totally agree, very good interview