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Author Topic: Forced? How do you know though?  (Read 3295 times)

Carrying on from some other threads. How would you know if a bird is forced onto the game? What should you be looking for? Bad attitude, a certain nationality? I'm not sure if I would know tbh.

Offline Dani

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I would imagine if forced some violence would be used so having a poor attitude would cause her physical harm so she would probably look and seem eager
I have no idea what to look for apart from some guy making her bookings and her being covered in bruises but not on the face
It's a hard one as unless they tell you which they wont incase you tell the pimp then you will never know

With some it is obvious as they are dragged all over the country never staying longer than a week or two and tend to offer BB and other more extreme services and even the photos show haunted and empty looking eyes

I think the best way to go is if your gut feels something isn't right go with that feeling. That's pretty much all you can do


Offline RedKettle


With some it is obvious as they are dragged all over the country never staying longer than a week or two and tend to offer BB and other more extreme services and even the photos show haunted and empty looking eyes


I have blacklisted a few profiles because of the way the eyes looked - haunted and empty looking is a good description.  Just made me feel uneasy.

I would have thought that for one reason or another the vast majority were Forced ,
 As for an indication being the "haunted and empty looking eyes", perhaps that's just our lack of charm and technique  :wacko:

Offline fredpunter

I would have thought that for one reason or another the vast majority were Forced


Please explain ...

I would have thought that for one reason or another the vast majority were Forced

And why would you have thought that?

It is every punter's duty to recognise the signs of sex trafficking and if suspicions arise, to not err on the side of caution, but to report your suspicions immediately to the UK Human Trafficking Centre (link below):

http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/contact-us/contact-the-ukhtc

Here are the classic signs/questions to ask yourself when identifying a victim of sex trafficking:

(1)  Does the person appear disconnected from family, friends, or community?
(2)  Is the person disoriented or confused, or showing signs of mental or physical abuse?
(3)  Does the person have bruises in various stages of healing?
(4)  Is the person fearful, timid, or submissive?
(5)  Does the person show signs of having been denied food, water, sleep, or medical care?
(6)  Is the person often in the company of someone to whom he or she defers? Or someone who seems to be in control of the situation, e.g., where they go or who they talk to (even by phone)?
(7)  Does the person appear to be coached on what to say?
(8)  Is the person living in unsuitable conditions?
(9)  Does the person lack personal possessions and appear not to have a stable living situation?
(10)  Does the person have freedom of movement? Can the person freely leave where they live? Are there unreasonable security measures?
(11) Does the person fail to control either/or their advertising or modes of communication?

Offline LL

I would imagine if forced some violence would be used so having a poor attitude would cause her physical harm so she would probably look and seem eager
I have no idea what to look for apart from some guy making her bookings and her being covered in bruises but not on the face
It's a hard one as unless they tell you which they wont incase you tell the pimp then you will never know

With some it is obvious as they are dragged all over the country never staying longer than a week or two and tend to offer BB and other more extreme services and even the photos show haunted and empty looking eyes

I think the best way to go is if your gut feels something isn't right go with that feeling. That's pretty much all you can do
How much experience of punting have you had?  :unknown:
What you're doing is stating common sense. We can all guess the signs of a forced WG. How do your guesses contribute anything to the thread other than stating the obvious. Or what you imagine might be the signs.

Offline smiths

Carrying on from some other threads. How would you know if a bird is forced onto the game? What should you be looking for? Bad attitude, a certain nationality? I'm not sure if I would know tbh.

Unless the WG tells you or you think she is being forced you may well not know. When i punt the best i have got is my best judgement to use. I wouldnt knowingly punt with a forced WG but i cant say i havent unknowingly.

And ANY WG including Brits could be being forced/coerced for all a punter would know for certain unless they live with the WG. Punting by its very nature is meeting complete or virtual strangers, i havent the insight into a WGs personal life to know her situation for definite. I decide to punt on and use my best judgement.

Offline smiths

I would have thought that for one reason or another the vast majority were Forced ,
 As for an indication being the "haunted and empty looking eyes", perhaps that's just our lack of charm and technique  :wacko:

How have you reached this totally unprovable conclusion that the vast majority were forced?

Offline smiths

It is every punter's duty to recognise the signs of sex trafficking and if suspicions arise, to not err on the side of caution, but to report your suspicions immediately to the UK Human Trafficking Centre (link below):

http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/contact-us/contact-the-ukhtc

Here are the classic signs/questions to ask yourself when identifying a victim of sex trafficking:

(1)  Does the person appear disconnected from family, friends, or community?
(2)  Is the person disoriented or confused, or showing signs of mental or physical abuse?
(3)  Does the person have bruises in various stages of healing?
(4)  Is the person fearful, timid, or submissive?
(5)  Does the person show signs of having been denied food, water, sleep, or medical care?
(6)  Is the person often in the company of someone to whom he or she defers? Or someone who seems to be in control of the situation, e.g., where they go or who they talk to (even by phone)?
(7)  Does the person appear to be coached on what to say?
(8)  Is the person living in unsuitable conditions?
(9)  Does the person lack personal possessions and appear not to have a stable living situation?
(10)  Does the person have freedom of movement? Can the person freely leave where they live? Are there unreasonable security measures?
(11) Does the person fail to control either/or their advertising or modes of communication?

Whereas my advice is anonymously ring Crimestoppers www.crimestoppers.uk.org/  or the police. Thanks to Harriet Harridan punting with a coerced woman even if you werent aware is a crime and could land the punter in deep shit.

Offline smiths

Whereas my advice is anonymously ring Crimestoppers www.crimestoppers.uk.org/  or the police. Thanks to Harriet Harridan punting with a coerced woman even if you werent aware is a crime and could land the punter in deep shit.

Wouldnt let me edit this post for some strange reason. www.crimestoppers-uk.org/

Offline Corus Boy

A bolt or lock on the outside of the bedroom door might be a give away!  :(

Offline Toshiba


Go with ya gut, ive never had any suspicion of any girl being forced and saying the vast majority are is a bit odd, many dont want to be in this but need the money, different to being forced imho

By Forced, I mean that Life can force us to do certain things that we might not otherwise have  chosen to do !

Offline Jimmyredcab

Carrying on from some other threads. How would you know if a bird is forced onto the game? What should you be looking for? Bad attitude, a certain nationality? I'm not sure if I would know tbh.

You probably wouldn't know, many pro$$ies have a bad attitude, they can't all be forced into prostitution.    :unknown:

Offline fredpunter

By Forced, I mean that Life can force us to do certain things that we might not otherwise have  chosen to do !

You cant define what you mean by the word "forced" by using the word "force", I may be being a bit pedantic but that's a meaningless definition. I suspect you mean that many people choose to do something they'd rather not be doing but the rewards make the sacrifice worthwhile? That applies to most of the population I would think. but the important bit if that sentence is CHOOSE. Most people, including most prossies, have other options.

Offline James999

In today's world many eastern europeans will come here to work as pro$$ies as their country / home is such a shit hole, and they hope to earn loads of cash, the reality is much of this may end up in pimps pockets as a Romanian girl with poor English is unable to secure a place to work from so may need the help of a pimp, perhaps it's more their pisshole they come from that is forcing them to do it.

Are the "gangsters" guilty of pimping, yes of course, are the girls willing parties, I'd say they probably are (at least at the outset) as they have so little to lose at home, I suspect that after they see most of the cash punters pay going to pimps they get pissed off and this is part of their sullen attitude, but then they'd probably be miserable if they were at home mucking out the village goat  :thumbsdown:
« Last Edit: December 20, 2014, 10:31:23 AM by James999 »

Offline Jimmyredcab

You cant define what you mean by the word "forced" by using the word "force", I may be being a bit pedantic but that's a meaningless definition. I suspect you mean that many people choose to do something they'd rather not be doing but the rewards make the sacrifice worthwhile? That applies to most of the population I would think. but the important bit if that sentence is CHOOSE. Most people, including most prossies, have other options.

Agree 1000%.

No woman HAS TO resort to prostitution, the vast majority of women would rather clean out toilets than rent out their body.

Offline James999

the vast majority of women would rather clean out toilets than rent out their body.

And many of them are more appealing than some of the munters on AW  :hi:

Offline Jimmyredcab



 I suspect that after they see most of the cash punters pay going to pimps they get pissed off and this is part of their sullen attitude.

I have said this numerous times but the same suspects accuse me of talking bollocks.

If a pro$$ie is working for low rates and the pimp is taking half of her fee she is not going to give a good service.

Offline James999

If a pro$$ie is working for low rates and the pimp is taking half of her fee she is not going to give a good service.

There were reports in the media that the Romanian model is more along the lines of the pro$$ie gets £100 a day, and services perhaps 15 or 20 guys at £40 - £60 as such the pimp gets say £850 for the day and gives the pro$$ie £100 still far more than she will earn tending the village goat  :music:

Your point on good service is valid, as she actually doesn't want the client to return as it wont earn her more cash just more work for the same money  :hi:
« Last Edit: December 20, 2014, 10:44:20 AM by James999 »

Offline Jimmyredcab

There were reports in the media that the Romanian model is more along the lines of the pro$$ie gets £100 a day, and services perhaps 15 or 20 guys at £40 - £60 as such the pimp gets say £850 for the day and gives the pro$$ie £100 still far more than she will earn tending the village goat  :music:


A Polish girl told me that when she worked for a pimp her rate was £80 an hour and the pimp took £40  ----- I can only assume she was telling the truth.   :unknown:

Offline James999

Perhaps things have moved on and the Romanian pimps take more  :unknown:

The Romanians seem far more surely than the Polish, perhaps that's linked to the pimps take  :unknown:

Offline Jeremy

On hindsight there was one punt I had where the girl might have been forced. She had an attitude that at the time I took for the typical EE lack of enthusiasm, but there was something a little more regretful about her behaviour, as if she'd resigned herself to the fact that she had no choice but to do what she was doing. I really hope I'm just being paranoid though. As far as I can tell her profile is gone from AW, it was one of those ones that only exists for a couple weeks before a new one is made.


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