Nature Herb Wellbeing - Leeds

[wakefieldlad13]

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I will explain my reason for walking a little lower down, however it was Jomoore's earlier review which prompted me into making this one, i had a couple of reasons for not reviewing, one being the fact that i didnt want to out myself but all will be explained lower down

I have visited this place quite a few times now resulting in a mixed bag of experiences ranging from firm reds to firm positives though more recently my visits have been to avail myself of other services, mainly acupuncture, of which the 'boss lady' is the practitioner and a competent one at that

In general, i usually have the treatment followed by extras provided by one of the available girls, at a cost of the acupuncture rate and most often £20 for a HJ or 30/40 for a BJ
Anyone whom as gone down the acupuncture route knows that it usually takes a number of treatments to gauge if there is any success so on my return visits the house as been good with me regarding fees, and other than my first session i tend to pay 70 all in, be the ending as a HJ or BJ, with the BJ often being owo and occasionally cim, though in general im usually over and done with within the hour, maybe 70mins at the most


On this occasion i was there for the massage and extras and not the acupuncture, i was very local and had quick comms, a phone call, which saw me walk through the door only a few minutes later
On arrival i parked right out front which is where i usually park and whilst others have expressed concerns over the area i myself have not really been worried about it

The door opened as i approached it and i was greeted by the boss lady, she welcomed me in and immediately quizzed me about my booking, basically she thought i had come for an acupuncture session even though i was not due until later this week
No i explained, i did say when i called that i was looking for 1 hour massage
No problem she said and was showing me to the room on the left of the front door, at this i asked to divert to the loo, which is also close to the entrance

Once relieved i made my way to the room and the boss lady brought in the girl, she looked to be late 20s, maybe early 30s, i couldnt really see her face as the room was dimly lit and the girl had her head slightly down, the boss said she was new and then asked me if she was ok?

I think so i replied and i then immediately spoke to the girl, the girl did not answer or even look up until the boss spoke to her in Chinese, at which she then looked up smiled and kind of bowed down, curtsy type of thing which they do as a form of respect

All this happened in a second or so but it didnt feel right, again the boss asked if the girl was ok and without me replying i took out my translator and spoke to the girl
The girl was now looking up, she was a pretty thing especially as she was now smiling

Once again the girl didnt answer, it was like she didnt want to speak, the boss lady gave the girl a nudge and told her to speak but she just said hello

The boss lady then told me the girl couldnt speak much English and not to worry

I then asked the boss why the girl didnt respond to the translator and the boss replied, i dont know because she can understand

At this the boss lady again spoke to the girl, translator still on so i knew what was being said and the girl just said she felt ill, at this the boss lady started to carry on with the girl asking why she had not spoken about this before because now the boss was embarrassed in front of the customer and then told the girl to go

The boss lady then said for me to wait and the other girl would be free in 15 minutes

NO, i replied, its ok i dont have time to wait (i hadnt paid any monies so i had nothing to lose)
Ok said the boss lady, wait 15 minutes for the other girl and have 30 mins massage, you can have time for free just pay girl for what she do for you ok

Again i declined and away i went, afterwards i received a couple of messages from the boss once again apologising and offering free massage next time

I had been in a quandary about this, my initial thoughts led me to be suspicious of trafficking, the girls reluctance to speak or even engage with translation really made me suspicious, even though i was not aware of any issues at this place
Though when i considered that the girl spoke in mandarin and told the boss, unprompted that she felt ill did negate my thoughts a little, but it was still on my mind.

Since the day, i have spoken to, for want of better words, 'a person i know in authority' whom confirmed to me that to his knowledge NHW had not appeared on any horizons which would give cause for concern

This somewhat put my mind at ease but at that time i thought it not best to review unless something new came to light and that something new was Jomoore's review, which in my mind assuming the girl is the same just suggests the house had no concerns over her status and that the girl is either too new, just shy or is shit with tech, again all of which actually makes me feel that bit less concerned, all this said, i still have a concern that this may out me, that is if NHW monitor UKP or if there is a tell tale amongst us
Either way, im sure i will get to know directly from them when or if i return for my acupuncture

[Jomoore]

I see where your concerns would come from, a bit worrying all in all, and I'm afraid I too wondered whether Coco actually wanted to be doing that stuff. The bit during my visit where the boss just barged in unannounced was a first, and that made me wonder if something was amiss, or whether merely that she was genuinely a new girl needing some support.  Who knows?

[Upsndowns79]

I’ve not been to this establishment and only ever experienced 2 different Chinese places (Ponte and Bentley) but these 2 reviews are bid red flags (and not the national flag of China). To some degree I fear the girl is working under some duress even if that’s just working when not feeling well.

Thanks to both for bringing the matter to our attention.

[wakefieldlad13]

I see where your concerns would come from, a bit worrying all in all, and I'm afraid I too wondered whether Coco actually wanted to be doing that stuff. The bit during my visit where the boss just barged in unannounced was a first, and that made me wonder if something was amiss, or whether merely that she was genuinely a new girl needing some support.  Who knows?

I have had that happen a couple of times over the years though at different places and both were Chinese places and both times were first time visits for me?, but it is very rare as IME the girls often locks the doors once in the room, so maybe it is a reassurance thing for the provider?

Going back to your (Jomoore's) review, i am starting to see what could be a pattern here
In your review, you stated that Coco wasnt good with the translator app, and the more i thought about this the more i felt something does not sit right?

Looking back i recall your visit in April, on this visit you mentioned that girl having zero English which made everything very difficult at that time
Now following that review, when i visited a few weeks after, the girl i saw also had difficulties with her translator app?, unfortunately for her i went armed with a professional grade app and to her surprise was then able to converse with her, and whats more, seconds later her understanding of English suddenly improved

Maybe im just being a bit paranoid or something but a pattern is a pattern, obviously it could be that the girls they get here are straight off the boat with little or no English so yes i get that, but a youngish Chinese person being poor with tech, hmm, that i dont get!

[wakefieldlad13]

I’ve not been to this establishment and only ever experienced 2 different Chinese places (Ponte and Bentley) but these 2 reviews are bid red flags (and not the national flag of China). To some degree I fear the girl is working under some duress even if that’s just working when not feeling well.

Thanks to both for bringing the matter to our attention.

The set up here comes across as so much different to the Ponte and Bentley set ups, in one sense, this may be due to the fact that they offer and openly advertise genuine Chinese healing practices which appear to be run by a much older Chinses lady
However, it does remind me a bit of what the set up was like at Wellbeing in Balby when that first opened, both seemingly indicating a genuine Chinese healing set up and both being pretty dark old fashioned places internally

As for the duress, having spent time with the boss lady for the acupuncture, i do feel that her reaction to the girl not telling her she felt unwell was genuine and not an act for my benefit, obviously that doesnt mean that the girl did or even didnt feel comfortable in speaking to the boss about this

What i can also say is that in my previous visits, i have never felt like the girls were doing something against their will, though this doesnt mean that it was something they aspired to either, if you get my drift

It would be good to get the opinions of others on here if they have visited but not yet reviewed and even if they are out of time, then at least make a contribution to the thread

[Jomoore]

Maybe im just being a bit paranoid or something but a pattern is a pattern, obviously it could be that the girls they get here are straight off the boat with little or no English so yes i get that, but a youngish Chinese person being poor with tech, hmm, that i dont get!

I would agree, but it occurred to me that the staff at this place may come from somewhere in China that has a dialect that is not well covered by the translator App?  Google suggests there are 7-10 main language groups that are "mutually unintelligible". That may explain the difficulty Coco (the younger girl) had, whereas the older lady I saw some months back simply didn't understand the tech.

[wakefieldlad13]

I would agree, but it occurred to me that the staff at this place may come from somewhere in China that has a dialect that is not well covered by the translator App?  Google suggests there are 7-10 main language groups that are "mutually unintelligible". That may explain the difficulty Coco (the younger girl) had, whereas the older lady I saw some months back simply didn't understand the tech.

I agree regarding the language groups, many of these also have variable dialects which alone can make translation difficult, lets face it, some of the accents in Yorkshire can be difficult too, a broad Barnsley accent may as well have come from the outer mongolia to a Cockney and lets not mention Geordies or scousers...lol

However, my translator picked up the girls language to be Putonghua which is a common language and is mandarin based

Strangely enough when i had to use the translator here earlier in the year this picked up the same Putonghua but with a GAN dialect, GAN originates in a total different region of China, many translator apps, certainly the free ones are unable to clearly translate  dialects which differ from the standard dialects and languages which explains why our mobiles cannot decifer much of what these girls say