Online porn featuring choking to be made illegal

[RandomGuy99]

BBC News - Online porn showing choking to be made illegal, government says
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[stampjones]

Next week, tying your own shoelaces to follow

[puntingking]

It is not enforceable. They cannot even get porn companies to implement age verification methods as many are still operating without them 

Are they going to ban voilent horror movies? 

What alot of people don't relise that porn is acting. What happens between two adults and if they both agree to be filmed and if one of them like to be choked then what does that have to do with anyone else 

Maybe a mod or forum helper can join this thread up to the main political thread as It is political in nature 

[RandomGuy99]

It is not enforceable. They cannot even get porn companies to implement age verification methods as many are still operating without them 

Are they going to ban voilent horror movies? 

What alot of people don't relise that porn is acting. What happens between two adults and if they both agree to be filmed and if one of them like to be choked then what does that have to do with anyone else 

Maybe a mod or forum helper can join this thread up to the main political thread as It is political in nature 

I think the problem is the young people watching porn are now considering it normal to choke their partner during sex and this must be quite traumatic to receive and can cause health issues like damage to arteries. I would guess that SPs have also experienced a rise in SSs attempting to choke them and that must be scary to have a random stranger turn up and start choking you. I know some SPs have mentioned it to me and they've clearly been traumatised be it.

Young women are probably going a long with it because they don't want to upset their partner.

I don't know how it became so mainstream in porn.

[Strawberry]

I think the problem is the young people watching porn are now considering it normal to choke their partner during sex and this must be quite traumatic to receive and can cause health issues like damage to arteries. I would guess that SPs have also experienced a rise in SSs attempting to choke them and that must be scary to have a random stranger turn up and start choking you. I know some SPs have mentioned it to me and they've clearly been traumatised be it.

Young women are probably going a long with it because they don't want to upset their partner.

I don't know how it became so mainstream in porn.

Twenty years ago a partner then 50 (so now 70) tried to do this, I don't think it's necessarily young people. I do experience punters, sometimes repeat bookers get carried away start performing porn-style acts, can be any age and can be alarming. I've also had an older regular (not seen since 2018 or so) show me porn as a way to demonstrate women enjoying deep throat after I'd asked him to ease off. He had been bearing down on my face with his body so hard my face bones would be hurting, nose squashed, couldn't breathe.

Yes porn is acting, yes it's consensual but it's acting for an audience, usually male audience, and I do not think their consent necessarily means participants are necessarily gaining sexual pleasure from it.

[puntingking]

A better thing to do (although I don't know how they would enforce this too) would be to ban porn for those individuals who repeatedly break the current laws and for men who are on the sex register. Just a thought 

There would be many people (men and women) who enjoy choking or being choked but do so responsibly and safely.
There will also be a big minority who enjoy watching choking in porn but have no desire to do this practice in real life.


What a lot of people don't realise is that porn is make-believe. It is like a erotic fairy-tale story for adults who choose to view such content.

[Strawberry]

A better thing to do (although I don't know how they would enforce this too) would be to ban porn for those individuals who repeatedly break the current laws and for men who are on the sex register. Just a thought 

There would be many people (men and women) who enjoy choking or being choked but do so responsibly and safely.
There will also be a big minority who enjoy watching choking in porn but have no desire to do this practice in real life.


What a lot of people don't realise is that porn is make-believe. It is like a erotic fairy-tale story for adults who choose to view such content.

Breathplay is present in the fetish, kink, BDSM scene BUT consent is heavily promoted, and practiced certainly by those who are reputable and responsible players. Boundaries are often laid by new play partners for example, or at least should be!

Outside of kink the boundaries can be more fluid, sometimes not stated and depends on trust, common sense, respect, consideration. In paid sex an SP can list 'do nots' but where do you stop, there are endless possibilities. Also quite a few punters do not read profiles or websites. For many years I didn't have dildos on display because someone had grabbed one, tried to shove it up my anus unlubed, and uninvited. Now they are there to shove up someone elses anus only by prior discussion and preparation.

[RandomGuy99]

Yes porn is acting, yes it's consensual but it's acting for an audience, usually male audience, and I do not think their consent necessarily means participants are necessarily gaining sexual pleasure from it.

I agree. SPs are obviously acting too, but I wouldn't go trying to choke one in a booking and definitely not without seeking their explicit consent first. The tales I've heard from SPs about suddenly being choked in a booking were quite distressing. They soon corrected the SS's behaviour.

[MLawro93]

Choking is one of these acts that can go wrong so quickly. Often not done correctly. I understand if it is two consenting adults, then great, but it shouldn't really be the norm.

I've had SPs over the years try to choke me, and its always a big no, have to swat their hands away.

[puntingking]

Choking is one of these acts that can go wrong so quickly. Often not done correctly. I understand if it is two consenting adults, then great, but it shouldn't really be the norm.

I've had SPs over the years try to choke me, and its always a big no, have to swat their hands away.

It is surprising that a SP tried to choke you in the past, normally it is the other way around

[RandomGuy99]

It is surprising that a SP tried to choke you in the past, normally it is the other way around

Perhaps he was just being really annoying?

[MLawro93]

Perhaps he was just being really annoying?

Haha, if only. Then I might have deserved it 

All the times it has happened was when the SP was riding in CG. Now I wouldn't mind someone placing their hand there, but to do so with applied force without any prior discussion is rather unnerving.

[bigden40]

BBC News - Online porn showing choking to be made illegal, government says
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The government should not be in the business of legislating sex acts between consenting adults, or the filming thereof.

What next?  Bondage, spanking, doggystyle, anything other than mish?

[MLawro93]

The government should not be in the business of legislating sex acts between consenting adults, or the filming thereof.

What next?  Bondage, spanking, doggystyle, anything other than mish?

What is worse is that they are hypocrites. I've found the one type of clients all SPs complain about are MPs or politicians  They are some nasty people.

[puntingking]

in the year 2050, the only thing Brits will be allowed to do is breathe
 

[RandomGuy99]

BBC News - 'Men have tried to choke me during sex'
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[daviemac]

The government should not be in the business of legislating sex acts between consenting adults, or the filming thereof.

What next?  Bondage, spanking, doggystyle, anything other than mish?

You wouldn't think that political posts anywhere other than the dedicated politics thread comes with a ban would you? 

BTW this can't be merged with the politics thread as there's' posts without quotes so if they fall in between posts on another topic the thread makes no sense.

If anyone is incapable of discussing chocking without bringing politics into it don't post on the thread.

[jaydefo24]

It is not enforceable. They cannot even get porn companies to implement age verification methods as many are still operating without them 

Are they going to ban voilent horror movies? 

What alot of people don't relise that porn is acting. What happens between two adults and if they both agree to be filmed and if one of them like to be choked then what does that have to do with anyone else 

Maybe a mod or forum helper can join this thread up to the main political thread as It is political in nature 

I’m a total porn fan and have been for years. However, I’m aware, hugely aware, of its downsides.

And one argument I’ve never bought is “it’s acting - same as violence in a Hollywood movie is”. No it’s not. Real erections being inserted into real orifices is not acting. It’s real. The set maybe staged, the moans maybe fake, but once an erect penis is penetrating a real anus, mouth or vagina it is no longer “acting”.

It is documenting a real thing. Real body fluids being exchanged.

That is why it’s easy to separate reality from fantasy in actual drama films and tv. That’s acting. And we know it. The bullets aren’t real. The fighting scenes aren’t actually hurting eachother.

Porn is way less defined. If we watch real sex then it’s fair to assume the choking is somewhat real too. And even if it’s consented entirely, the ease of access has gone on too long too far. All porn should be back behind a paywall.

Then I can make money from it again

[puntingking]

If anyone is incapable of discussing chocking without bringing politics into it don't post on the thread.

 

[puntingking]

All porn should be back behind a paywall.

I guess that is a better option than banning a specific sex act. 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

IIRC there was a report out a while ago detialing the damage that can be caused by choking during  sex acts or where ever this happens. I expect its to  try to warn and or discoutrage choking during sex acts, it seems that woman can be damged by such actions it seems to me the goverment are acting in good faith on the matter.

It is also seen as a form of abuse against women having choking enacted on and against them..

[RandomGuy99]

IIRC there was a report out a while ago detialing the damage that can be caused by choking during  sex acts or where ever this happens. I expect its to  try to warn and or discoutrage choking during sex acts, it seems that woman can be damged by such actions it seems to me the goverment are acting in good faith on the matter.

It is also seen as a form of abuse against women having choking enacted on and against them..

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[puntingking]

an individual can consent to being strangled or 'choked', but cannot consent to being seriously harmed or killed by strangulation

[puntingking]

It is also seen as a form of abuse against women having choking enacted on and against them..

But not men, If the roles were reversed? 

[RandomGuy99]

"The risks of non-fatal strangulation

There are many risks involved with choking during sex. Immediate risks include neck pain, difficulty breathing or swallowing, blurred vision or ringing in the ears, passing out, and loss of bladder or bowel control. After-effects include voice changes and speech problems, headaches, nausea and confusion, memory loss, long-term concentration difficulties, and in severe cases stroke or brain damage. When oxygen is restricted, people may experience disorientation and memory loss. 

Repeated restriction can cause lasting cognitive issues, and in some cases strangulation can trigger life-threatening medical emergencies. If this happens, you should always call 999. "

[puntingking]

"The risks of non-fatal strangulation

If this happens, you should always call 999. "

absolutely 

[JontyR]

But not men, If the roles were reversed? 

If anything increases the chances of someone wanting to strangle you, it's posts like this.

[bhudda]

There are many risks involved with choking during sex. Immediate risks include neck pain, difficulty breathing or swallowing, blurred vision or ringing in the ears, passing out, and loss of bladder or bowel control. After-effects include voice changes and speech problems, headaches, nausea and confusion, memory loss, long-term concentration difficulties, and in severe cases stroke or brain damage. When oxygen is restricted, people may experience disorientation and memory loss. 

and I thought it was just cos I was getting old

[RandomGuy99]

BBC News - Porn showing choking or incest to be banned from early November, government says
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This is good news.

[Davey Dykes]

Now I've never actually seen anything where the young lady is clearly stated to be under 18 but who actually decides if she's 17,18,19 or whatever if it's not stated?

Porn that shows or depicts sex between step or foster-relations where one person is pretending to be under 18 will also be captured by the new offences

This will mean a huge removal of my consumption so yes, I care.

[puntingking]

BBC News - Porn showing choking or incest to be banned from early November, government says
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This is good news.

No it aint. It should not be anyone business what two consenting people film themselves doing. As long as it is consentual and they are not hurting anyone else why should they be banned from doing so 



Just to add, I don't like porn as a whole so it ain't because I am in favour of something or not in favour of something, more to do with the fact that let live and let live.

As I have said, maybe we should ban everything that is violent then 


Maybe you are in favour of banning voilent video games or horror films that are rather gory.

Where would you draw the line 

[puntingking]

Porn is acting, it is not supposed to resemble real life. 

That is why people watch it.

[RandomGuy99]

No it aint. It should not be anyone business what two consenting people film themselves doing. As long as it is consentual and they are not hurting anyone else why should they be banned from doing so 



Just to add, I don't like porn as a whole so it ain't because I am in favour of something or not in favour of something, more to do with the fact that let live and let live.

As I have said, maybe we should ban everything that is violent then 


Maybe you are in favour of banning voilent video games or horror films that are rather gory.

Where would you draw the line 

Unfortunately, young people are being introduced to porn at an early age and some of them are considering this to be "normal" which probably all men do with porn they see. For the older members on here they didn't see choking or incest in the porn they watched as a teenager. However, modern porn has a lot of choking, mother and step son, step son and step daughter and all manner of combinations. I don't understand how porn has gone off in that direction. To me porn is just a male and a female having sex. I don't get into what relationship they have to each other and for porn it's all made up anyway.

I think if banning violent porn stops escorts and young women from being strangled while having sex then it's a good thing. I've been told by many escorts that they've been traumatised by a punter turning up and suddenly choking them without consent. The escorts are shocked abd concerned about their safety. It's crazy. Everyone on a booking should feel safe.

[puntingking]

Unfortunately, young people are being introduced to porn at an early age and some of them are considering this to be "normal" which probably all men do with porn they see. For the older members on here they didn't see choking or incest in the porn they watched as a teenager. However, modern porn has a lot of choking, mother and step son, step son and step daughter and all manner of combinations. I don't understand how porn has gone off in that direction. To me porn is just a male and a female having sex. I don't get into what relationship they have to each other and for porn it's all made up anyway.

I think if banning violent porn stops escorts and young women from being strangled while having sex then it's a good thing. I've been told by many escorts that they've been traumatised by a punter turning up and suddenly choking them without consent. The escorts are shocked abd concerned about their safety. It's crazy. Everyone on a booking should feel safe.

 

[timsussex]

While I have never enjoyed choking in porn - in fact find it a turn off however I don't approve of the ever extending nanny state

[DastardlyDick]

No it aint. It should not be anyone business what two consenting people film themselves doing. As long as it is consentual and they are not hurting anyone else why should they be banned from doing so 



Just to add, I don't like porn as a whole so it ain't because I am in favour of something or not in favour of something, more to do with the fact that let live and let live.

As I have said, maybe we should ban everything that is violent then 


Maybe you are in favour of banning voilent video games or horror films that are rather gory.

Where would you draw the line 

Unless you're !looking at some very dubious sites, you won't find genuine incest online - it's already illegal.
We've been through banning horror films for being too horrid back in the 80s with the "zombie" films because they "encouraged" certain behaviours.

[stampjones]

I don't really have much interest in the type of porn being banned but I still think the legislation is bollocks. If there was any evidence that banning strangle porn will improve the stats on women being strangled to death (or even that the numbers have gone up since it became available on the internet) then fair enough, I'm all for it. But I don't believe anything of the sort exists so it comes down to people in power deciding what we should and shouldn't like. Which as I said above, is bollocks

[stampjones]

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[puntingking]

While I have never enjoyed choking in porn - in fact find it a turn off however I don't approve of the ever extending nanny state

well said 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Its got nothing to do with the nanny state its just a warning of a dangerous activity that can cause permanent health problems and damage!..

[WASA38]

Its got nothing to do with the nanny state its just a warning of a dangerous activity that can cause permanent health problems and damage!..

Well said   

[bigden40]

Its got nothing to do with the nanny state its just a warning of a dangerous activity that can cause permanent health problems and damage!..

It's not just a warning though, is it? Rather it’s the state micromanaging what fantasies you can indulge.

Moot point though, given you have to use a VPN to access most porn anyway.

[stampjones]

Its got nothing to do with the nanny state its just a warning of a dangerous activity that can cause permanent health problems and damage!..

There is no evidence based proof of that that I'm aware of. Certainly not any that explicitly relates to those types of porn. Besides, alcohol and tobacco cause much more dangerous health conditions and costs to the NHS but they don't feel the need to ban them.

[5qwerty80b]

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I remembered this article from a couple of years back. The contents have been echoed by a friend who is a teacher. Thank the Lord I’m not a teacher in these times.

Whilst choking has never been something that I can see appealing to me I do wonder that had it been in the porn I was watching as a teenager my view on it could be different. That said, porn when I was a teenager was Mayfair magazine and its like. I don’t recall seeing “acted” porn on a screen until my very late teens and by todays standards was incredibly tame.

Fortunately (well I think fortunately) for me the majority of the porn I had access to as a young man was on old VHS tapes passed around blokes at work, where the most outrageous things to be seen were a tradie knocking on some beautiful girls door offering to sort her plumbing out.

[DastardlyDick]

Whilst choking has never been something that I can see appealing to me I do wonder that had it been in the porn I was watching as a teenager my view on it could be different. That said, porn when I was a teenager was Mayfair magazine and its like. I don’t recall seeing “acted” porn on a screen until my very late teens and by todays standards was incredibly tame.

Fortunately (well I think fortunately) for me the majority of the porn I had access to as a young man was on old VHS tapes passed around blokes at work, where the most outrageous things to be seen were a tradie knocking on some beautiful girls door offering to sort her plumbing out.

It sounds like you and I may be of a similar vintage - when I was in Secondary School there was a lively exchange of porn mags "swap your Penthouse for my Playboy?"
 The proposed ban is just another example of shifting personal responsibility, a "they made me do it" thing.

[puntingking]

It's not just a warning though, is it? Rather it’s the state micromanaging what fantasies you can indulge.

Moot point though, given you have to use a VPN to access most porn anyway.

They still can't get it right when it comes to making sure every porn site has an age verification on it.

 

[puntingking]

There is no evidence based proof of that that I'm aware of. Certainly not any that explicitly relates to those types of porn. Besides, alcohol and tobacco cause much more dangerous health conditions and costs to the NHS but they don't feel the need to ban them.

Exactly 

I am not in any way in favour of banning alcohol (or anything else) but we know that most problems stem from alcohol. 

This is just pretty much virtue signaling.

[puntingking]

Boys asking teachers how to choke girls during sex

blame the parents, not the porn. 

[Doc Holliday]

Moot point though, given you have to use a VPN to access most porn anyway.

Yes it's all just noise and largely unenforceable.

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[Doc Holliday]

blame the parents, not the porn. 

You're not a parent then?