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Author Topic: Paying for sex to be illegal in Northern Ireland  (Read 1469 times)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30404275

Im surprised noones mentioned this yet, or is Northern Ireland a punting desert as it is?

(Edit: Typo)

I assumed it was all still run by the respective ex paramilitary organisations during the troubles and as such thats why they never had Sergei bringing his troupe of touring pro's to NI

Offline Ben4454

Lucky we pay for time not sex.
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Offline Aspen

I think what is interesting is the overwhelming majority that voted in favour. 81 to 10, which is near enough 89%. That's huge and indicates that it might eventually get through in Scotland and it could ripple through elsewhere. The republic look set to follow suit.
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Offline maxxblue

I think what is interesting is the overwhelming majority that voted in favour. 81 to 10, which is near enough 89%. That's huge and indicates that it might eventually get through in Scotland and it could ripple through elsewhere. The republic look set to follow suit.

Not sure I follow your logic - what has Northern Ireland got to do with Scotland? Do any other policies implemented in Northern Ireland then become policy in Scotland before rippling though elsewhere?

I would like to know, how the police in NI will prove someone has paid for sex

Offline eyeseebee

They won't because they can't. Which is what makes this law a load of bollocks, wherever it is.

Offline Captain Caveman

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30404275

Im surprised noones mentioned this yet, or is Northern Ireland a punting desert as it is?

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This was discussed at length here a couple of months ago:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=40342.msg543472;topicseen#msg543472

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Offline Aspen

Not sure I follow your logic - what has Northern Ireland got to do with Scotland? Do any other policies implemented in Northern Ireland then become policy in Scotland before rippling though elsewhere?

Because there is an active campaign in Scotland to do the same. Usually these kinds of proposals get defeated, but such a large majority in favour indicates that there is quite a large change in acceptance by the legislators. There are a lot of similarities between Scotland and NI, and I think it is an indicator of what might happen in the future. You may think differently, but that's up to you. Your comment is simplistic and rather misses the point I was making. Either deliberately or ignorantly, it's hard to tell. Nothing anyone says on here will make any difference anyway. I'm not sure I care much either, but I can see that the so-called moral majority are gaining the upper hand and the sex business in the UK is going to get shaken up a bit as a result. Once the legislation is in place there will be calls for the police to do something about the crimes that are being committed and possibly there will be occasional blitzes on bringing offenders to justice. It all sounds ridiculous but it could become reality and to my mind for the first time the signs are there. It will be interesting to see what effect there is in NI, on sites like AW etc.


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Offline maxxblue

Because there is an active campaign in Scotland to do the same. [There is no such active campaign, though if you provide evidence to the contrary I will take back what I have said. By the way, if there was an active campaign, surely it would have been debated on UKP? As far as I can tell, it was last mentioned on UKP in 2012 - hardly active? (ref: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=7228.msg106110;topicseen#msg106110) ]. Usually these kinds of proposals get defeated, but such a large majority in favour indicates that there is quite a large change in acceptance by the legislators. There are a lot of similarities between Scotland and NI [what are the similarities?], and I think it is an indicator of what might happen in the future. You may think differently, but that's up to you. Your comment is simplistic [On the contrary, your comments are simplistic] and rather misses the point I was making. Either deliberately or ignorantly, it's hard to tell [?]. Nothing anyone says on here will make any difference anyway. I'm not sure I care much either, but I can see that the so-called moral majority are gaining the upper hand and the sex business in the UK is going to get shaken up a bit as a result. Once the legislation is in place there will be calls for the police to do something about the crimes that are being committed and possibly there will be occasional blitzes on bringing offenders to justice. It all sounds ridiculous but it could become reality and to my mind for the first time the signs are there. It will be interesting to see what effect there is in NI, on sites like AW etc.

The whole topic of making punting a criminal offence in England was discussed on UKP several weeks ago, but the discussions ended when the amendment to the bill (to make it a criminal offence) was thrown out.  :hi:

Offline mcardle464

Julie Bindel was on RT tonight, and she sees NI as the first stage for getting that sort of legislation passed elsewhere in the UK.  So it does seem like an ominous development, especially as it's an easy thing for a pol to vote for, and risky politically for them to oppose.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Julie Bindel was on RT tonight, and she sees NI as the first stage for getting that sort of legislation passed elsewhere in the UK.  So it does seem like an ominous development, especially as it's an easy thing for a pol to vote for, and risky politically for them to oppose.

I see no problem, prostitution has been going on for thousands of years, it will still be going on when Julie Bindel is six foot under. :bomb:

Offline tbrad

Northern Island, who cares about that place anyway? What a complete dump.  :sarcastic:

Offline mcardle464

Well, perhaps you might consider this: if legislation makes it more difficult for clients and WGs to meet up, then the prices might go up, supply and demand. 

Julie Bindel was on RT tonight, and she sees NI as the first stage for getting that sort of legislation passed

Right now, I think anyone who goes to N.I to have a punt, needs there head looked at, as I wouldn't be surprised if the N.I. Police, look for someone to parade in front of the news papers, and who ever it is, you can guarantee, his life will be over

Offline JamesKW

Right now, I think anyone who goes to N.I to have a punt, needs there head looked at, as I wouldn't be surprised if the N.I. Police, look for someone to parade in front of the news papers, and who ever it is, you can guarantee, his life will be over

Yes the best thing in NI is to take a rest from punting for a while until things die down abit,then come back to it later.There will always be purges from time to time to show the police are doing their job,you just have to hope our not caught up in it,it will be similar to drug enforcement in this country.

Offline mcardle464

Sigh.  Please look at the longer-term political ramifications.  If something is made illegal, then the police come under pressure to make arrests.  MPs, worthies, tabloid newspapers, and elected Police Commissioners can make names for themselves by pressuring police to "do something".

These are all vote winners for reactionary busybodies.  It appears, that despite the statistics that millions of UK men are punters, there won't be a backlash.

So, today there is zero chance of a UKP member being prosecuted, if this legislation goes through in the rest of the UK, there is a small, but not non-zero chance that somebody here might be prosecuted and possibly found guilty of a criminal offence.

What will be the ramifications of that?  Loss of your job?  Marriage breakup?  Stigmatisation by your friends and family?  As I said above there are ominous consequences to this becoming law.

We shall see what happens in NI. Although Julie Bindel is an idiot, who ignores evidence, she does command a constituency.  If Labour become the majority party in the next parliament Harriet Harbeast (as deputy PM) might well have this on her agenda.

Offline Aspen

Although Julie Bindel is an idiot, who ignores evidence, she does command a constituency.

What's more to the point is that a lot of people agree with her by default. (without even thinking about the subject for a second)
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Offline Ben4454


I just don't see how in practice this legislation would even work. I assume somewhere in the legislation it would read 'paying for sex' but if you're paying for time and not sex (like most agencies read) and in no way communicate to the girl you're paying for sex than you could not be criminalised for it. 

Although I do see the potential for a new Romanian scam to pop up that they blackmail you for more money or they'll run to the police.
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Offline Ben4454


Just to further show how ridiculous this law is - what about internet porn? The directors are paying the girl for her time and the sex. - Does this mean that porn can no longer be made ?

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