Author Topic: Providers using WhatsApp  (Read 5313 times)

Offline Steel

I have searched the forums and I can see that quite a number of punters have made their arrangements via WhatsApp.

Although I use WhatsApp it isn't something I've ever used to arrange a punt, just wondering if anyone knows why a lot of providers now seem to be insisting on comms via WhatsApp only?

Offline Cerealkiller

I would say it is because WhatsApp messages are encrypted, also you can set the messages to dissappear after 24 hours or any set amount of time.

Offline Mr Garmin

It took me a while to get into WhatsApp and I was SMS only because it's what I know.  However I now find the old way of messaging really clunky and I love WA.  I can't actually tell you why I like it, perhaps it's the confirmation that a message has been received (also available on SMS) or more likely the fact that I know it's been read (unless they've turned off the facility).  The ability to easily send media and voice messages is also a great feature.

Offline Mr Garmin

I would say it is because WhatsApp messages are encrypted, also you can set the messages to dissappear after 24 hours or any set amount of time.

I don't get this, who's listening in to your messages?  And you can bet that, despite what's claimed, certain security services can still see them.

I very rarely come across providers that have disappearing messages set, <1%.  But view once pictures are not uncommon (usually in SD arrangements)

Offline Cerealkiller

I don't get this, who's listening in to your messages?  And you can bet that, despite what's claimed, certain security services can still see them.

I very rarely come across providers that have disappearing messages set, <1%.  But view once pictures are not uncommon (usually in SD arrangements)

I cant say who would be wanting to listen in to me booking a massage with someone, but maybe the girls feel safer with WhatsApp, I dont know. I've had a few girls asked me to use WhatsApp to communicate with them.

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I see lots of benefits for a punter using WhatsApp including the encryption and potential privacy inc locking and hiding chats. There is also more chance of seeing a photo of the SP on WhatsApp which can give more confidence of not getting switched and sometimes 1st view of face etc.

Of course these advantages work both ways and I have spoken to SP’s who have said they use the punters photo to help read the situation. Lots of punters have photos on WhatsApp so they get a view of us. I’ve also heard some say they ignore profiles without any photo at all due to bad experiences.

One last advantage is the ability to set up WhatsApp for business (can be done also on a separate e-SIM) this allows either a punter or SP to have their comms in a completely different place to other chats/comms and again more privacy.

I’d suggest this gets moved out of the regional chat and into the general chat. There are a few SP’s who often comment there who could give an accurate point of view.

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You will find that scammers and deposit takers will prefer to use WhatsApp because of the extra anonymity it brings.

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I use what’s app with my regular,so if like yesterday I’m arranging a booking and I request anal or something else it’s what she prefers to use if I’m asking rather than iMessage txt or wait till I see her on the day,I like to make sure it’s not sprung on her on the day and she prefers it that way
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I use what’s app with my regular,so if like yesterday I’m arranging a booking and I request anal or something else it’s what she prefers to use if I’m asking rather than iMessage txt or wait till I see her on the day,I like to make sure it’s not sprung on her on the day and she prefers it that way

That makes no sense to me?



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i would say - does it matter? if an SP wants comms via WA then do it. WA is a reliable messaging system, it poses no danager to punters so just do it!

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Personally, I prefer WhatsApp - cheaper on my punting PAYG SIM.  If the SP uses an iPhone with iMessage enabled, then it’s not an issue, but not all do.

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Offline meptalon

[...]  just wondering if anyone knows why a lot of providers now seem to be insisting on comms via WhatsApp only?

I've had exposure to that when trying to solve this exact problem for a customer.

Very simple indeed: what you send via Whatsapp does not count as a sent SMS. In the UK absolutely *none* of the "unlimited" consumer plans is truly unlimited (just read the fine print, you'll see). So for many girls, risking too high traffic (providers set a "fair" limit around 300 messages a day) is a risk for them to have their plan blocked. Either temporarily (then missing customers) or permanently and thus also losing corresponding ads paid, time to set them up, etc.

Just take 50 customers asking for details and like 5 or 6 messages back and forth and bingo, you're already in the red.

Even "pro" comms plan are mostly with a "fair usage" limit too. so much for unlimited. For what it's worth Vodafone does have real unlimited comms and texts for pros.

Offline Munter84

It's simple, discreet, widely used. Simple way to share photos and video. Also messages can be set to read-once or screenshotting disabled, providing extra anonymity.

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and if the signal is rubbish (I used to stay in a hotel where the signal was almost non existent in some rooms) at least you can still use WA, providing their Wi-Fi was working which it was often glitchy.
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Offline magnetico

Whatsapp calls don't show up on anyone's phone bill and it's good, very good.

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There are many reasons, a few of which are

It's free to use via a WiFi connection
You can see that its at least been delivered (not always if its been read or when someone was last online depending on their settings)
It's end to end encrypted
You can send media images on a one time view (can be got around)
You can report abuseive messages to WhatsApp
Not visible on a bill
Conversations can be set to disappear
You can see when someone is typing a reply
« Last Edit: September 12, 2025, 09:06:40 pm by MissWolf »

Offline Steel

I’d suggest this gets moved out of the regional chat and into the general chat. There are a few SP’s who often comment there who could give an accurate point of view.

Good point, sorry I didn't think of that.

Offline Steel

You will find that scammers and deposit takers will prefer to use WhatsApp because of the extra anonymity it brings.

This is what I was thinking.

Offline Steel

One last advantage is the ability to set up WhatsApp for business (can be done also on a separate e-SIM) this allows either a punter or SP to have their comms in a completely different place to other chats/comms and again more privacy.

That wouldn't work for me as I have WhatsApp and WhatsApp Business on the same phone on separate sims as I use it work and play as well  :D

Offline Steel

There are many reasons, a few of which are

It's free to use via a WiFi connection
You can see that its at least been delivered (not always if its been read or when someone was last online depending on their settings)
It's end to end encrypted
You can send media images on a one time view (can be got around)
You can report abuseive messages to WhatsApp
Not visible on a bill
Conversations can be set to disappear
You can see when someone is typing a reply

That is a pretty comprehensive explanation, thank you :) Ok, I'm not scared of using it now  :drinks:

Offline berksboy

This is what I was thinking.

Only a problem if you pay a deposit and i would never ever do that !

Offline SOSPunter

There are many reasons, a few of which are

It's free to use via a WiFi connection
You can see that its at least been delivered (not always if its been read or when someone was last online depending on their settings)
It's end to end encrypted
You can send media images on a one time view (can be got around)
You can report abuseive messages to WhatsApp
Not visible on a bill
Conversations can be set to disappear
You can see when someone is typing a reply

Can you please share how you get around the one time view ?

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Whereas I don't use it to arrange bookings.


I do use WA in my other life phone for very specific reasons eg groups essential to an activity. I find WA intrusive, slow to open particularly if I've had to turn my phone off, heavy on memory especially if people send photos and video, lost all chats when I upgraded my personal phone.

Regards my work phone I want the minimum number of apps on there for performance, and to be able to quickly and easily see everything in one place, without having to open different apps. Also the encryption has put me off using it, I don't know if this is currently the case but the authorities struggled to access WA - if I'm dead or in trouble I'd like to be found quickly and easily. Also requests to use WA are often associated with the enquirer wanting to send me a photo of himself, or 'get to know each other'.

Some of the places I travel to have very little signal, one dot of 4G is a luxury in my location and a city I travel to currently has incredibly poor signal quality in the centre. I do turn on Wi-Fi calling which works with texts if Wi-Fi is available works for both SMS text as well as calls.



I do have WA on a separate non-advertised number used for paid video/chat sessions, SP & performer support groups, keeping in contact with owned/subscribing subs (a BDSM term), sending photos from BDSM sessions (many subs want me to take photos during sessions). Still find it slow to open.

I do understand the benefits for example would save me 50p a text for enquiries from a non-UK mobile,and the same for sending screen shots of a conversation when someone denies contacting me & being difficult previously, but on the whole I'm sticking with SMS text, phone call, email.
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@Strawberry

You've mentioned a few times about phone performance issues, maybe you need a better phone?

I have tons of apps running simultaneously on my phone, including WhatsApp, which opens instantly. I never get any issues at all.

I'm using a Samsung Galaxy Ultra S25 and previously Samsung Fold Z4, both open and close and switch programmes instantly.

With the Fold I often ran two Apps side by side, including WhatsApp without any issues.

I still have a very old Galaxy S8+, but that struggles to run many apps.

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@Strawberry

You've mentioned a few times about phone performance issues, maybe you need a better phone?

I have tons of apps running simultaneously on my phone, including WhatsApp, which opens instantly. I never get any issues at all.

I'm using a Samsung Galaxy Ultra S25 and previously Samsung Fold Z4, both open and close and switch programmes instantly.

With the Fold I often ran two Apps side by side, including WhatsApp without any issues.

I still have a very old Galaxy S8+, but that struggles to run many apps.

Already done I've upgraded all my phones, with 3 phones I don't go top of the range I go for mid-range. Although performance is better on the new handsets, with many enquiries coming in be they new clients or current and regulars I need to be able to respond quickly. I like everything simple, in one place, with no risk of losing messages. I open the SMS app, see everything there, whereas I guess if I did use WhatsApp on my advertised number, some will still use SMS text so I'd have to flick between the two. Just going to find out if I can block video calls on WA, I wouldn't want people trying to video call me.
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Offline berksboy

Can you please share how you get around the one time view ?

You can use a other phone to take a pic of the pic sent via one time view ? i dont think you can take a screenshot of a one time view.

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Can you please share how you get around the one time view ?

No

If you can't work it out I'm not going to explain  :hi:

Offline Bond

I've installed a second WA app on my phone and it has effectively eliminated the need for a second phone, so I've stopped seeing ladies who don't use WA.

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@Strawberry

You've mentioned a few times about phone performance issues, maybe you need a better phone?

I have tons of apps running simultaneously on my phone, including WhatsApp, which opens instantly. I never get any issues at all.

I'm using a Samsung Galaxy Ultra S25 and previously Samsung Fold Z4, both open and close and switch programmes instantly.

With the Fold I often ran two Apps side by side, including WhatsApp without any issues.

I still have a very old Galaxy S8+, but that struggles to run many apps.

You've missed a key point - she lives in the Lake District and there's a severe bandwidth problem there for anyone trying to use mobile technology. All them bloody hills get in the way.
I've spent years running around the lakes on business and the only way I could stay in touch with the office was by piggybacking onto wifi networks, either via wifi calling (as she mentioned) or a VOIP application such as VOIPCheap (which only allows outgoing calls, not incoming). I'd spend ages running around trying to find an open wireless network - which usually resulted in me parked up outside an NHS clinic or surgery logged into their visitor's wifi
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You've missed a key point - she lives in the Lake District and there's a severe bandwidth problem there for anyone trying to use mobile technology. All them bloody hills get in the way.
I've spent years running around the lakes on business and the only way I could stay in touch with the office was by piggybacking onto wifi networks, either via wifi calling (as she mentioned) or a VOIP application such as VOIPCheap (which only allows outgoing calls, not incoming). I'd spend ages running around trying to find an open wireless network - which usually resulted in me parked up outside an NHS clinic or surgery logged into their visitor's wifi

I have been advised by someone with IT knowledge to minimise connecting to public wifi - and be incredibly careful when doing so. Some people set up fake wifie hotspots for example, I actually have one very scary experience of this travelling to London by train. Thankfully I realised fairly quickly, but my Spotify account was altered as a result.

There are actually a few places I get excellent signal, better than in some of the larger towns and the city I mentioned. Also if I am roaming around I don't want to be spending 5 minutes each time I enter a shop/bank/wifi source creating an account just to read messages.

Because of my location I actually used a Blackberry as my workphone for as long as possible - it was great in low/poor signal situations. I actually had it side by side with an android for a quite some time comparing the performance. Dreaded moving to a Samsung for work, but had to be done.

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There are many reasons, a few of which are

It's free to use via a WiFi connection
You can see that its at least been delivered (not always if its been read or when someone was last online depending on their settings)
It's end to end encrypted
You can send media images on a one time view (can be got around)
You can report abuseive messages to WhatsApp
Not visible on a bill
Conversations can be set to disappear
You can see when someone is typing a reply



All very secure, as long as the wrong people don't get hold of your phone!

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Offline snoopy

Maybe I'm being stupid but doesn't WA send your real name out?

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Maybe I'm being stupid but doesn't WA send your real name out?
How can it send out any other name than the one you put in?  :unknown:  Who uses their real name in the world of punting?   :unknown:

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My punting SIM ran out of credit and didn't renew, so I can't make phone calls or text from it right now. But I can keep using Whatsapp, so long as I am connected to WiFi. It's been very useful for sending out queries when I am trying to book a SP, and even when I'm away from home I just hotspot from my main phone so that I can still use the punting phone.

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How can it send out any other name than the one you put in?  :unknown:  Who uses their real name in the world of punting?   :unknown:
Good point, maybe I need to upgrade my punting phone so it can do WhatsApp

Offline another381

Great timing on this post, I was about to start a thread myself but from a different angle. I was going to ask why more UK WGs don't use Whatsapp because in my experience I can never find one that does. Am I wrong?

On the other hand in Colombia it's all done via whatsapp and much easier to arrange meets, hide / archive chats etc. You can see when they're online and when they've read your messages. With the business accounts they can set up automatic replies for first texts. Very handy to send a list of services and prices. In my early punting days i would often run out of credit right when I needed it most.  :lol: That's not the case if they're using WA, you only need an internet connection and don't have to worry about reception.

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I use whatsapp business now - this is just a spare whatsapp. So I have two whatsapps on my phone, the business one linked to my Hushed phone number.  So I have my punting name on the spare whatsapp.  I also put a face lock on it.  Even if I make a bad error and leave my phone open, no one but me can open the spare whatsapp.

I also use Line (Thailand), and Telegram (Spain) and WeChat (China) since that is more popular for escorts in those places.

Offline petermisc

All very secure, as long as the wrong people don't get hold of your phone!
Exactly.  For all the hype about how secure WhatsApp is, it is only as secure as your phone.  If someone can access your phone, they can see your messages.  Your phone is the weakest link.

I recently had an issue with an SP using WA.  She had given me her postcode and directions to contact her when outside a particular premises.  Unfortunately when I got there, the signal strength was so poor that I lost mobile broadband, and so was unable to contact her via WA.  Fortunately SMS worked.
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Unfortunately when I got there, the signal strength was so poor that I lost mobile broadband, and so was unable to contact her via WA.  Fortunately SMS worked.

I have the opposite problem.

Where i live there is no mobile signal, so I use WiFi calling on my regular phone (SamsungS25). I can also receive SMS messages. My provider is Vodafone.

With my punting phone I can sometimes make wifi calls, but I cannot receive or send SMS messages. I'm using a Tesco PAYG SIM in a Huawei phone. WhatsApp works perfect.

Also, if my PAYG SIM is out of data I can still use WhatsApp, even when I'm away from home using my Samsung as a WiFi hotspot.

Offline Snipper

Regarding signal coverage in rural areas. My job used to take me to some very remote locations indeed so I have often experienced the frustration of driving around trying to find a signal. My understanding is that the new Emergency Services Network to replace Tetra will use 4G and to provide blanket coverage EE have installed a large number of new cellsites in rural areas, so they (or the cheaper providers who use EE infrastructure) might be the best choice for people living in the sticks.

Offline big-al93

Regarding signal coverage in rural areas. My job used to take me to some very remote locations indeed so I have often experienced the frustration of driving around trying to find a signal. My understanding is that the new Emergency Services Network to replace Tetra will use 4G and to provide blanket coverage EE have installed a large number of new cellsites in rural areas, so they (or the cheaper providers who use EE infrastructure) might be the best choice for people living in the sticks.

You are both right and wrong at the same time, ESN is not replacing tetra as almost 10 years into the project it still isn't reliable enough. They are being used in conjunction with each other as the airwaves system (tetra) doesn't deal with large amounts of data well.

The ESN cellsites have been in place for quite some time and have no impact on EE coverage other than where they add in a second EE site on the tower that the goverment paid them to build.

There are other goverment supported schemes aimed at improving signal in rural areas,most notably Shared Rural Network (SRN) which builds towers in areas that need better signal and several operators are allowed to share the space on the tower. There was a similar scheme in Scotland funded by the Scottish Goverment called S4GI (Scotland 4G Infrastructure IIRC) which was used to achieve the promise of access to fast internet by a certain date. The thinking being that 4G data speeds were good enough for all the areas that BT would not be able to roll out full fibre in time (or ever)

Offline Love2come

I have the opposite problem.

Where i live there is no mobile signal, so I use WiFi calling on my regular phone (SamsungS25). I can also receive SMS messages. My provider is Vodafone.

With my punting phone I can sometimes make wifi calls, but I cannot receive or send SMS messages. I'm using a Tesco PAYG SIM in a Huawei phone. WhatsApp works perfect.

Also, if my PAYG SIM is out of data I can still use WhatsApp, even when I'm away from home using my Samsung as a WiFi hotspot.
If you back up WhatsApp it is not secure as it's decrypted on the place you have saved it to. Telegram is the most secure as when you back it up it saves to their own place in the cloud and remains encrypted. 

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If you back up WhatsApp it is not secure as it's decrypted on the place you have saved it to. Telegram is the most secure as when you back it up it saves to their own place in the cloud and remains encrypted.

I'm not worried about security on my punting phone, I'll just bin it and get a new one if I need to.

Plenty of SPs use WhatsApp, but how many SP's use Telegram?

Offline MLawro93

I'm not worried about security on my punting phone, I'll just bin it and get a new one if I need to.

Plenty of SPs use WhatsApp, but how many SP's use Telegram?

Anyone I've communicated via Telegram ended up being a scammer. Not sure why, but stopped using it

Offline Love2come

I'm not worried about security on my punting phone, I'll just bin it and get a new one if I need to.

Plenty of SPs use WhatsApp, but how many SP's use Telegram?
I was just pointing it out on the back of the discussion around security as many people do not realise this about WhatsApp. I was not trying to say SPs use Telegram was just adding my knowledge tom this discussion. Lot's of people use duel sim so they don't want to be throwing phones away they just need to stop backing up the cloned WhatsApp they use with the second number if they are bothered about such things.   

Offline Love2come

I'm not worried about security on my punting phone, I'll just bin it and get a new one if I need to.

Plenty of SPs use WhatsApp, but how many SP's use Telegram?
I replied to the wrong person initially as I meant to reply to the person who mentioned about security which I don't believe was you. Hence you sharp reply to me, so apologise

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I replied to the wrong person initially as I meant to reply to the person who mentioned about security which I don't believe was you. Hence you sharp reply to me, so apologise

Sorry, I didn't realise I was sharp.

No sharpness meant  :hi: