NHS to offer a Gonorrhoea Vaccine

[Doc Holliday]

30 years is just an arbitrary number, but the point I'm making is that unless a vaccine has been out for several years, then I would not trust it not to have any side effects which are serious, so I choose not to take it. I see your point about the meningitis B vaccine, and I haven't done any research on it, but if it is a vaccine made from that, it may have fewer side effects. Still, I personally would not take it unless I am completely sure and the only way to know that is for it to remain in the public for at least a few years so I know its risks.

Thanks for the reply. The point about vaccines is that any side effects are discovered within a fairly short period of time. We did not need 30 years to discover the issues with the Covid vaccine once it was rolled out on a large scale.

This is because it is a 'one hit' regime and your body is meant to 'react' to it. You may however require a much longer period of time to ascertain the effects of taking medication on a daily basis over either a very long period or repeated periods. That could be measured in decades to establish the full picture.

[Punting2022]

Which untested vaccine are you referring to?

Covid one was a scam. Far too many young dieing of it. Lots of bad side effects for a few i know.
It was a common cold. Deaths in uk were reported wrong anyway. If you were stabbed but positive and died. They reported as a covid death etc

[Hobbit]

What's "but he didn't realise he was dealing with The Hobbit" if it isn't going macho?   

I think you need to change doctors if they have that sort of attitude, every year I get offered Covid and flu vaccines, sometimes by txt message sometimes in person, every year I say no and that's the end of it and that's despite me being in a high risk group.

All they do is make a note on my medical record that they were offered and refused.

It's just a bit of banter, mate. I wouldn't worry too much about it, but at the same time I'm sure you know me by now. I'm not the kind of person that's agreeable just for the sake of it or to follow the crowd. 

[Hobbit]

Thanks for the reply. The point about vaccines is that any side effects are discovered within a fairly short period of time. We did not need 30 years to discover the issues with the Covid vaccine once it was rolled out on a large scale.

This is because it is a 'one hit' regime and your body is meant to 'react' to it. You may however require a much longer period of time to ascertain the effects of taking medication on a daily basis over either a very long period or repeated periods. That could be measured in decades to establish the full picture.

I would slightly disagree. You would need to define: what do you mean by a short period of time? Do you mean six months, one year, or five years, etc.?

Everybody's body and immune systems are different due to various influences, and these side effects can appear at any given time over a certain period of time. I therefore said 30 years. That way we know if there are any side effects, if there is any corruption involved (especially as there are large pharmaceutical companies with lots of money at play), and also whether these vaccines actually work.

That is why I think 30 years was the arbitrary number that I gave, but I can round it down to 20 years if that sounds better.

[Doc Holliday]

Covid one was a scam. Far too many young dieing of it. Lots of bad side effects for a few i know.
It was a common cold. Deaths in uk were reported wrong anyway. If you were stabbed but positive and died. They reported as a covid death etc

Yes Covid wasn't fully tested and was licenced for emergency use when introduced.

But you said 'again' which means you think the MenB vaccine under discussion here is also untested?

untested vaccines again, Forget it, after the last vaccines NHS done. Why would people use this poison

[Doc Holliday]

I would slightly disagree. You would need to define: what do you mean by a short period of time? Do you mean six months, one year, or five years, etc.?

Slightly? Sounds more like completely? 

As I said in my other post, how long after the Covid vaccine was given did all the side effects become apparent? Two years is ample.

Everybody's body and immune systems are different due to various influences, and these side effects can appear at any given time over a certain period of time.

Yes individual immune systems can show variances, which is why some get side effects to vaccines and others don't. However the side effects will initially show within a very short period of time,normally the first days or week after inoculation and not years after.

That does not mean to say that the symptoms of that side effect are also always short lived. They usually are, but for some they can persist and may even be lifelong.

However you will not suddenly develop a new side effect of a vaccine months or years after you have received it. 

With regard to how effective a vaccine is under 'real life'conditions (as distinct from laboratory/trials) then that may take some years and is always part of an ongoing process.

In the case of MenB vaccine it is looking likely that is not effective being used 'off label' for Gonorrhoea, but is both safe an effective for its original purpose 

[Hobbit]

Slightly? Sounds more like completely? 

As I said in my other post, how long after the Covid vaccine was given did all the side effects become apparent? Two years is ample.

Yes individual immune systems can show variances, which is why some get side effects to vaccines and others don't. However the side effects will initially show within a very short period of time,normally the first days or week after inoculation and not years after.

That does not mean to say that the symptoms of that side effect are also always short lived. They usually are, but for some they can persist and may even be lifelong.

However you will not suddenly develop a new side effect of a vaccine months or years after you have received it. 

With regard to how effective a vaccine is under 'real life'conditions (as distinct from laboratory/trials) then that may take some years and is always part of an ongoing process.

In the case of MenB vaccine it is looking likely that is not effective being used 'off label' for Gonorrhoea, but is both safe an effective for its original purpose 

I guess I was being humble when I said "slightly." Either way,, it doesn't matter what we agree or disagree on. It's just my opinion, and I understand your opinion but with regards to the testing of vaccines, we never know the full demographic of whom they have tested on and who they have missed. Therefore, we can never know the full side effects that can occur at any given time. Yes, they may not occur after several years, but who knows? I'm sure there’s stories out there of illnesses that are now occurring, which could be, I'm not saying they are, after effects of vaccines.

[RedKettle]

This subject does provoke strong views on all sides and quickly deteriorates into argument - and yes I am included in that!  I will try and make my points in a non confrontational, lets discuss, sort of way.

Some of my frustration is that people quote specific cases to justify the overall policy - so for example they know a healthy young person who reacted badly to the Covid vaccine and suffered life changing implications.  Or (the one I am more likely to quote when doing what I hate) the healthy and super fit 25 year old who was killed by Covid despite people saying it is just a cold.

But neither of these are relevant to the policy decision.  We know that vaccines can have side effects and for a small number of people that can be severe.  However if the roll out will save (and I make these numbers up for illustration only) 200,000 lives and ease symptoms for another 300,000 but will harm 50 people the decision is easy.  However much people highlight the 50 individual cases it remains right to roll out the vaccine. 

If those numbers are based on 20 million vaccines then your odds of being harmed are incredibly small.

I have used an incredibly simple and unrealistic set of numbers to try and make a point.  This is all really complicated stuff and I know I am not qualified to assess it and I am also certain that most of the people making negative comments are also far from able to.  So we have people (like those in the queue that our fellow member walked past) being put off potentially life saving treatment by people who frankly have no idea about what they are talking about.

Just to give sone context to my position I was really worried about the Covid vaccine simply because it was developed so quickly and I did alot of research and worrying about it before deciding that I would go for it.  So I do understand why people are wary.

[Doc Holliday]

Either way,, it doesn't matter what we agree or disagree on. It's just my opinion, and I understand your opinion ...

Hobbit dear chap .. you are indeed entitled to express your opinion. I am not posting to try and change that, as I gave up on that futile task years ago   

I'm sure you know me by now. I'm not the kind of person that's agreeable just for the sake of it or to follow the crowd. 

I am posting the medical science for the benefit of others reading. This is derived from persons far more knowledgeable on the subject than I. That said the basic science is very simple to understand.