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Offline AnthG

Someone well respected in Newcastle told me that this started when some of the agencies started charging £50 for half hours and the girls only got £25 of that.
Yeah that was the Diamonds agency.

But do you not think it odd that if a girl happily works for an agency and gets £50 per hour and clearly is happy for it as she stays, and also joins up knowing the prices beforehand.

Then charges £120-160 per hour as an independent?

There was a thread where it might of been you yourself that said a young escort would never go into the business for £50 / hour.

Diamonds constantly has on their books around 30-40 girls all brand new to the business all 18-26 (one or two exceptions here and there) and they happily take £50 / hour.

It also makes a mockery of the defence that older Escorts who charge £160 / hour feel they are worth it. 3.1x the price of a gorgeous 18 year old new girl. Experience is not worth that much of a markup.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Yeah that was the Diamonds agency.

But do you not think it odd that if a girl happily works for an agency and gets £50 per hour and clearly is happy for it as she stays, and also joins up knowing the prices beforehand.

Good point.
I know nothing about Newcastle but I doubt there are many good jobs available for girls with no qualifications or skills, I bet when a new supermarket needs 100 staff they get 1000 applicants.
£50 an hour, 4 hours a day, 5 days a week puts her on £1000 a week.   :scare:

Offline James999

Good point.
I know nothing about Newcastle but I doubt there are many good jobs available for girls with no qualifications or skills, I bet when a new supermarket needs 100 staff they get 1000 applicants.
£50 an hour, 4 hours a day, 5 days a week puts her on £1000 a week.   :scare:

Which is £52k PA and as its tax free that's worth nearer £90,000 in a normal job, add benefits on top and the girls are laughing  :D

Offline AnthG

Another thing to add on this is if GG has said a respectable Escort in Newcastle has said every Escort here is forced to drop her prices due to one, or maybe two agencies putting these prices in.

Why does it just have to be here?

Can't an upcoming Agency in Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham etc come along and say here's what we will do. Undercut all the others in our region, and also undercut the girls on AW by charging £100 an hour.

As its been shown here in Newcastle girls will join by their bucket loads even with only £50 per hour in their hands

And from all the scandal that went on it was established Diamonds is not the best place to work so its not got all these girls joining due to fantastic working conditions.

And finally I may be wrong but if an agency charges £150 / hour but pays the girl (I presume) £75. Is not that much of a loss from charging £100 per hour and giving the girl £50.

The agency is not losing anything as the girl is the one on her back making the money.

It would be interesting if some agencies read this and join to comment on it. It works in Newcastle why not elsewhere?

Offline Jimmyredcab



As its been shown here in Newcastle girls will join by their bucket loads even with only £50 per hour in their hands


It would be interesting if some agencies read this and join to comment on it. It works in Newcastle why not elsewhere?

House of Divine in London charge a very sensible £120 an hour ------------ London is slightly more "affluent" than Newcastle so prices will always be higher.

Offline GlasgowGirl

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Yeah that was the Diamonds agency.

But do you not think it odd that if a girl happily works for an agency and gets £50 per hour and clearly is happy for it as she stays, and also joins up knowing the prices beforehand

Then charges £120-160 per hour as an independent?

There was a thread where it might of been you yourself that said a young escort would never go into the business for £50 / hour.

Diamonds constantly has on their books around 30-40 girls all brand new to the business all 18-26 (one or two exceptions here and there) and they happily take £50 / hour.

It also makes a mockery of the defence that older Escorts who charge £160 / hour feel they are worth it. 3.1x the price of a gorgeous 18 year old new girl. Experience is not worth that much of a markup.

I don't think they are "happily taking" £50 per hour. If they went independent then they would obviously have to up their rates to include at the very least accommodation for their incalls or travel expenses for outcalls. And advertising if they wished to be busy which puts a huge dent in their money. Also, having to work alone to stay within the law whereas in the agency incalls they will be able to work with another girl without risk of arrest as it will be the agency itself up for charges.

Why do you think any WG will go with an agency when they take so much of a cut? The reasons are usually that they are just "trying out" the business and don't want all the time and expense of actually running a business, answering calls, checking clients, paying out money etc. They want someone else to take all the hassle out of it for them, either because they are just trying the business or they are working short-term or have too many other commitments to put in the time required to be indie. 

I know someone who worked for Diamonds or A1 and they were very certainly NOT happy with the prices since the agencies are oversaturated with WGs therefore waiting around all day for 2 or 3 clients a day max at £25 a time for yourself (like glasgow it's mainly 30min bookings she told me) you'd be taking home £50-£75 - you could get more than that doing a nightshift in tescos! She left because of the low prices and competition. 

I did not say that NO women (18 y.o or otherwise) will go into the business at £50 per hour, I said that fewer will start and even fewer will continue. The ones who do will be doing so out of desperation rather than much choice (why do you think street workers charge £20? and that's for a short time! there aren't many non-desperate street workers are there). You simply cannot compare letting strangers whom you may or may not even fancy or like have sex and intimacy with you to any other job - like I have said before it requires either large sums of money to tempt some people into it, or desperation. If men could be a female for a day they would understand and most would say "errrrgh no way!" much as the vast majority of women say "errrrgh no way!" or dip their toe in a little just to be scared off by the many timewasters and nasty people this industry contains (male and female - I've been conned by females too a few times).

Offline James999

If they went independent then they would obviously have to up their rates to include at the very least accommodation for their incalls
Council provide that for most

travel expenses for outcalls.
Most pass these costs onto the client

advertising
AW is FREE  

And of course if they are not linked to an agency they are less likely to be sussed by the Revenue / benefits agency  ;)

Offline AnthG

I don't think they are "happily taking" £50 per hour. If they went independent then they would obviously have to up their rates to include at the very least accommodation for their incalls or travel expenses for outcalls.
Ok not happy but content.

Also you mentioned yourself the reason why the majority of girls in Newcastle charge £100 per hour is solely due to the agencies forcing them to.

If Diamonds weren't there it would be £150 / hour here too.

So why if all the girls here are content with £100 as an independent, £50 as an agency must this be the only city in England with this price structure.

Why can't other cities adopt the same scheme? (obviously this price scheme would be terrible for the Escorts as they want the most money for the littlest amount of work, I am meaning why can't they for the punter?).

Most pass these costs onto the client

That is true, every single girl I have saw charges £20 more for an outcall. As do the agencies too.

£20 is steep, its £3.50 for a bus or £3 for metro day pass; and that will cover all their other appts for the day too!

Petrols expensive but not £20 for a 10 mile radius expensive (most girls only see people in a 10m radius)
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Offline GlasgowGirl

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Council provide that for most
Most pass these costs onto the client
AW is FREE  

And of course if they are not linked to an agency they are less likely to be sussed by the Revenue / benefits agency  ;)

blah blah blah. . . . 

a) MOST people (all people, including WGs) I know live in private lets and pay their own rents or if older have mortgages, and I live in a very working class, high crime place.
b) erm... obviously. But the outcall agencies do not charge the client extra for travel and still expect the girl to get there herself or pay a driver out of her fee. And as far as I'm aware the cheapest agencies are usually the incall ones.
c) AW as an only source of advertising will dry up for the girl after around 1 year - 18 months as the new-girl status wears off and most of the "hardcore" punters in the area have seen her. Unless she moves around a lot. This is well-documented by many escorts. That's when paid advertising is needed.
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d) god knows why you are so obsessed with WG tax status, whether they are in receipt of state benefits, and whether they live in council accommodation! and why the hell you keep dragging threads off topic with this irrelevant issue.

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Ok not happy but content.

Also you mentioned yourself the reason why the majority of girls in Newcastle charge £100 per hour is solely due to the agencies forcing them to.

If Diamonds weren't there it would be £150 / hour here too.

So why if all the girls here are content with £100 as an independent, £50 as an agency must this be the only city in England with this price structure.

Why can't other cities adopt the same scheme? (obviously this price scheme would be terrible for the Escorts as they want the most money for the littlest amount of work, I am meaning why can't they for the punter?).

That is true, every single girl I have saw charges £20 more for an outcall. As do the agencies too.

£20 is steep, its £3.50 for a bus or £3 for metro day pass; and that will cover all their other appts for the day too!

Petrols expensive but not £20 for a 10 mile radius expensive (most girls only see people in a 10m radius)

This is why I don't charge full rate for outcalls within a certain distance, it simply isn't fair.

Offline James999

WG tax status, whether they are in receipt of state benefits, and whether they live in council accommodation! and why the hell you keep dragging threads off topic with this irrelevant issue.

They are relevant to the discussion, I do find it odd that you find the subject of Tax so scary  :scare: most of us just pay it and live with it, it does seem to cause concern for those that shirk the system  :dash:

Offline Jimmyredcab

blah blah blah. . . . 

a) MOST people (all people, including WGs) I know live in private lets and pay their own rents or if older have mortgages, and I live in a very working class, high crime place.

That has not been my experience.    :rolleyes:

Offline GlasgowGirl

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Ok not happy but content.

Also you mentioned yourself the reason why the majority of girls in Newcastle charge £100 per hour is solely due to the agencies forcing them to.

If Diamonds weren't there it would be £150 / hour here too.

So why if all the girls here are content with £100 as an independent, £50 as an agency must this be the only city in England with this price structure.

Why can't other cities adopt the same scheme? (obviously this price scheme would be terrible for the Escorts as they want the most money for the littlest amount of work, I am meaning why can't they for the punter?).

That is true, every single girl I have saw charges £20 more for an outcall. As do the agencies too.

£20 is steep, its £3.50 for a bus or £3 for metro day pass; and that will cover all their other appts for the day too!

Petrols expensive but not £20 for a 10 mile radius expensive (most girls only see people in a 10m radius)

Yes, they are being forced to accept lower rates by those agencies who undercut but themselves do not actually have to do any of the work of having sex and intimacy with strangers. Do you think this is a good idea? Fair enough you get to shag a girl at £20 cheaper - woo hoo - but what if she is miserable for having to lower her rates of what she thinks she is worth? or having to see more clients to make the same income and therefore is worn-out and tired? Would you still be as happy then?

As for your other point , no the outcall-only agencies do not charge extras for travel within 10 miles - the cost is passed on to the girl. There's no way in hell I'd be going to any strangers house without a driver and I'd be giving the driver £20 to sit outside. Even assuming the girl is happy to take public transport to bookings (and I know a girl who does), then do you think she'd be able to get to the punter within the timeframe he wants? since most outcalls are relatively short notice and at night, especially for agencies. Obviously not - then a taxi would be needed, at least to the place.

And why is it terrible for a WG to charge more for outcalls? there is a lot of extra time involved where she is away from her base - time in which she could be having other punters for incall. Most businesses who visit homes charge a high price for their travel and time.

Offline James999

AW as an only source of advertising will dry up for the girl after around 1 year - 18 months

that's an odd thing to say, as most GOOD pro$$ies will have secured a sufficient client base and repeat clients within that time frame, I know of loads of good girls who only use AW and are getting more bookings than they can handle  :cool:

If clients are only seeing you once and not returning then perhaps you need to reconsider your approach  :(

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They are relevant to the discussion, I do find it odd that you find the subject of Tax so scary  :scare: most of us just pay it and live with it, it does seem to cause concern for those that shirk the system  :dash:

I don't find it scary - what I find scary (and boring) is your insistence that every thread is dragged off topic by your insistence on going on about tax tax tax at every given opportunity....

Offline James999

It's relevant to the topic, your debate about it is dragging it off topic, but I appreciate your attempt to deflect  :D

Offline Jimmyredcab

blah blah blah. . . . 

c) AW as an only source of advertising will dry up for the girl after around 1 year - 18 months as the new-girl status wears off and most of the "hardcore" punters in the area have seen her. Unless she moves around a lot. This is well-documented by many escorts. That's when paid advertising is needed.and


Also not always the case.
After 18 months on Adultwork the girl should have built up a large regular clientele.  ;)

Offline AnthG

Come on Ben Franklin had to stop saying there's two guarantees in life; Death and Taxes, when he met his first escort.

(its just a joke so no offence).

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that's an odd thing to say, as most GOOD pro$$ies will have secured a sufficient client base and repeat clients within that time frame, I know of loads of good girls who only use AW and are getting more bookings than they can handle  :cool:

If clients are only seeing you once and not returning then perhaps you need to reconsider your approach  :(

No, it's true for the reasons I have stated. New-girl status wears off and not ALL punters know about AW anyway. It has a vast vast proportion of timewasters (both male and female). These "good girls" that you know, how long have they been around for then?? 2 years plus? nope, didn't think so.

Most of my bookings are repeat bookings actually  :cool: but obviously regulars have a shelf-life and punters are fickle (as most you will agree on here, you are always out looking for 'new gems').

Ask ParisB if you need clarification. I'm not saying business grinds to a halt after a few years on AW, I'm saying it slows to 1-2 bookings a day on average. and it's dependent on area. If a WG wants more than that after a few years she will have to start advertising elsewhere. Adultwork is an "amateur" type site.

Offline James999

MOST people (all people, including WGs) I know live in private lets and pay their own rents
That has not been my experience. 

I have to agree, but I dd see a cutie last week and she moaned about her rent cost, she said she has to rent privately and pay it herself as she has been done by the council for claiming housing benefit whilst working and not declaring income,

She said it wasn't all bad though as at least she didn't have to pay any tax or NI as she did when she had a proper job  :cry:

Offline James999

No, it's true for the reasons I have stated. New-girl status wears off and not ALL punters know about AW anyway.

Well it is safe to say that I know more pro$$ies than you, and have probably been around it longer than you, and loads of pro$$ies tell me that AW brings them in more work than they can handle, it doesn't require all punters to know about AW, but enough know about it for it to provide sufficient work for the good girls on it.  :P

If it is not working for you, then perhaps look at yoruself / your servcie / your offering, but don't make the assumption that other girls are having the same problems as you.  :cool:

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Of course you would agree  :lol:

Why did the topic even come up James? Do you go on about tax/benefits etc in actual real bookings too? Would it not be better to just concentrate on getting the sex you want, since you have after all paid for it, it would be better to spend the precious time shagging rather than talking about taxes would it?

Actually in reality, only WGs with young children or a partner working would get away with it. You can't be single, getting your rent + council tax paid and your £65 a week allowance and not be expected to be seriously looking for jobs and proving you are looking. You have to go to the jobcentre every week and physically apply there and then. You can't just disappear off the radar and still get your rent and ct paid!

Also, the rules will soon be changing and anyone single and under the age of 35 will only be allowed a cheap room in a shared house. This is a definite and will be going through in Apr 2012. So maybe you and Jimmy can come back after then and report that all the single ladies under 35 you see after that date you saw them in their paid-for-by-council rooms in shared bedsits? Doubt it!

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Well it is safe to say that I know more pro$$ies than you, and have probably been around it longer than you, and loads of pro$$ies tell me that AW brings them in more work than they can handle, it doesn't require all punters to know about AW, but enough know about it for it to provide sufficient work for the good girls on it.  :P

If it is not working for you, then perhaps look at yoruself / your servcie / your offering, but don't make the assumption that other girls are having the same problems as you.  :cool:

It is working for me just fine thanks very much  :D I need not look at anything, I have my own reasons for working and methods. Do you want to tell the very attractive hot WGs offering full services that they should be absolutely inundated with work from AW after a couple of years? or else they should be looking at themselves?

It has been said before - you only know what WGs tell you about themselves. I know many prostitutes and they have nothing to gain by lying to me as they do by lying to you!

I agree with Smiths viewpoint.  Age really doesn't matter for me, as long as she's hot, provides the services I want & at a rate I'm happy to pay then punt on  :music:

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I agree with Smiths viewpoint.  Age really doesn't matter for me, as long as she's hot, provides the services I want & at a rate I'm happy to pay then punt on  :music:

I know it's not punting-specific but I get what you mean about age just being a number as long as you fancy the person / find them attractive. I would go for a man or woman from slightly older than me (25) right up to maybe 49. The reason I wouldn't go older is that it would creep me out knowing the person was in the same decade as my parents  :scare: but if I met someone and they lied about their age being 42 when they were in fact 52, as long as I still found them attractive it would not make much difference to the chemistry I'd imagine.

Some people are really picky, in real-life and in punting. Some people are not and will go for anyone they genuinely fancy (at a much wider range).

In reality I find I have most in common and find men and women most attractive in their early 30s, but like I say there is a huge range within that. 


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