Racist escorts

[James999]

"They" make their decisions based on ignorance and racism.

How do you know they make their decisions on ignorance or racism, have you spoken to any of them?

[Sienna_Bronze]

How do you know they make their decisions on ignorance or racism, have you spoken to any of them?

Why? Have you?

[James999]

Why? Have you?

Yep 

[Marmalade]

When I read that on a prossie's profile, her one or two bad experiences, it has usually come across as sincere and almost apologetic. She might be 'prejudiced' but is admitting the reason, which she feels helpless to ignore.

Hopefully such a prossie will find her way to a better vetting system and also have the good fortune to meet one or two very nice black gentlemen.  But until she does, I'm not going to slag her off for it when she makes her feelings known in advance and in as polite and respecful a way as she can manage.

What would be the alternative?  Don't work as a prostitute? Work in fear? No. People learn and grow at their own pace, not ours.

[denneboom]

It does matter if they beat the girl up and take their money 

In an all night parlour with CCTV where the receptionist controls the lock in the front door this is near impossible. They have a security guard too.

Yet two or three or their girls still refuse black men.

[Marmalade]

In an all night parlour with CCTV where the receptionist controls the lock in the front door this is near impossible. They have a security guard too.

No it's not. There's no CCTV in the room when the prossie is there with the client.

[denneboom]

No it's not. There's no CCTV in the room when the prossie is there with the client.

Fair enough, but in a parlour where they can see the client before they let him in, have a guy security inside, a receptionist, CCTV in the hall ways and between 3 and 10 other girls one of whom will have let the client back out again when he leaves, the safety here is higher than in most set ups. Not totally safe I admit.

In Birmingham there are at least five parlours with this arrangement. Caucasian,Black and Asian clients can be aggressive and you can't
tell by looking who is going to cause the issues. You people comment as if caucasians never steal or become violent, and as if black guys cause problems more often than they don't.

 

[Marmalade]

leave off with your "you people" if you will mate: not everyone on here has the same views, in fact there are many different ones. Pitting yourself against the whole of the forum is hardly a bright idea, and are you so conceited as to think that you can know and group what everyone else thinks and says and condemn it with a sweeping statement?

[denneboom]

leave off with your "you people" if you will mate: not everyone on here has the same views, in fact there are many different ones. Pitting yourself against the whole of the forum is hardly a bright idea, and are you so conceited as to think that you can know and group what everyone else thinks and says and condemn it with a sweeping statement?

I appreciate not everyone has the same views. We all have different perspectives & experiences. I welcome the debate and any opinions.

The "you people" line is directed at two or three commenters here. Ones who believe all of any of a certain group of people should be viewed with suspicion with no evidence other than physical appearance or racial ancestry. That is something which has happened to me (and others on this forum) many times and can cause hurt, offense and isolation. Yet in the business we are talking about I totally understand why that happens sometimes.

You might think that is justified but "the whole forum" certainly does not agree with this.

I still will not accept that a dark skinned person can be presumed to be violent upon first meeting and I will debate with anyone on this forum that point.

[west8]

I still will not accept that a dark skinned person can be presumed to be violent upon first meeting and I will debate with anyone on this forum that point.

Agreed.

But that isn't the reason WGs stipulate a preference or make assumptions. It's not about colour - it's about cultural norms, values and beliefs.

Fuck, now I sound a like a Sociologist.

[hendrix]

Agreed.

But that isn't the reason WGs stipulate a preference or make assumptions. It's not about colour - it's about cultural norms, values and beliefs.

Fuck, now I sound a like a Sociologist.

Except.... I'm a brown skinned person that shares NONE of the norms, values or beliefs that said WG's may perceive as a problem. They're still going to turn me away just for being brown though. How would they know I'm not like that? Only by meeting me.. Which they won't.

As stated, I don't care,  as I'm hardly short of top quality punts and since I believe that excluding people from anything on the basis of skin colour is the sign of a non functional brain, I'm quite happy to avoid the thicko's. Smart girls make far better prossies

That's why I now refuse to see girls that say they will see asians  but won't see black guys.

[west8]

Except.... I'm a brown skinned person that shares NONE of the norms, values or beliefs that said WG's may perceive as a problem. They're still going to turn me away just for being brown though. How would they know I'm not like that? Only by meeting me.. Which they won't.

As stated, I don't care,  as I'm hardly short of top quality punts and since I believe that excluding people from anything on the basis of skin colour is the sign of a non functional brain, I'm quite happy to avoid the thicko's. Smart girls make far better prossies

That's why I now refuse to see girls that say they will see asians  but won't see black guys.

Of course you're right, but what would YOU do if you were a WG? Give every single individual a chance, or just opt for the safer +30, white, male?

Also, as mentioned above, the VAST majority of EE girls never saw a coloured guy before they left their own town/village/whatever so it's hardly surprising they almost universally hold the same stereotypes and suspicions.

[denneboom]

Except.... I'm a brown skinned person that shares NONE of the norms, values or beliefs that said WG's may perceive as a problem. They're still going to turn me away just for being brown though. How would they know I'm not like that? Only by meeting me.. Which they won't.

As stated, I don't care,  as I'm hardly short of top quality punts and since I believe that excluding people from anything on the basis of skin colour is the sign of a non functional brain, I'm quite happy to avoid the thicko's. Smart girls make far better prossies

That's why I now refuse to see girls that say they will see asians  but won't see black guys.

To add, to that......

I was born in the UK, follow a regional local football team, eat sunday roast dinners, have a mortgage, job, 1 year old car, christian parents, speak only English, have a collection of Rolling Stones, the Doors and The Beatles records, and a liking for British real ale.

My culture, values and beliefs aren't too different from many caucasian's but my part-Carribbean hertiage gives me black skin.

Like Hendrix I'm quite happy to swerve dumb whores. They miss out on a clean respectful undemanding punter.

I have also been refused by my own race as well.

[Sienna_Bronze]

Of course you're right, but what would YOU do if you were a WG? Give every single individual a chance, or just opt for the safer +30, white, male?

Erm actually it's this group that are statistically more likely to be nutty serial killers than black or Asian men!

[west8]

Erm actually it's this group that are statistically more likely to be nutty serial killers than black or Asian men!

So why don't you blanket ban all white males aged 30+ then? 

[denneboom]

Of course you're right, but what would YOU do if you were a WG? Give every single individual a chance, or just opt for the safer +30, white, male?

Also, as mentioned above, the VAST majority of EE girls never saw a coloured guy before they left their own town/village/whatever so it's hardly surprising they almost universally hold the same stereotypes and suspicions.

Well if EE girls are going to move to places like Birmingham they had better get used to seeing a few people with dark skin.

I have dated Hungarian and Czech girls who had no issue with my skin colour.

[west8]

Well if EE girls are going to move to places like Birmingham they had better get used to seeing a few people with dark skin.

I have dated Hungarian and Czech girls who had no issue with my skin colour.

You mean like second generation Asian brummies who still can't speak any fucking English?

[hendrix]

Worth pointing out that this thread was started by a banned troll who hates UKP. I'm sure he's well amused.

[Sienna_Bronze]

So why don't you blanket ban all white males aged 30+ then? 

I don't blanket ban ANYONE! I think those that do are ignorant and stupid and not really doing it based on any real evidence or else they would ban all men since they are statistically more likely to rape you! But hey it's their prerogative and their loss is someone else's gain.

[west8]

I don't blanket ban ANYONE! I think those that do are ignorant and stupid and not really doing it based on any real evidence or else they would ban all men since they are statistically more likely to rape you! But hey it's their prerogative and their loss is someone else's gain.

Wait .. so I'm not banned either?   

[Sienna_Bronze]

Wait .. so I'm not banned either?   

I don't even know you so why would you be banned?

[Marmalade]

I don't blanket ban ANYONE! I think those that do are ignorant and stupid and not really doing it based on any real evidence or else they would ban all men since they are statistically more likely to rape you! But hey it's their prerogative and their loss is someone else's gain.

Prossies get less fussy as they get older.

But I'm sure the "moral high ground" is a good selling point. 

[west8]

I don't even know you so why would you be banned?

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=46492.0

Enjoy 

[Sienna_Bronze]

Prossies get less fussy as they get older.

But I'm sure the "moral high ground" is a good selling point. 

I've never been fussy 

Like I said I do this for the money. I couldn't give a shit what the guy looks like!

[Marmalade]

Some prossies ban barebackers.

Although this gave me a chuckle:

Strangest request I've had was when I was pregnant, one punter just wanted to come round and stroke and then come on my bump. Needless to say I didn't see him.

So a blanket ban on what... harmless pervs? 

[Sienna_Bronze]

There is a stark difference between banning someone who's sexual preferences are unhealthy, bb, or make you feel uncomfortable. Blanket banning people because of their skin colour is not cool and not tolerated in any other industry but we all seem to think it's ok in this one?!

[west8]

There is a stark difference between banning someone who's sexual preferences are unhealthy, bb, or make you feel uncomfortable. Blanket banning people because of their skin colour is not cool and not tolerated in any other industry but we all seem to think it's ok in this one?!

Great - I'll get me coat.   

[Marmalade]

Great - I'll get me coat.   

Let's see what she says. You've admitted barebacking a prossie in the jacuzzi but maybe she'll see you anyway just to show she's not racially prejudiced. 

[west8]

Let's see what she says. You've admitted barebacking a prossie in the jacuzzi but maybe she'll see you anyway just to show she's not racially prejudiced. 

Racially prejudiced against a white guy in his thirties - that would be a first! 

[James999]

Blanket banning people because of their skin colour is not cool and not tolerated in any other industry but we all seem to think it's ok in this one?!

Hang on, you were asked earlier how many of these girls who have these bans in place you had spoken to and the result was ZERO, as such you have no idea of the problems they may have encountered, and being mugged / abused is not cool and not tolerated in any industry so why do you feel it's ok in this one?

[denneboom]

Hang on, you were asked earlier how many of these girls who have these bans in place you had spoken to and the result was ZERO, as such you have no idea of the problems they may have encountered, and being mugged / abused is not cool and not tolerated in any industry so why do you feel it's ok in this one?

I don't think anyone said being mugged/abused is cool.

What did she say that makes you believe she approves of prossies being mugged ? 

[James999]

I don't think anyone said being mugged/abused is cool.

We are in agreement then, and it is a pro$$ies choice what precautions she takes to reduce the risk 

[denneboom]

We are in agreement then, and it is a pro$$ies choice what precautions she takes to reduce the risk 

But....
What did she say that makes you believe she approves of pro$$ies being mugged ? 

We agree being mugged is not cool.

As for precautions that's another question. Are you going to suggest to me that refusing non-white punters is a valid method of reducing risk ?

I suspect that's where you're going with this.

[James999]

As for precautions that's another question. Are you going to suggest to me that refusing non-white punters is a valid method of reducing risk ?

If a pro$$ie decides it is then that's her choice, A pro$$ie can see who she wants 

[denneboom]

If a pro$$ie decides it is then that's her choice, A pro$$ie can see who she wants 

On my previous threads I accepted that but not always the reasons behind it. I'm OK with girls not wanting to see certain races.  I understand why sometimes. I get it.

They have a choice.

So do I.

I don't have see to whores who are paranoid, racist, or just fucking thick.

You are good at not answering questions.

What did she say that makes you believe she approves of pro$$ies being mugged ?

[James999]

I don't have see to whores who are paranoid, racist, or just fucking thick.

If they don't want to see you and you don't want to see them where is the problem?

 

[306]

if they have a problem seeing you MOVE ON !!

[Sienna_Bronze]

Yes because I think being mugged and abused is ok. That's exactly what I mean!!

Christ!!!

[Sienna_Bronze]

There is no problem. Racist people are entitled to their views 

[Ravanelli]

Racially prejudiced against a white guy in his thirties - that would be a first! 

What, you think that racial prejudice is only inflicted on non-whites?

[denneboom]

If they don't want to see you and you don't want to see them where is the problem?

No problem.

But I will challenge the idea that all black customers are violent while all, white customers are trouble free.

[west8]

What, you think that racial prejudice is only inflicted on non-whites?

Paste a link to an Adultwork profile of a girl who refuses to meet with *only* white guys.

Thanks.

[James999]

But I will challenge the idea that all black customers are violent while all, white customers are trouble free.

So you are going to contact the pro$$ies that exclude black guys and challenge them, don't forget to pop back and tell us how you get on 

[denneboom]

So you are going to contact the pro$$ies that exclude black guys and challenge them, don't forget to pop back and tell us how you get on 

I'm not asking the whores. I'm asking you.

[James999]

I'm not asking the whores. I'm asking you.

So you want me to justify why some pro$$ie won't see you due to her previous bad experiences with black guys, sorry I cant help you with that one, it's between you / her / the black guy/s who gave her the bad experience/s 

But as she doesn't want to see you and you don't want to see her it's pretty pointless anyway 

[denneboom]

So you want me to justify why some pro$$ie won't see you due to her previous bad experiences with black guys, sorry I cant help you with that one, it's between you / her / the black guy/s who gave her the bad experience/s 

But as she doesn't want to see you and you don't want to see her it's pretty pointless anyway 

I said and quote . . . .

"But I will challenge the idea that all black customers are violent while all, white customers are trouble free."

That's what I said. That's what I'm challenging/asking. I'm not asking you to justify anything. I already stated that I'm over it and understand why it happens, in some cases.

and yeah it is pointless if you won't answer the question.   

[James999]

I know what you said and I replied above, it's not up to me to justify a pro$$ies actions or choices, so you "challenge me on a forum" because a pro$$ie wont see you, that makes sense 

Or is it that you ask the question but don't like the answer 

[Sienna_Bronze]

I know what you said and I replied above, it's not up to me to justify a pro$$ies actions or choices, so you "challenge me on a forum" because a pro$$ie wont see you, that makes sense 

Or is it that you ask the question but don't like the answer 

Well you seem to think it's ok that some wg's base their decisions on racist stereotypes!

[denneboom]

I know what you said and I replied above, it's not up to me to justify a pro$$ies actions or choices, so you "challenge me on a forum" because a pro$$ie wont see you, that makes sense 

Or is it that you ask the question but don't like the answer 

Yeah OK.

I might not like the answer but you are entitled to an opinion. It's OK if a whore won't see me.

A shame though because I might skullfuck some intelligence into them.

There are plenty who will, from shanks to the top level.

I didn't challenge you, I challenged an idea, a mentality. I don't know what I said to make you think that.  I did not ask you to justify anyone's actions.

The questions were . . . .

What did she say that makes you believe she approves of being mugged ?

Are you suggesting that refusing non-white punters is a valid method of reducing risk ?

Just to be clear.


 

[James999]

Well you seem to think it's ok that some wg's base their decisions on racist stereotypes!

I think you mean racial sterotypes, so on that basis I'll reply. The problem with stereotypes is they often upset people because they are spot on, a pro$$ie is free to make her choices on whatever basis she wishes, you were asked earlier if you'd spoken to any pro$$ies that exclude black guys and you hadn't, yet you feel you are justified to say how they think 

And if a pro$$ie doesn't want to see ANY type that's cool its their choice