Racist escorts

[OldAdmin]

Nope

But you did have a second account, recently active and now deleted, which is against the site rules.

[Marmalade]

As a black guy punting, I have never really had an issue with this as if I feel like seeing anyone who doesn't see black guys I would simply email her and stating that I am black, cant do anything about it but would like to see her and ask her to state her worries. The only worry that has made me pass over someone who stated not wanting to see a black man was because she stated categorically that she did not like big Dicks of which (I'm not boasting or wanting to make anybody feel bad) I have one so fair play. if i had a small dick I would have emailed her saying I am black but I assure you that i have a small dick simple. One two instances I have had WGs tell me they didn't know I was black and I asked them why they still saw me and they said I looked non threatening.

To be honest the poster is right but I believe the class you project will always clear doubts.

Excellent post and welcome to UKP. A suspect a similar thing applies to age. Some prossies just feel safer having a blanket ban, some have certain limits. There's no point in arguing with them. But I agree that a non threatening intro often does a world of good. A lo of people don't believe in feedback from prossies. I like to keep mine topped up occasionally and always invite them to read it if they want to and I think they might be nervous. The world might not be a 'fair' place in some respects, but one can still handle it with a bit of dignity.

There is evidence to suggest that people who are racist, prejudice have a LOWER I.Q than the rest.

12 posts and mostly about race. In your case It would appear definitely to be true. I wonder why you bothered joining.

I have negatively reviewed an escort who made what I considered racist remarks during the punt (mentioning both her racist remarks and lack of service). They were along the lines of people of a certain race being stupid. I would not have considered it racist if she had stated on her website that she didn't see people of a certain care of skin colour. Some people don't understand the difference.

People owe each other a minimal level of politeness. They don't owe them their business or their services.

As for the inane comment about racism, it is exactly that. Often racism is due to ignorance and lack of knowledge, lack of friends or acquaintances of different ethnic backgrounds. Homophobic people too, it may be that they've never gotten to know someone who turned out to be gay. Even the studies about generalities and percentages do not, as suggested, suggest that racist people this or racist people that, only that a certain percentage. But there is a further slur there: that people with a lower I.Q. are inferior. Again, utter rubbish.

A lot of judging going on.  If someone judges you, and you sink to their level, what does it say about you...

[jac0bin]

But you did have a second account, recently active and now deleted, which is against the site rules.

Nope.
As far as I'm aware I've only ever used this one.
I've never been banned or sanctioned as I've never broken any rules.

[west8]

Often racism is due to ignorance and lack of knowledge, lack of friends or acquaintances of different ethnic backgrounds. Homophobic people too, it may be that they've never gotten to know someone who turned out to be gay. Even the studies about generalities and percentages do not, as suggested, suggest that racist people this or racist people that, only that a certain percentage. But there is a further slur there: that people with a lower I.Q. are inferior. Again, utter rubbish.

Exactly. The degree of intimacy involved when selling your body can be compared to no other.

If a WG wishes to have a preference - age, size, ethnicity, nationality, hair colour, height, etc I have no problem with that whatsoever.

Before any of the usual trolls jump in on the thread to accuse me of being a racist, it might be a good idea to check the nationalities and ethnicities of the girls I have reviewed. 

More imporantly, if a girl from a small town in deepest, darkest <insert former Soviet republic here> has certain prejudices toward certain ethnic groups, that is hardly their fault.

Much akin to a child raised in the Hitler Youth in 1930s Germany - what is normality in your everyday world is not normality in the wider, outside world.

[LanceVance]

I think I have hit on a simple solution. When searching AW, if I see a girl does not see Black Guys I just Blacklist them. That way, they do not clog up my future searches and I do not waste their time enquiring when they will not see me. Win-win all round 

[west8]

I think I have hit on a simple solution. When searching AW, if I see a girl does not see Black Guys I just Blacklist them. That way, they do not clog up my future searches and I do not waste their time enquiring when they will not see me. Win-win all round 

A very pragmatic approach LV.

It's very, very unfortunate that a great number of dangerous punters are indeed black guys, but I think it's wholly unfair to tarnish an entire colour because of the actions of those few despicable individuals.

[hendrix]

I think I have hit on a simple solution. When searching AW, if I see a girl does not see Black Guys I just Blacklist them. That way, they do not clog up my future searches and I do not waste their time enquiring when they will not see me. Win-win all round 

 

 I also now blacklist girls that don't see black/white/brown/yellow guys, even though I only fit one of those categories

[west8]

 I also now blacklist girls that don't see black/white/brown/yellow guys, even though I only fit one of those categories

Is there any way to blacklist girls who won't see a guy packing less than 6 inches? I'm growing tired of the disappointed glances when I disrobe. 

[LanceVance]

A very pragmatic approach LV.

It's very, very unfortunate that a great number of dangerous punters are indeed black guys, but I think it's wholly unfair to tarnish an entire colour because of the actions of those few despicable individuals.

Thanks.

You are right of course, and I have said it before on this forum, I am sure WGs have faced dangerous punters who were white but would not dream of banning all white punters because they put themselves out of business. WGs are able to ban Black/Asian punters because there are much less of us meaning their profits won't be hit by such a ban.

[west8]

Thanks.

You are right of course, and I have said it before on this forum, I am sure WGs have faced dangerous punters who were white but would not dream of banning all white punters because they put themselves out of business. WGs are able to ban Black/Asian punters because there are much less of us meaning their profits won't be hit by such a ban.

Indeed. A prime example of the hypocrisy that pervades this hobby of ours. It's unfortunate but at least there are those of us who are willing to never take anything personally.

[Sedlmayer]

Indeed. A prime example of the hypocrisy that pervades this hobby of ours. It's unfortunate but at least there are those of us who are willing to never take anything personally.

Fuck me - "hypocrisy" again.... Have you just learned a new word or something? You see hypocrisy everywhere  but I'm not sure that you actually understand what it means. There's no hypocrisy in a girl stating openly that her policy is not to see members of certain groups (ethnicity, stature, age, etc).

If a girl won't see, for example, black guys, that may very well be racist, but if the preference/prejudice is openly stated, I fail to see any hypocrisy there.

[king tarzan]

saw a nice english girl profile, no asians, contacted her told her i have good reviews, agreed to see me, but no owo or kissing, those services available if i became a regular with her, told her basically to get stuffed politely.. I am not going to pay a high end rate for average services..and like a deluded idiot hope after several visits that she will give me owo and kissing..

[CurvyKinkyVixen]

I beg to differ as you have conveniently (or naively) overlooked the primary reason that 'gentlemen of colour' are often 'banned'. Their 'colour' is the least concern to many ladies.

Pick up an A-Level anthropology text and do your own research into the cultural reasons why so many chaps from certain parts of the world often treat their dog better than they treat their wife / wives.

Yes, I'm well aware that the above is a gross generalisation, but why would a lady want to waste her precious time checking the nationality of a chap (Kuwaiti or Yemeni, Ghanaian or Kenyan, etc) when it's far simpler to impose a blanket ban.

I know I would.

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Love this comment ...

You Sir , have hit the nail on the head !!!

For me , and many prossies who have race restrictions , it is not about skin coulor , its about "the cultural reasons why so many chaps from certain parts of the world often treat their dog better than they treat their wife / wives.". These same men who treat their own women like shit , have an even lower view of "white slags ".


Im in this game for the sex , money and fun. When I first started out I had some extremely bad experiences with men from a certain culture/religion. I wont go into the gory details , but 9/10 of the meets with these men "from a certain culture" , turned out to be  horrible meets where you cant relax and try give the punter a great sesh as you are tense and on edge. These men seem to get a kick of out pushing your boundarys  by haranguing you for services you dont offer ( IE- Bareback) , they will kick up a fuss k get aggressive and argumentative and  never want to take "no " for an answer ...Bear in mind this is 5mins into a session  , not a good start and all it does it make the prossie on edge. If these guys showed a little respect and decency then there would not be a problem.

 They also have a habit of turning up in groups of 3/4 when you are expecting one man , ( which is pretty scary shit and downright unacceptable ) , and they always want to haggle and barter , and at least 5 of them managed to steal the fee back before leaving. I blanket banned asains for a long time after too many bad meets. Never had a bad meet with  black , indian or chinese/oriental men. One or 2 bad white men , which works out at such a small percentage its hardly a problem. In my experience 85% of these "culturally different" ,men  are problematic , and I simply do not want to deal with their BS .

Many do have  blanket ban as they simply do not want to deal with these bad clients  ...The problem is if you say " No Asians" on your ad , then you miss out on decent Asian men who have been raised to respect women . True it is impracticable to ask the cultural views of every guy who calls up. ...And that is why so many impose a blanket ban instead. People are quick to shout "racist" when the issue is much more complex.

Ive been called racist many times , and Im past caring to be honest.  Id rather be called a racist by the clueless who dont "get it" , than see all comers  under duress and make myself utterly miserable  and end up hating the job and giving a shite service ......Nope.....The decent clients who are of the same race/skin colour as the bad ones , understand my standpoint.

I notice  a lot of Indians send AW messages that say " im Asian , but I respect women , im not one of " those" idiots". These guys always get the booking and are always great clients.....Now if there was no problem with a certain group of Asians treatment of women , then these guys woudnt need to be stating "im not like that" in their messages would they.
 

[James999]

Im in this game for the sex , money and fun. When I first started out I had some extremely bad experiences with men from a certain culture/religion. I wont go into the gory details , but 9/10 of the meets with these men "from a certain culture" ,

Why not, if they are true, otherwise it's just like the disclaimer "due to past experiences"

[Ali Katt]

Why not, if they are true, otherwise it's just like the disclaimer "due to past experiences"

When it comes to race it's easier to generalise, which why some prossies do it.

IMHO it's a question of class (and I don't mean being classy and other hyperbolic terms), a well-educated black, Asian or mixed race man born in England who speaks good English and is well dressed would probably be an asset as a "client", but some working class man on benefits with 7 kids who speaks rough and they aren't interested. Yet, they're happy to see white cunts who have been on Jeremy Kyle.

[CurvyKinkyVixen]

OP you need to get chilled and take your cash where it is wanted. There are a few WGs who say "no Asians" just to filter out certain types. A politely worded email asking the question might work but maybe not. No big deal. In this game you just can't argue with personal preference, it's not racism but more like stereotyping. All you can do is try to educate a little by explaining that you are also an Oxford educated Pakistani or Bollywood sex symbol and not a local Pakistani teen in a blacked out BMW (or whatever type of disrespectful Asian types she's keen to avoid - you don't need to know anyway).

And you've got a better chance if you come across as a gent rather than someone with a gripe.

I've also seen; no virgins, no under-23s, no over-70s, and no blacks.

So don't take it personally.

This is good advice ....A polite email that shoes your  a gent can work wonders.

I dont blanket ban any more , I go on phone manner/gut instinct , but when i did blanket ban asains , an email like this always did the trick. If the escort of choice still doesn't want to see you then move on. Plenty more to choose from.

[Ali Katt]

I notice  a lot of Indians send AW messages that say " im Asian , but I respect women , im not one of " those" idiots". These guys always get the booking and are always great clients.....Now if there was no problem with a certain group of Asians treatment of women , then these guys woudnt need to be stating "im not like that" in their messages would they.

It's because of prossies more than Asian communities (why not mention blacks as well or is it too much of a hot potato for you) that generalise "Pak men". Every prossie who says they don't see Asians (or blacks) because of bad experiences is likely to give every "taliman" a complex. Silly prossies need to open their eyes, objectifying women has nothing to do with race, it's down to culture.

[CurvyKinkyVixen]

Why not, if they are true, otherwise it's just like the disclaimer "due to past experiences"

Because id be here all day !!

Well ,. out of a very small number of these type of clients ive had one pin me down by the throat and call me allsorts , another kept trying to force bareback and overpower me , another tried to fotce anal  ( which im v clear i dont offer in my ads ) , and then we have the ones who turn up with gang of mates ,m paying in fake money , hagglng and stealing money back..... And many point bank refuse to shower before , and they were v smelly.... But they have no qualms of showering after ( religious requirement im told) ... Expecting a woman , prossie or not , to lick and suck andf B.O reeking body and cheesy cock is a disrespectful pisstake IMO. I just found these guys to be arrogant , disrespectful , dishonest , always on the scam/fiddle , pushy , humourless ...Urgggh , just unpleasant to deal with all round.

[laidbackasiandude]

This is good advice ....A polite email that shoes your  a gent can work wonders.

I dont blanket ban any more , I go on phone manner/gut instinct , but when i did blanket ban asains , an email like this always did the trick. If the escort of choice still doesn't want to see you then move on. Plenty more to choose from.

I can only be judged based upon my thoughts, deeds, conduct and actions and not pre-judged by some of a similar
ethnicity whose conduct is appalling and disrespectful. I understand why you impose a blanket ban filtering out
certain ethnicities, and obviously respect your right to do so.

[CurvyKinkyVixen]

It's because of prossies more than Asian communities (why not mention blacks as well or is it too much of a hot potato for you) that generalise "Pak men". Every prossie who says they don't see Asians (or blacks) because of bad experiences is likely to give every "taliman" a complex. Silly prossies need to open their eyes, objectifying women has nothing to do with race, it's down to culture.

I dont know what you mean by "blacks been a hot potato for me" ..... And " Silly prossies need to open their eyes, objectifying women has nothing to do with race, it's down to culture.....Yes , im quite aware of that , which ive just spent the last hlf hr explaining !!!!

[Ali Katt]

I dont know what you mean by "blacks been a hot potato for me" ..... And " Silly prossies need to open their eyes, objectifying women has nothing to do with race, it's down to culture.....Yes , im quite aware of that , which ive just spent the last hlf hr explaining !!!!

Simply put, lots of prossies seem more critical of Asians than black people, yet if you look at black culture not just music, but also in third world places they don't exactly treat women with respect. As I said it's down to culture not ethnicity.

I've just read your post, I only skimmed it as it's so long. My apologies what you wrote makes sense.

[Sienna_Bronze]

If you're in the game for sex and fun as well as money then fair enough you can refuse to see clients that don't float your boat. I'm in it purely for the money and I don't care what colour cock I hve to suck, the colour of money is all the same! I think anyone who is doing this for the cash shouldn't be too bothered who they see.

[west8]

Simply put, lots of prossies seem more critical of Asians than black people, yet if you look at black culture not just music, but also in third world places they don't exactly treat women with respect. As I said it's down to culture not ethnicity.

With good reason. Every single WG I have ever discussed this issue with has told me same thing:

1. Asian men like to barter. They like to argue about the advertised rate and they like to feel they are 'getting a bargain'. It's understandable: it's an intrinsic part their culture.
2. Black guys are either i. Too aggressive or ii. too large.*

*Aggressive meaning sexually - not violently. Large meaning not just in the trouser department.


I have the utmost respect for Asian culture - in it's place. That place is not an incall or an outcall with a WG.

They don't haggle with their Solicitors, Doctors or Teachers, so why do they believe it's fine to haggle with a WG.

It's not. You pay, you play.

[NIK]

With good reason. Every single WG I have ever discussed this issue with has told me same thing:

1. Asian men like to barter. They like to argue about the advertised rate and they like to feel they are 'getting a bargain'. It's understandable: it's an intrinsic part their culture.
2. Black guys are either i. Too aggressive or ii. too large.*

*Aggressive meaning sexually - not violently. Large meaning not just in the trouser department.


I have the utmost respect for Asian culture - in it's place. That place is not an incall or an outcall with a WG.

They don't haggle with their Solicitors, Doctors or Teachers, so why do they believe it's fine to haggle with a WG.

It's not. You pay, you play.

It wouldn't surprise me if they did!

[king tarzan]

I pay high end stunners without any haggling, they know themselves naturally that at that price if they tried to apply poor attitude service then there will be trouble, there will be shouting and screaming, snatching the money back and telling the hotel there is a working girl operating on there premises..
At those prices they are extremely likely to be ultra professional anyway..

[laidbackasiandude]

With good reason. Every single WG I have ever discussed this issue with has told me same thing:

1. Asian men like to barter. They like to argue about the advertised rate and they like to feel they are 'getting a bargain'. It's understandable: it's an intrinsic part their culture.

I'm not so sure it's just specific to Asian men as you put it,

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=37244.0

[denneboom]

Simply put, lots of prossies seem more critical of Asians than black people, yet if you look at black culture not just music, but also in third world places they don't exactly treat women with respect. As I said it's down to culture not ethnicity.

I've just read your post, I only skimmed it as it's so long. My apologies what you wrote makes sense.

Not all Black people follow "so called" Black culture. There are misogynists & wife beaters in all races. Not all black people listen to hip hop music. Not all black music disrespects women.

If you look at a black person you don't know whether he is from Cuba, Coventry or Cameroon until you start speaking to him.

There are good and bad in European, Caribbean and African backgrounds.

I don't take rejection on racial grounds personally but I'm clean polite and respectful. I have had to build trust in the parlours I visit.

16 years ago one wouldn't ever let me in, now the boss personally makes sure I'm introduced to any new WG's and hands me a beer on entry. That respect had to be earned.


 

[king tarzan]

i have got a few texts out of the blue, i just ignore them...
sometimes first thing they might reduce by £10, thats fine by me or give the required rate and have an extra thrown in which has been doen with no problem at all..
also its a good ploy to ask for reduction to see the response of the lady, if she laughs it off and is still polite but no reduction, i go to them with full rate and service has still been excellent, it has happened a few times..

[James999]

Not all Black people follow "so called" Black culture.

And not all dogs will bite you, but if you stroke a Pit Bull and it bites you, and you stroke another pit bull and it bites you then you stop stroking pit bulls, it doesn't mean you stop stroking labradors, of course the labrador could bite you but people tend to react according to experiences.

If a black guy is refused on the colour of his skin then his problem should be with the other black guys that caused the problem, instead of blaming the victim / girl 

[James999]

I'm not so sure it's just specific to Asian men as you put it,

Asians always want a  "special price" yet if you are 2p short of change on a pack of Polo's in a corner shop the chance of being let off the 2p is minimal, it's a cultural thing, why pretend it's different in pro$$ie terms than inall other walks of life, why do you think so many builders won't work for asains, as it always ends up with them expecting a "special price" 

In the same way they use the tills as calculators in shops, rarely ringing things up properly 

[Marmalade]

Good point on dogs, James. Of course some pitbulls are very sweet. But telling your kids it's ok to play with a stray pitbull in the street is asking for trouble.

Similarly I avoid areas with drunken noisy Englishmen when travelling abroad. Some people just don't know how to present themselves acceptably.

[James999]

Similarly I avoid areas with drunken noisy Englishmen when travelling abroad. Some people just don't know how to present themselves acceptably.

You should come over and chat, not all of us are bad and you may just get a free beer 

[denneboom]

And not all dogs will bite you, but if you stroke a Pit Bull and it bites you, and you stroke another pit bull and it bites you then you stop stroking pit bulls, it doesn't mean you stop stroking labradors, of course the labrador could bite you but people tend to react according to experiences.

If a black guy is refused on the colour of his skin then his problem should be with the other black guys that caused the problem, instead of blaming the victim / girl 

If a black guy causes a problem, Its likely a caucasian has caused a similar problem too. We are all individuals.
I won't apologise for others and it's harsh to be punished for the crimes of others too.

The girl can choose, so can the punter.

[king tarzan]

No one is under any obligation to sleep together because of economic involvement.
I have gone to places and walked out due to the lady having bad attitude, not being as attractive and desirable as the pictures suggested.
If a white working girl does not want to sleep with a colored man, she has that choice..
If a colored working girl does not want to see white men then she has that choice.
Some ladies prefer to see there own racial backgrounds only, but I may add there are very few working girls that do that..
Its not a problem fer me and never has been or never will be...

[James999]

If a black guy causes a problem, Its likely a caucasian has caused a similar problem too.

From the amount of girls that won't see black guys and the amount of girls that exclude white guys it appears that is not the case 

[Sienna_Bronze]

From the amount of girls that won't see black guys and the amount of girls that exclude white guys it appears that is not the case 

No it's just pure racism.

[PumpAction]

From the amount of girls that won't see black guys and the amount of girls that exclude white guys it appears that is not the case 

I'm sure several girls have "bad experiences" with white customers but i'm yet to see one exclude white guys. They wouldn't last very long on the game if they did.

[hendrix]

Asians always want a  "special price" yet if you are 2p short of change on a pack of Polo's in a corner shop the chance of being let off the 2p is minimal, it's a cultural thing, why pretend it's different in pro$$ie terms than inall other walks of life, why do you think so many builders won't work for asains, as it always ends up with them expecting a "special price" 

In the same way they use the tills as calculators in shops, rarely ringing things up properly 

Agreed. This is also why I never employ English people. Lazy, uneducated fuckwits..it's a cultural thing, not a colour thing. They always expect "sickies" and "my dog died so I was late" type excuses to wash.  Whites from other cultures are great.

[James999]

No it's just pure racism.

You say that as if using the "R word" word solves the problem?

[Marmalade]

My Pakistani grocer is quite open to haggling. Often gives away free bread to regular customers at the end of the day too. And they are open 365 days a year. Nobody can accuse them of not being hard workers. Some of their family members might accuse them of not having any choice; but it is a well thought out business model. Do I trust them to use a till? Not really. But I can still add up in my head as well, and have caught Tesco tills out for overcharging more often than the local grocers'.

[denneboom]

From the amount of girls that won't see black guys and the amount of girls that exclude white guys it appears that is not the case 

I punt all races. Black. White or Asian.

Plenty of white girls will punt black guys so if a whore refuses me i'll simply move on to the next one and there's plenty of choice down here.

White punters can turn bad too. Many do. If one ginger haired punter turned violent would the girl ban all redheads ?

Or is it that one violent black guy means they are all bad, or one condom ripping Asian means they are all bad ?

Its an excuse and suggests a lack of intelligence. Many foreign white girls wont see black men because they are simply racist - as in they consider black people sub-human and wont touch them. Or think them as equals. Fuck all to do with safety. And its fine by me.

And yes the R word can be used here.

[James999]

If one ginger haired punter turned violent would the girl ban all redheads ?

As you don't see profiles excluding gingers perhaps they are not violent.

Having said that, Ginger pubes 

[west8]

I punt all races. Black. White or Asian.

A-fucking-men to that! 

[Sienna_Bronze]

You say that as if using the "R word" word solves the problem?

You can't cure ignorance! And yes that's all it is. Most of us aren't in the job to fuck guys we fancy so the colour of someone's cock really shouldn't matter.

[west8]

You can't cure ignorance! And yes that's all it is. Most of us aren't in the job to fuck guys we fancy so the colour of someone's cock really shouldn't matter.

Unless of course that colour happens to be gangrenous green .. 

[James999]

You can't cure ignorance! And yes that's all it is. Most of us aren't in the job to fuck guys we fancy so the colour of someone's cock really shouldn't matter.

It does matter if they beat the girl up and take their money 

[Tjkooker]

Unless of course that colour happens to be gangrenous green .. 

He must have just looked at his cock after his barebacking exploits.

[Sienna_Bronze]

It does matter if they beat the girl up and take their money 

That has NOTHING to do with colour at all!

[James999]

That has NOTHING to do with colour at all!

If it wasn't then they wouldn't make their decisions / rules based on colour 

[Sienna_Bronze]

If it wasn't then they wouldn't make their decisions / rules based on colour 

"They" make their decisions based on ignorance and racism. And don't give me the bullshit about sexual preferences. However it's the right to choice to decline anyone they want but they shouldn't try and dress it up as "a bad experience"!