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Author Topic: Voluntary sex "trafficking" case in Scotland  (Read 2321 times)

Offline Marmalade

Hi Guys

Not much time to post or check threads, so apologies if this has already been covered. It's a case that has flooded the papers in Scotland yesterday (Tue) but with very little indication of what the allegedly "despicable, horrible crimes" of "trafficking" and so on consisted of. There were clearly some things happening that most punters would find abhorrent, but in the main the story is far from that portrayed in the media, The Herald excepted. No force or coercion. All persons already working as prostitutes/WGs. No involvement in bringing people from abroad. Hefty cut by the organisers ("criminals") but not that much more than many agencies charge. If anyone wants to add more details, please do.

Am copying this excellent post from Irgendeiner on auto-censored as I don't have time to do it from scratch. (And, not surprisingly, he is more incisive than the women and that site generally is on the thread.)

http://www.auto-censored.com/forum/index.php/topic/19957-scotland-sex-traffickers-jailed/page__p__326818#entry326818

Quote from: Irgendeiner (auto-censored)

Beauregard, on 03 October 2011 - 17:49, said:
As so often, this story blurs the distinction between trafficking and coercion, and from the article itself, it's unclear whether any coercion did take place at all. However, there's a link at the bottom to a further article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-14857004
and that article certainly does suggest that some rather nasty coercion was involved. If so, then this couple deserve everything they get.



Here is the full text of the Herald's article (hides behind a wall, I think, so I don't post a link):

Scots legal first as couple jailed for human trafficking

kingpin: Stephen Craig was jailed for more than three years for running the trafficking network, while his girlfriend Sarah Beukan was jailed for a year and a half. Pictures: PA
Brian Donnelly and Vicky Allan


4 Oct 2011
A VICE gang boss and his girlfriend have been jailed for a total of four years and 10 months in Scotland’s first human trafficking conviction.

Stephen Craig, 34, was jailed for three years and four months for arranging travel, accommodation and advertising for 14 women and men.

His co-accused, Sarah Beukan, 22, was jailed for a year and a half for her part in the human trafficking network operated by Craig.

The “despicable” pair admitted at an earlier hearing to moving people to various addresses including those in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Belfast, Cardiff and Newcastle to work as prostitutes.

The victims, including at least two students, were moved around the UK to work at all of the premises.

Craig and Beukan would advertise the services in newspapers and online, and took a cut from their wages.

Craig, from Clydebank, West Dunbartonshire, and Beukan, from Leith in Edinburgh, pled guilty under Section 22 of the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2003 at Glasgow Sheriff Court on September 9.

Passing sentence at Glasgow Sheriff Court yesterday, Sheriff Cathcart told Craig and Beukan there was no alternative to custody.

He said they had “exerted control, direction or influence” over the movements of the women, but accepted “no pressure or force or threat” was directed at any of the victims.

He went on: “I also accept that none of those individuals were new to prostitution.

“But the gravity of this offence means the only appropriate way of dealing with you is a period in custody.”

The operation began to crumble when police searched a property in Clyde Street in Glasgow in June last year after a high number of men had been seen visiting it. A Bolivian woman was found to have been working at the brothel as well as a pre-operative transgender female from the UK. Craig and Beukan had been running four brothels in Glasgow, at Argyle Street, Wallace Street and Newton Terrace, as well as the one at Clyde Street.

They also ran a brothel in Aberdeen, at James Street, and one in Queens Square, Belfast.

In total, 23 witnesses were identified, including women working as prostitutes from Brazil, Bolivia, Nigeria, Fife, Glasgow, Inverness, Airdrie and elsewhere in the UK.

There was no evidence they had trafficked foreign nationals to the UK.

Two properties were used in Edinburgh for about a week at a time at the Cowgate and Grassmarket.

Two of the witnesses were found to be university students, working in the brothels to pay off debts.

In Craig’s defence, Murdo MacLeod, QC, said the victims “all were free to come and go as they wished, many did”.

Beukan’s defence advocate Paul Brown told the court she had done well at school and had no problems with drugs or alcohol. He said: “What she does have is a totally shared experience with the complainers in this case.”

He said she lived off only her own earnings as a prostitute and had not made money through the other women’s work.

Detective Inspector Stephen Grant, from Strathclyde Police, said: “These despicable individuals took advantage of desperate and vulnerable people and were willing to trade misery for profit.”

Lord Advocate Frank Mulholland, QC, said: “This is a landmark conviction for human trafficking in Scotland and represents the success of close working between police and prosecutors across the UK.”

John Lamont, Scottish Tory Justice spokesman, said: “These crimes are abhorrent. They are an affront to decency. I am sure most right minded people would consider that there is no excuse.”

A spokesman for Glasgow Community and Safety Services, which supported victims, said: “Trafficking is an issue of growing concern in Scotland and we welcome the sentences passed down.”

"Victims" ? This seems to have been entirely within the UK, so trafficking only in the legal sense, but not what Joe Public understands by the word. My gut heaves, but at the hypocricy of the Lord Advocate, his Tory "friend" and, worse yet, the feminazis of GCSS.

While I, personally, see nothing wrong with those who get a Uniiversity education which leads to improved earning prospects paying for it, I do also say that if "students" find that they need to go on the game to pay off their debts, then, perhaps, this suggests that the grant / student loan system needs to be looked at again!

Offline marney

Trafficking is a major problem in Scotland and is causing havoc with independent escorts like me as their cheap prices are taking all the business.

Offline James999

Trafficking is a major problem in Scotland

If someone comes from say Romania to work in the Uk it has nothing to do with trafficking, it's purely market forces, they can earn here more than they can earn at home.

If you feel it harms your income then you need to raise your game & offer a better service or offer a competitive rate, bear in mind you have not undergone any training, qualifications, paid for any courses or qualifications so it' not as if you've much to moan about  :hi:

Are you fit BTW ? PM me yoru link so I can have a look  :hi:

Oh and best take yoru phone number off your signature strip  :angelgirl:
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 07:06:06 PM by James999 »

Offline Silverado

Trafficking is a major problem in Scotland and is causing havoc with independent escorts like me as their cheap prices are taking all the business.

They sound a real nuisance. Cheap prices.....why aren't the police arresting them?

What would happen if the oil and energy companies did the same?  Cheaper prices would cause havoc.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Trafficking is a major problem in Scotland and is causing havoc with independent escorts like me as their cheap prices are taking all the business.

First of all, how do you know these girls are trafficked, how many have you actually spoken to.

My advice to you would be to start charging sensible prices and the business will come back.

Competition is great for punters, not so good for overpriced Indies.  :rolleyes:

Offline Dani

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Too many women moan about all the so called 'trafficked' girls for taking their business.  If you give a great service and good value for money then it would make no difference to your business at all

Most of these girls are not trafficked. They came here on their own to earn some decent cash for their futures.  Why the hell not.  If I could earn more somewhere else then I too would probably go there to work.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Too many women moan about all the so called 'trafficked' girls for taking their business.  If you give a great service and good value for money then it would make no difference to your business at all

Most of these girls are not trafficked. They came here on their own to earn some decent cash for their futures.  Why the hell not.  If I could earn more somewhere else then I too would probably go there to work.

As usual a very sensible post.  :thumbsup:

Trafficking is a major problem in Scotland and is causing havoc with independent escorts like me as their cheap prices are taking all the business.

what a load of crap  :wackogirl:

Offline Dani

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Why dont we all blame ou lack of business on the foreign girls.  It must be their fault as they undercut our prices.

Of course it could not be that not only do they offer reasonable rates they give a bloody good time too.  No of course that could not be the reason :dash: :dash:

I get sick of hearing this of my pro$$ie mates too.  They all say the same.  The only reason they are not busy is because of the EE girls.  Bollocks.  I am still busy on the days I work but then I charge a reasonable rate for my age, size and services and do my best at each booking. (not touting as not using my working name)

If girls stopped thinking this business was the same as it was 3 or more years go then things would be different.  yes then we could all charge £150 and more per hour but with the influx of new girls EE and UK, the prices had to drop but some still insist on charging stupid rates for their area or for the services offered.

There is self belief and an over inflated ego one is great the other is bloody stupid in this line of work.  I will leave it to you to work out which is which

Offline thebigrunt

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what a load of crap  :wackogirl:

I couldn't agree more RangersBurd.  Alot of WGs are actually at least BORN in Western Europe, and many from EE as we all know too well, I would really really doubt they are being used a sex slaves to any extent that would render them totally powerless. In fact, it was on the BBC last month (Oct 2012) that prostitution is "empowering" by Dr Brooke Magnanti, a PhD holder and who worked as a "call girl" while studying for her doctorate in London. - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/9756960.stm - she has even written a diary of her "exotic" experiences as a call girl - real exploitation isn't it?  :thumbsdown: I don't think so, that day and age is long gone unless you are talking about the third world and even that is not as bad as the media tries to depict.

My point being that WGs as they should be called not "call girls", are CHOOSING this occupation to make much much more money than they would otherwise which is in more cases than not, absolutely TAX EXEMPT! How can WGs who live in relative LUXURY from blowjob transactions or anyone else even begin to try to claim that WGs are being exploited as sex slaves in 2012 in Britain? Foolish joke.   :dash: :dash:

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Offline SteveNova

If the couple were convicted as a result of the 'trafficking' laws, what is the implication for the punters who were there.  Will they now be chased.?  Is this a specifically Scottish situation - given the attempts to criminalise the purchase of sexual services there?

Offline SteveNova

Thinking further, and looking this up, I doubt punters would be liable unless force, threats  or any other form of coercion or deception had been used on the girls.  I don't understand why they were convicted of trafficking if there was none of the above.  Girls aren't trafficked if they are free to come and go, and know what they are doing and doing it willingly, even if they are offered work in various premises.

Offline iName

Are we sure Cassie is a prossie? She seems awfully sensible, or just brown nosing. I'd like to think it's the first one.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2012, 11:08:04 PM by iName »

Offline Jimmyredcab

  Girls aren't trafficked if they are free to come and go, and know what they are doing and doing it willingly, even if they are offered work in various premises.

That depends on your definition of "trafficked"

A girl who is brought into this country from somewhere like Thailand to work as a prostitute would still be regarded as trafficked even if she came here willingly.

The same applies if she is brought here to work in a factory or restaurant without a valid visa.

Offline Dani

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Are we sure Cassie is a prossie? She seems awfully sensible, or just brown nosing. I'd like to think it's the first one.

Yes I am a pro$$ie as NIK and the other mods can verify.  I just have a bit of common sense and am not so far up my own arse that I am blind to facts.  This is a business and should be treated just like any other business.
If work is slow then you have to look at why.  Is it the service? the rates? is there a problem that can be rectified.  If there is then we should all do something about it.  Set times of the year most businesses have a sale as sales are slow so perhaps if we have quiet periods then we should do the same (I do from November to February).
I want to earn money not sit twiddling my thumbs waiting for the phone to ring whilst  thinking I am better than everyone else and deserve a much higher pay rate.  UKP has taught me a lot of what the punter actually wants and it really works as well. Since coming on here and listening to advice I have seen roughly a 20 - 25% rise in repeat clients

what the scottish government should do is take an in depth look at dungavel immigration removal centre put someone undercover, using "trafficked" is a great excuse not to get sent back

Offline SteveNova

That depends on your definition of "trafficked"

A girl who is brought into this country from somewhere like Thailand to work as a prostitute would still be regarded as trafficked even if she came here willingly.

The same applies if she is brought here to work in a factory or restaurant without a valid visa.
Agreed. I was thinking of the article in the original post which said the accused couple hadn't brought the girls into the UK.

Offline iName

Yes I am a pro$$ie as NIK and the other mods can verify.  I just have a bit of common sense and am not so far up my own arse that I am blind to facts.  This is a business and should be treated just like any other business.
If work is slow then you have to look at why.  Is it the service? the rates? is there a problem that can be rectified.  If there is then we should all do something about it.  Set times of the year most businesses have a sale as sales are slow so perhaps if we have quiet periods then we should do the same (I do from November to February).
I want to earn money not sit twiddling my thumbs waiting for the phone to ring whilst  thinking I am better than everyone else and deserve a much higher pay rate.  UKP has taught me a lot of what the punter actually wants and it really works as well. Since coming on here and listening to advice I have seen roughly a 20 - 25% rise in repeat clients


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