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Offline Melb

Are there too many of us chasing a small number of girls?
You'd think so from the response that I get from trying to book a girl.

Quite recently, I emailed 4 girls to make a booking - carefully following their rules.
No response from any of them. Checked later and found my mails were unread or deleted.
This has happened to me several times. AW Bookings has had the same result. Ditto with Texting / leaving messages (again according to their instructions).

Don't think I will bother emailing / booking any more and just stick to the telephone.
Maybe they get loads of emails from timewasters? If so, these guys annoy the girls who take it out on us.


Offline Strawberry

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A few guys have mentioned to me that they aren't getting replies to emails from girls on AW, or if they are they aren't following up when they want to make a booking.

Offline Marmalade

Commiserations on your lack of success. AW is not the most straightforward of options, but my feeling (and personal experience) is that it gets better as you get better at working the system. I use email alerts for anyone within my 'spec' starting up in my area and delete eighty per cent of those on sight as a likely waste of time.

I don't know your geographical area - someone else maybe able to offer more useful suggestions - but I'd say complete and dummy-proof reliability in the industry tends (though not always) to come at a price. Top flight agencies are not likely to let you down but they know they can charge more as well and usually do so. There's always exceptions - HOD for example (I wouldn't call them top flight by any means but they are reliable.) And here in Scotland I had a much sought-after girl the other night for a mere £60 outcall fee.

If you are going to use AW without making dents in the wall from banging your head, you need to streamline the hard work until it's not hard work any more. (There's an AW faq & tips thread on this board somewhere in case it helps). And also be prepared to trade off effort for result. A few of my favourite WGs are either 'part-time' or 'work-when-they-feel-like-it.' That suits me fine sometimes and not others. The ones that provide the 9-5 on-demand service are there too, but sometimes I'm after the girl first rather than the service. Some of the well-established indies will even get choosy about which calls to accept. With AW, and some shoddier agencies too, the first priority is to be after reality.

Hope you have more success next time. :)
« Last Edit: September 28, 2011, 09:57:44 AM by Marmalade »

Offline Strawberry

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Commiserations on your lack of success. AW is not the most straightforward of options, but my feeling (and personal experience) is that it gets better as you get better at working the system. I use email alerts for anyone within my 'spec' starting up in my area and delete eighty per cent of those on sight as a likely waste of time.

I don't know your geographical area - someone else maybe able to offer more useful suggestions - but I'd say complete and dummy-proof reliability in the industry tends (though not always) to come at a price. Top flight agencies are not likely to let you down but they know they can charge more as well and usually do so. There's always exceptions - HOD for example (I wouldn't call them top flight by any means but they are reliable.) And here in Scotland I had a much sought-after girl the other night for a mere £60 outcall fee.

If you are going to use AW without making dents in the wall from banging your head, you need to streamline the hard work until it's not hard work any more. (There's an AW faq & tips thread on this board somewhere in case it helps). And also be prepared to trade off effort for result. A few of my favourite WGs are either 'part-time' or 'work-when-they-feel-like-it.' That suits me fine sometimes and not others. The ones that provide the 9-5 on-demand service are there too, but sometimes I'm after the girl first rather than the service. Some of the well-established indies will even get choosy about which calls to accept. With AW, and some shoddier agencies too, the first priority is to be after reality.

Hope you have more success next time. :)

Yep a lot of girls are part-time, have day jobs which is why they aren't quick to respond and/or don't supply a phone number. Does get frustrating for the guys. Sometimes if I can't see someone I'll point them at AW, only to hear they've tried but there aren't any phone numbers available and they don't want to use email.

Offline smiths

Are there too many of us chasing a small number of girls?
You'd think so from the response that I get from trying to book a girl.

Quite recently, I emailed 4 girls to make a booking - carefully following their rules.
No response from any of them. Checked later and found my mails were unread or deleted.
This has happened to me several times. AW Bookings has had the same result. Ditto with Texting / leaving messages (again according to their instructions).

Don't think I will bother emailing / booking any more and just stick to the telephone.
Maybe they get loads of emails from timewasters? If so, these guys annoy the girls who take it out on us.

No problem in my area of London, plenty of choice. I dont waste my time emailing only interested in those with displayed phone numbers. I usually punt same day and want simplicity, enquire, book, confirm, punt and fuck off. Its rare but on occassion i have a problem getting hold of WGs but mostly after 11am they answer their phones.

Personally i see no point in emailing, it might not even be a woman who emails you back and i want to speak to her as its THE very most important thing before i decide whether to punt with a WG or not. My puntdar has ensured no bad punts for a long time now although i wont get complacent. ;)

Online Jimmyredcab

Are there too many of us chasing a small number of girls?

Maybe if you live in a remote Welsh valley, not if you are within the M25.
Sadly you will always get timewasters on Adultwork which is why I prefer girls who display a phone number. ;)

Offline ollie1960

phone call I find the best option , if it does'nt go to voice mail which I do find happens frequently, but generally  very good way of contact, also a lot of girls on aw dont want the booking system used and there not interested in feedback after they have a certain no , maybe so the TAX  man cant spy

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phone call I find the best option , if it does'nt go to voice mail which I do find happens frequently, but generally  very good way of contact, also a lot of girls on aw dont want the booking system used and there not interested in feedback after they have a certain no , maybe so the TAX  man cant spy

Very hard for the tax man to catch up with someone who uses a false name and an unregistered mobile phone.   ;)

Offline impossible_princess

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H Guys

This is my first post, I had been shown the forum by a wonderful man I see and as I love to talk about the "industry" so here I am.

I, myself as a working girl don't always display my phone number due to more timewasters calling me rather than emailing. I do if I go away touring have my number on as I can't always get acess to the internet. I do work full time but ALWAYS try to respond the same day to a email, there aren't many days when I can't get online.

I can understand its frustrating when you don't get a responce but don't write us all off please!

Offline smiths

H Guys

This is my first post, I had been shown the forum by a wonderful man I see and as I love to talk about the "industry" so here I am.

I, myself as a working girl don't always display my phone number due to more timewasters calling me rather than emailing. I do if I go away touring have my number on as I can't always get acess to the internet. I do work full time but ALWAYS try to respond the same day to a email, there aren't many days when I can't get online.

I can understand its frustrating when you don't get a responce but don't write us all off please!

Welcome to the forum. ;) No phone number no business from me is my modus. I require simplicity and usually punt same day, so ringing suits me plus with Indies i want to speak to them on the phone, i wouldnt book just by emailing or texting, thats not sufficient to me. ;)

Offline impossible_princess

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Welcome to the forum. ;) No phone number no business from me is my modus. I require simplicity and usually punt same day, so ringing suits me plus with Indies i want to speak to them on the phone, i wouldnt book just by emailing or texting, thats not sufficient to me. ;)

Totally understand that, when I know what my work pattern is more like I have my number on there. Think I shall put it on there anyways after hearing what your saying. Makes sence  ;) I can just let guys know if I am available or not over the phone... Thanks

Offline jacksparrow11

You can't beat speaking too the Lady concerned direct. You also get an idea of their personality. By Emailing you have no way of varifying who you are talking too! or who is going too turn up when you do? :cry:

I must speak to the lady before making a booking.
No contact by phone no booking, I just move on.

Offline Wayang


I, myself as a working girl don't always display my phone number due to more timewasters calling me rather than emailing.


Lady - you are in the business of selling sex - if you don't display a phone number your business is/will be minimal.

Do I call my plumber on an e-mail?  Think, think.

Offline yumyum3

I would have to have a phone number and someone to speak to or no way. I punt at my convenience and anything too difficult I just wouldn't bother. :)

Tony Montana

I usually start with an email, or private message if the girl is on a forum.  Then text or call depending on whichever the girl prefers.  I think at least 50% of the incalls/outcalls I've had have been arranged without a phone call.


Offline Marmalade

I'm just going to try to balance this phone number thing a bit as not displaying one might be a disadvantage but hardly a heinous sin in my area at least.

I run four hotlists to quickly assign prospects, two age-ranges with and without phone numbers. If I'm adding a lady with no phone number I'll also email her a short message, "May I have a phone number for future bookings please." One of three things happens. She ignores the email and gets deleted, she replies with a phone number and gets transferred to the 'with phone' hotlist, or she replies politely but with no phone number. There's also ladies I've punted and obtained their number or that only display it sometimes, and so go in the 'with phone number' hotlist (and the number copied to their profile notes tab.)

Does it sound complicated? Yes, but it's about maximising chances. Maximising my chances - hers are her concern. It takes me seconds and is almost automatic now.

Categories of WGs that don't include their number may be:

1. She just works occasionally to top up her other income and doesn't want the hassle. Genuine uni students often fall into this category for some reason or other as well. Maybe she doesn't want the hassle of paying for it and answering calls on days she's not working or updating the profile each time to include / not include it.

2. She's foreign and can write English (or get someone to write it) better than she can talk it.

3. She gets most of her non-timewaster bookings via her own website and can't be bothered with the higher proportion of timewaster calls she gets via AW.

4. The profile's a fake.


In London or a highly populated area with very large numbers of young attractive women to choose from, of course it makes sense to narrow it down in the way Smiths & JRC suggest. But in Edinburgh you'd seriously miss a lot of brilliant punts if you applied the same rule. One of the current young stars works for a parlour that couldn't organise a piss-up at a prossie party (they've tried) much less their AW profile (done by a lass who only looks at it once in a blue moon. It doesn't make her service less than stellar.)

Not having a phone number displayed doesn't mean a WG will not give brilliant service. There's good reasons for a range of regional variations on phone number tactics  between 'inside the M2'5 and the 'lost sheep valley in the Welsh mountains.'

Remember it's about maximising your results as a punter rather than telling/deciding how efficiently she runs her business.

Offline Marmalade

I usually start with an email, or private message if the girl is on a forum.  Then text or call depending on whichever the girl prefers.  I think at least 50% of the incalls/outcalls I've had have been arranged without a phone call.

I'd put it at two-thirds for myself. Often I get given the phone number after I've made the booking.

My word your organised Marm' I cant be arsed with all that, I just jump on AW stick the distance and postcode in and go from there lol.
Fair play to you.


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I'm just going to try to balance this phone number thing a bit as not displaying one might be a disadvantage but hardly a heinous sin in my area at least.

I run four hotlists to quickly assign prospects, two age-ranges with and without phone numbers. If I'm adding a lady with no phone number I'll also email her a short message, "May I have a phone number for future bookings please." One of three things happens. She ignores the email and gets deleted, she replies with a phone number and gets transferred to the 'with phone' hotlist, or she replies politely but with no phone number. There's also ladies I've punted and obtained their number or that only display it sometimes, and so go in the 'with phone number' hotlist (and the number copied to their profile notes tab.)

Does it sound complicated? Yes, but it's about maximising chances. Maximising my chances - hers are her concern. It takes me seconds and is almost automatic now.

Categories of WGs that don't include their number may be:

1. She just works occasionally to top up her other income and doesn't want the hassle. Genuine uni students often fall into this category for some reason or other as well. Maybe she doesn't want the hassle of paying for it and answering calls on days she's not working or updating the profile each time to include / not include it.

2. She's foreign and can write English (or get someone to write it) better than she can talk it.

3. She gets most of her non-timewaster bookings via her own website and can't be bothered with the higher proportion of timewaster calls she gets via AW.

4. The profile's a fake.


In London or a highly populated area with very large numbers of young attractive women to choose from, of course it makes sense to narrow it down in the way Smiths & JRC suggest. But in Edinburgh you'd seriously miss a lot of brilliant punts if you applied the same rule. One of the current young stars works for a parlour that couldn't organise a piss-up at a prossie party (they've tried) much less their AW profile (done by a lass who only looks at it once in a blue moon. It doesn't make her service less than stellar.)

Not having a phone number displayed doesn't mean a WG will not give brilliant service. There's good reasons for a range of regional variations on phone number tactics  between 'inside the M2'5 and the 'lost sheep valley in the Welsh mountains.'

Remember it's about maximising your results as a punter rather than telling/deciding how efficiently she runs her business.

Brilliant post!

Offline impossible_princess

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Its interesting hearing this from the mans side and can see exactly what you are all saying so thanks guys!

I do have a full time job which is prob why I don't like to keep my phone number on there. I always speak to a person by phone before going to a booking, If I am speaking through email I forward a number as I want people to know my personalitie too just as you say jacksparrow. I am rather bubbly and like to have fun too and I feel its important to answer any questions from potential clients over the phone so the can hear how I feel about certain things, not sure if that makes sence or not... :blush:

Offline Matium

Hearing a woman's voice is indispensable.

I remember seeing one wannabe "courtesan", in looks and attributes, she seemed like a courtesan.

And then she spoke - it was pure Southend.

I fled.

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« Last Edit: September 28, 2011, 10:20:25 PM by Matium »

Offline Strawberry

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Quite a few clients have said I'm completely different in person, to how I sound on the phone. I find setting up an appointment and speaking on the phone quite stressful - if using SMS text or email even worse.
« Last Edit: September 28, 2011, 10:35:07 PM by Strawberry »

Offline Marmalade

Quite a few clients have said I'm completely different in person, to how I sound on the phone. I find setting up an appointment and speaking on the phone quite stressful - if using SMS text or email even worse.

A good point, and one I've come to bear in mind. I find speaking on the phone quite natural and easy, but not everyone does. And one is booking the lady for her skills in face-to-face communication, not phone chat. Additionally, she is under some pressure as it is more akin to an 'interview' for her where she is not sure if she will get the sale, whereas the punter is in leisure mode.

My telephone pre-punt manner has evolved over the years. I want the maximum information to confirm a buying decision but think the most most efficient way is to put her at ease and minimise (or answer) any concerns she has.

Basically:
#Smile while you talk. Use a real smile by thinking of something brilliant.
#Stand up while you talk - better posture brings better vocal
#Keep it friendly but concise (reassure but don't get labelled a timewaster).
#Have a pen to hand and note key points first

Eg

Hi how you doing, really lovely to speak to you! Is 7.30 for a half hour outcall good with you? (let her speak). Am I right in thinking that's £70 in total - that includes oral both ways and a few positions? (her: yeah, that's fine). Hey that's great. I'm really looking forward to seeing you. Do you want to text me the exact address when I get to the area? (at this point she realises you know the score and may offer the full address there and then anyway.) Fab, see you soon, Deirdre!

If it's an out all, I'll maybe also add:

I'll have the kettle on or some wine chilled ready for when you get here. If you have any finding the place, just give me a buzz!

feel free to use my script - no royalty payments required haha)

Offline Daffodil

Maybe if you live in a remote Welsh valley, not if you are within the M25.
Sadly you will always get timewasters on Adultwork which is why I prefer girls who display a phone number. ;)

I'll have you know we don't do too bad in the Welsh Valleys. Boyo.  ;)


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