Chivalry?

[Thephoenix]

Is chivalry dead?
If so, who killed it?
Were you an accessory?
Are you mourning the loss, or glad to see it's demise?

Maybe it's just about still alive, despite being severely wounded by the Feminista who claim it's condescending towards women.
Does it promotes patriarchy and the oppression of women?

Despite the bad press in some quarters, I'm proud to claim that my chivalrous endeavours are still alive and kicking albeit under threat.

Am I the only gentleman on here who would still regularly follow these traditional chivalrous practices when in the company of a lady?
Walk on the outside of the pavement
Offer my coat or umbrella
Open doors
Insist ladies first
Escort home safely
Offer my seat
Pull out chair
Carry bags
Not use foul language
Pay for the meal etc

They were all the norms in my early days when 'courting' and 'romance' were words in common usage.
I still follow the same ideals of chivalry as I did then, and I think my actions are usually appreciated at least by the older generation.

Am I an out of date old fogey?




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[lillythesavage]

No you are not outdated, and that is a refreshing read on this forum.

I will add another to your list, I always open the car door for my partner, to the point she does not even open it from the inside, even when just dropping her somewhere, and along with the other things on your list, pays dividends big time.

It is not dead , yet, but reading some posts you are not out of place assuming it is. 

[Adoniron]

I'm not sure how paying other women for sex if you're in a relationship fits in with a claim to be chivalrous.

[RogerHealey]

There is a saying that you should always be careful what you wish for as you may get it. And what a cold, souless world it may be. Chivalry is a branch of politeness and respect. I can't pretend to tick all the ones on your list, phoenix but certainly several. Interestingly there are many young women in their early 20s I encounter at work and I have yet to get a 'funny look' when I give way to them on the stairs etc, instead just a smile and a "thank you".

[lillythesavage]

I'm not sure how paying other women for sex if you're in a relationship fits in with a claim to be chivalrous.

On a punting forum  .

That says more about your mysoginistic views than anything else  .

You have no idea if I have punted during my relationship, I am also still married, so how does that fit with your views ?
My relationship is based on honesty of who I am, an open relationship if you like, communicating with the woman involved about everything including sexual desire, obviously alien to you 
Belive it or not, there are women who enjoy sexual experiences outside of monogamy  , also alien to you.

WTF is who I have sex with got to do with being polite to the woman I am with, FYI I do the same for my wife if we do happen to go somewhere together.

It must be so exciting living in your black and white world 

[Thephoenix]

I'm not sure how paying other women for sex if you're in a relationship fits in with a claim to be chivalrous.

Doesn't being chivalrous include allowing your SP to orgasm first? 

[Adoniron]

On a punting forum  .

That says more about your mysoginistic views than anything else  .

You have no idea if I have punted during my relationship, I am also still married, so how does that fit with your views ?
My relationship is based on honesty of who I am, an open relationship if you like, communicating with the woman involved about everything including sexual desire, obviously alien to you 
Belive it or not, there are women who enjoy sexual experiences outside of monogamy  , also alien to you.

WTF is who I have sex with got to do with being polite to the woman I am with, FYI I do the same for my wife if we do happen to go somewhere together.

It must be so exciting living in your black and white world 

I wasn't referring to you specifically. It was a general comment, hence why my post said IF you are in a relationship. I knew nothing about your relationship status at the time.

However I do maintain that infidelity of any sort is inconsistent with chivalrous behaviour. IMO anyone who claims to be chivalrous because they open the car door but shags other women is a hypocrite. If your partner knows about and is happy with the infidelity that's different but if not such behaviour clearly lacks the respect that chivalry requires.

[RandomGuy99]

I was once escorting an escort back to her venue and it was raining, so I put my umbrella up to shield her from the rain and putting me in the rain and I got told off. I still continued doing it and would do it again. Why? Because it felt like the right thing to do as my barnet will dry in a few minutes. Her barnet and make up required a bit more maintenance. I walked her back because I wanted to make sure she got there safely. Once she was back at her venue I let her continue on her way without stopping to say goodbye as I didn't want to draw attention from anyone.

[MissWolf]

I'm not sure how paying other women for sex if you're in a relationship fits in with a claim to be chivalrous.

What on earth has that got to do with it...

Chivalry is for me about how you treat the lady you are with or others around you while you are in their company

Just because someone is paying for sex outside of a relationship does not mean they don't love their partner or that they need to stop being a kind and courteous human being in their everyday life.

I for one very much appreciate the little things in life like a door held open, a chair pulled out in a restaurant,  a hand on the small of my back to guide me or a you first gesture,  there is so much beauty in those small things.

I love being an independent woman, I am fiercely defensive of my ability to do things for myself and I'm very capable,  however it doesn't mean I cannot appreciate those small gestures or that I need to feel threatened by them.

Imo feminism has in some ways  gone too far, women are almost afraid to accept a small act of chivalry with grace, because they feel its a sign of weakness and in some way challenges their independence or makes them less woman.

Feminism for me is not just about our strength and independence it is about grace in many forms.

Immasculation of men is not what feminism is about imo and the rejection of chivalry is one symptom of that.

[Thephoenix]

What on earth has that got to do with it...

Chivalry is for me about how you treat the lady you are with or others around you while you are in their company

Just because someone is paying for sex outside of a relationship does not mean they don't love their partner or that they need to stop being a kind and courteous human being in their everyday life.

I for one very much appreciate the little things in life like a door held open, a chair pulled out in a restaurant,  a hand on the small of my back to guide me or a you first gesture,  there is so much beauty in those small things.

I love being an independent woman, I am fiercely defensive of my ability to do things for myself and I'm very capable,  however it doesn't mean I cannot appreciate those small gestures or that I need to feel threatened by them.

Imo feminism has in some ways  gone too far, women are almost afraid to accept a small act of chivalry with grace, because they feel its a sign of weakness and in some way challenges their independence or makes them less woman.

Feminism for me is not just about our strength and independence it is about grace in many forms.

Immasculation of men is not what feminism is about imo and the rejection of chivalry is one symptom of that.

I was hoping I'd get some response from the ladies, and I'm pleased that you appreciate my OP. 

[Thephoenix]

I wasn't referring to you specifically. It was a general comment, hence why my post said IF you are in a relationship. I knew nothing about your relationship status at the time.

However I do maintain that infidelity of any sort is inconsistent with chivalrous behaviour. IMO anyone who claims to be chivalrous because they open the car door but shags other women is a hypocrite. If your partner knows about and is happy with the infidelity that's different but if not such behaviour clearly lacks the respect that chivalry requires.

Maybe you can be a chivalrous hypocrite?

[Ali Katt]

A man should always hold a door open for a woman so he can have a good look at her arse.

[Thephoenix]

I should have mentioned in my OP  that occasionally I meet with some confusion on the rare occasions I use buses.
I'm of an age where the 'ladies first' occasionally clashes with the 'age before beauty'.
I may decide to offer my seat to a lady, only for another passenger to offer her seat to me. (I must admit I'd offer my seat to me if I saw me standing).
It's like blinkin musical chairs.

[Stevelondon]

I'm not sure how paying other women for sex if you're in a relationship fits in with a claim to be chivalrous.

What a load of bollocks.
I equate chivalry with me charging across a field on my trustee steed. Sword in hand to cut off the head of the tyrant keeping the princess a captive.
(Yes I dream these things rather than me shagging three hotties in a hot tub) 

Everything else thephoenix mentioned being common courtesy and being polite. Nowt wrong with that.

[DastardlyDick]

I do all those things too, so if you're an old fogey, then I am too!
I once got told off by some feminazi for opening a door and letting her through first - she claimed it dated back to mediaeval times when there could be someone on the other side looking to do me some harm, so I let the woman go first so she cops it as women were expendable. I just laughed, told her it was rubbish and went on with my day!

[FLYING BLUE]

Is chivalry dead?
If so, who killed it?
Were you an accessory?
Are you mourning the loss, or glad to see it's demise?

Maybe it's just about still alive, despite being severely wounded by the Feminista who claim it's condescending towards women.
Does it promotes patriarchy and the oppression of women?

Despite the bad press in some quarters, I'm proud to claim that my chivalrous endeavours are still alive and kicking albeit under threat.

Am I the only gentleman on here who would still regularly follow these traditional chivalrous practices when in the company of a lady?
Walk on the outside of the pavement
Offer my coat or umbrella
Open doors
Insist ladies first
Escort home safely
Offer my seat
Pull out chair
Carry bags
Not use foul language
Pay for the meal etc

They were all the norms in my early days when 'courting' and 'romance' were words in common usage.
I still follow the same ideals of chivalry as I did then, and I think my actions are usually appreciated at least by the older generation.

Am I an out of date old fogey?




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I was brought up to "always behave like a gentleman" & also to "always do the right thing"- they are principles I stick to all these years later.

Times have changed (not all of it for the better IMHO) and I may be considered a dinosaur in these 'Woke' times but I care little.
I will continue to "be me" - for as long as I'm able & if someone takes offence at the way in which I was raised, I'm not sorry at all.

[FLYING BLUE]

I'm not sure how paying other women for sex if you're in a relationship fits in with a claim to be chivalrous.

I beg to differ 

[sir wanksalot]

What on earth has that got to do with it...

Chivalry is for me about how you treat the lady you are with or others around you while you are in their company

Just because someone is paying for sex outside of a relationship does not mean they don't love their partner or that they need to stop being a kind and courteous human being in their everyday life.

I for one very much appreciate the little things in life like a door held open, a chair pulled out in a restaurant,  a hand on the small of my back to guide me or a you first gesture,  there is so much beauty in those small things.

I love being an independent woman, I am fiercely defensive of my ability to do things for myself and I'm very capable,  however it doesn't mean I cannot appreciate those small gestures or that I need to feel threatened by them.

Imo feminism has in some ways  gone too far, women are almost afraid to accept a small act of chivalry with grace, because they feel its a sign of weakness and in some way challenges their independence or makes them less woman.

Feminism for me is not just about our strength and independence it is about grace in many forms.

Immasculation of men is not what feminism is about imo and the rejection of chivalry is one symptom of that.

Some good points. I hope that didn't sound patronising ("patronising" means "when you put somebody down")......................that was a joke Miss Wolf 

But seriously, I think some men have moved away from being gentlemanly as many women equate being nice/polite with weakness. I am tired of how many women I have met at work etc who say they prefer a "bit of rough" or someone with rough edges

[scutty brown]

If I tried that kind of "chivalry" with the women I know, I'd either get poked in the eye for being creepy, or else a demand to be told what I'd fucked up / broken / lost / done wrong / crashed

[Bonker]

Chivalry, it would appear, has different meanings or interpretations.

For me, it's courtesy; honour; justice and helping the weak. This applies quite well punting-wise in my case.

I'm polite to a WG, I get on 'er and off 'er, I make no apology for my huge cock - it just is and I help the financially weak become rich.

Comes from being a knight errant.

[Private Parts]

Chivalry is doing the right thing........

In the circumstances