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Offline MrSmiley

I felt like such a cunt.

Went to see OLAHOT yesterday. Thought I’d release myself from the protective wings of UKpunting and go it alone. Hidden feedback did ring a few bells on my way there. I found her by looking for DT, CIM and facials, available now and £60 or less for half an hour, also needed to be on the way home. Ola ticked those boxes.

Got there and it definitely was not the girl in the pictures even without a face pic. This girl was 5”4. Under 25 and slightly chubby, but looked fairly decent in her blue nurses uniform. Very homely sweet face. She was very friendly, but more girl next door friendly, definitely not professional prossie friendly, if that makes any sense.

Told her you are not the girl in the pictures, she asked if I found her on gumtree. No AW. She was as confused as I was. Her English was limited. She was very clean and her cleavage looked great so said I’d stay seeing as I’d made the journey. I know I shouldn’t have out of principle.

I had already subconsciously prepared myself for some good deep throat and a good banging following by coming all over her face. In reality this is what happened:
Started off kissing standing then lay down for bj. It wasn’t bad but only 75% down. I was getting a little frustrated and asked to go deeper which she did. I even very gently push on the back of her neck. She got it down to about 85%. She then the condom out, but I said I wanted more sucking. My the end of it she looked a bit breathless and tired. The way she smiled at me made me feel like a dirty old man. Then on with the condom and we did a bit of doggy. Her pussy was so tight I had to go slow, which was not what I wanted. Then missionary and at one point I thrusted too hard and it hurt her. I felt terrible. Said sorry, stopped and then carried on when she said it was ok. Back to doggy and I said I’m going to cum on your face ok? She said the smallest ‘uhhuh’ in hindsight meant ‘ok if you have to’. Was about to cum so flipped her on her back, whipped off the condom and fired my cum on her chest and her face. Some of it went in her eye I think, all over her mouth and up her nose. I did not enjoy one second of it.

She looked a bit deflated after this I was just looking at her feeling like a complete cunt. She smiled and wiped the cum off and was blowing her nose. I felt fucking sorry for her. Got chatting more than anything to make myself feel better. Turns out she’s been here only four months. Has only one friend (a polish cleaner) and has some shit client’s, like me. She got quieter and quieter and then I left. She gave me a nice smile as I walked out the door. I have never felt like I had taken advantage of a woman but this is what it felt like. I felt like such a cunt.

Has anybody else felt like this before?

Sorry just wanted to get this off my chest. Going for anther punt tonight with a girl with a positive review.

Offline sublimetoridiculous

Did you agree services when booking the punt?


Offline sublimetoridiculous

yes absolutley
Then there is nothing to feel bad about.

That said, I have come across (!) WGs that have a kind of innocence about them that makes you wonder if they should be allowed out on their own. It feels like you are taking advantage, even when you are not. I don't think it's an act, I think they just are that way.

Offline MrSmiley

thanks STR. I know you're right, but this got me by surprise.

Thought the worse that could happen in this game is that I'd get stood up, have a shit punt etc but it never occurred to me you could go through with a punt and feel ten times worse than before the meet. I agree I didn't think it was an act. She came across as very lonely at the end. She shouldn't agree and advertise services which she's not really up for - it's unfair on herself and the punter.

 :hi:

Offline Matium

She shouldn't agree and advertise services which she's not really up for - it's unfair on herself and the punter.

I doubt she knows what services are being advertised, the fact that she didn't have a clue when you mentioned Adultwork suggests that she's one of Sergei's girls and has been told to agree to whatever the client asks for.

StPunt

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i laughed when i first read this i wont lie but at second glance i can see it got to you. This hasnt happened to me but i concede it may not be the best feeling post punt if you felt like the wg was a little on the innocent side and not really up to what went on in the punt.

...you did nothing wrong.

Offline MrSmiley

@matium - that would make sense. feel worse now!!  ;)

@StPunt - thank you.  :hi:

Offline roo222

Messy situation all round. Mixed feelings tbh.

She agreed to something she wasn't comfortable with - wittingly or unwittingly, that's clearly silly and wrong. However, you then pressed her to go through with these things seeing that she wasn't comfortable - shady moral area. Two wrongs not making a right etc. Still, I wouldn't beat yourself up about it - there was no perfect resolution here, and it's not like you were cruel or forced her.

Given you went away feeling shitty, I wonder if you'd have felt better overall if you'd resigned yourself to not getting everything you wanted, accepted the blowjob she was giving and just jizzed on her tits or something? Personally I'd prefer to compromise a little on service rather than have things end like this. Others feel differently I'm sure, but that's my take on things.

Offline ralhar

you feel like a cunt because your a decent guy and dont want to harm anyone... ive left punts feeling guilty in the past but have enough experience now to avoid these kind of situations... i dont ask for CIM have no desire for anal... its a bit like learning to avoid bad punts isnt it...

plenty will disagree and say she took the money or whatever but we've all been talked into doing something we feel we cant say no to or been given a hard time at work because we need the money etc so should be able to empathise...

Offline the lurker

The person promising the services is not the person delivering them, she feels compelled and that is wrong, not your fault but wrong, this is what pimped girl means, not just someone taking a cut four sorting out a flat, but pretty much a slave master. Yuck.

Quesadilla

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There's a big difference between a lady who clearly seems to be loving it vs one who's going through the motions, but this is a new one on me.  Someone who's clearly not enjoying it is never a good thing. I feel for you - I'm sure I'd feel a bit shitty about it myself. 

Ultimately the only question you have to ask yourself is - was the sex consensual?  And by agreeing services up front and her not saying "no" or "stop" at any point then the sex was consensual. 

If someone is escorting out of financial desparation that's one thing - but ultimately sad though that might be it's still a conscious choice. A completely separate thing is if someone is being coerced / forced or has been subject to trafficking.  It's not something you can possibly even guess at but obviously it does go on and is one of the risks you face when punting especially someone not well rated/reviewed on here. 

Offline Rstone


If someone is escorting out of financial desparation that's one thing - but ultimately sad though that might be it's still a conscious choice. A completely separate thing is if someone is being coerced / forced or has been subject to trafficking.  It's not something you can possibly even guess at but obviously it does go on and is one of the risks you face when punting especially someone not well rated/reviewed on here.


I think that's a fair analysis. It's sad that trafficking puts some girls into such horrible situations.

I remember once when I went to my usual brazilians brothel around kingsX few years back, entered the place and chose a girl that must have been one of the prettiest girl I banged there, got into the room and after starting out our stuff I realised she had two scars on each wrist...
Made me feel very uncomfortable... Thought that she was clearly not their by choice, nor desperation...
Most of the girls I banged there were usually the opposite ... wild ... they would fuck you more than you would fuck them... and with a smile...
Not her case...
As I was already there I thought I'd try to make her have a good time and spent most of the hour licking her little snatch... Eventually made her moan while licking her beautiful little butt hole.

I remember somewhat the good times I've had there, but the moment I saw her wrists is still crystal clear in my mind....

I think it's responsible to go for recognised indies ... They're usually more expensive (too expensive sometimes... "Hello Bree if you read!"), but it avoids financing the bad side of this business ... If that makes sense

Offline StevenS

Horrible experience and one that's bothered you to the extent that you've had to write about it. For what it's worth I think we all go into these meetings all set for a good time with a girl who likes her job. This feels like the opposite. You paint a picture of a girl who having had a strangers spunk in her face sat resigned to her lot in life. It's depressing.

You are not a cunt though. If you'd enjoyed the reaction, enjoyed thinking you'd degraded her, you'd be a cunt. Your reaction is what any decent man would have.

This thread however should be the one those miserable bitches on mumsnet read. We're not animals, this demonstrates that.

Offline Urban_G

I don't see the real problem unless you feel she wasn't enjoying it for reasons beyond her control, for example if she was forced into prostitution, but that you will never know.

I think we've all had punts similar to this. Ideally of course, we want as much involvement and enthusiasm from the girl as we put in ourselves, but this will not always be the case for whatever reason. You said she smiled when you left so take some solace from that, at least she wasn't wincing or close to tears during the punt (was she?).

Offline firemansam

I remember once when I went to my usual brazilians brothel around kingsX few years back...

Mecklenburgh Place by any chance? I think there are still a few of those girls on AW. Carla stands out in my mind!

Offline MrSmiley

Thank you for your comments. Roo222 You’re right, I should probably have just finished on her tits. If it wasn't for that last bit I think all would have been fine. She’s happy to be fucked so it’s not as though she hates her job – she is just very vanilla and should just say no to a facial. I think it was when she started to blow the spunk out of her nose I really started to feel like a cunt. The sex was totally consensual and she certainly did not ask me to stop and definitely wasn’t close to tears! Christ that would have been another story altogether.

I don’t know enough on how these girls get into this business and I didn’t at any point think she was trafficked girl. (I drove down the road the other day and saw this young skinny girl looking at two dodgy looking guys discussing something and remember thinking they look like her pimps and felt shit for her. Could have been wrong of course) Anyway this girl seemed very happy when I met her, she was healthy and clean but as I said looking back she was not comfortable with the facial. I did ask and she said ok.

The whole episode happened quite quickly. I’ve seen scenes in movies where the girl is clearly not enjoying the sex – this was not one of those scenes. I’m a sensitive guy(!) and just felt she was very lonely. I’m rambling. It’s been interesting to read your comments on this – thanks again for replying. On a more positive not I had a good punt last night – I will add some comments to a recent review.

Offline ralhar

" should just say no to a facial. "

she probably does now...


greychap

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A lot of men probably would not give a shit but it does show by your reaction that you do, it shows your human.

Personally for me if I book a lady and she was hurting or uncomfortable with something I would stop it you would only continue if you are not a nice person. We all want the best time and there is a lot of women out there that provide a hardcore time lets say but I think we should remember every girl is different and I know I would not be comfortable or enjoy myself if I was hurting the girl or trying to pressure her to do something she is un easy about.

We all know there a lot of vulnerable girls that enter this industry from abused backgrounds and no doubt some are suffering from mental health issues, and we know there is a lot of girls intimidated or pimped in to this work and we don't always know if we might have seen one as a punt.

But my opinion is you wanted what you wanted which is fair enough but there is some girls that enjoy performing and are confident with this kind of thing those are the girls you can let yourself go with and have a wild time with, but this girl seems like she may have another party doing too much controlling so if I was there I would have felt uncomfortable too.

I think there is certain escorts that you can be dirty with and there up for it as you can tell how they act but when its the opposite situation and something does not feel right I personally would take a step back I know a lot of the escorts advertise the services that are offered especially if independent but it is not set in stone hence why it usually makes it clear you are paying for the time as well. If a girl was hurting from sex  wether too rough or too big then the punter should stop in my opinion it would not be the right thing to continue and hurt a girl.

Offline kidpoontang

I know you felt bad but you did pay for an agreed service, which it fell a bit short whether she enjoyed it or not (always dubious).  i'm guessing a refund wouldn't have been offered sodon't feel too bad.

Is this the same girl External Link/Members Only ?


Offline Boundless

Agree with most of what's been said.

It's a difficult question and one that I try not to think about.  There are hundreds of girls who are happy to do this job, which, after all, pays extremely well for the amount of work. However, there are also hundreds of them who do this because their circumstances dictate that they couldn't do anything else, i.e. having babies/young kids, lack of education or training etc. It could be quite easy to feel sorry for these type  of girls but I feel that paying them 60 or 70 quid for a half hour more than compensates them for the fact that they have to suck old, fat, ugly blokes' cocks for a living.

At the end of the day, we as punters can only ever guess at the reasons that they do the job and as long as we are reasonably confident that they haven't been trafficked and/or being kept prisoner and we don't force them to do something they don't want to do, then we should just enjoy the experience.

gmoney69

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it happens a lot, some (not all) will promise anything you want on the basis that 9/10 punters will just accept whats really on offer once your through the door.

Offline MrSmiley


Is this the same girl External Link/Members Only ?

This girl is a guy!!! Right name though! I reported the profile to AW to say it wasn't her and it has been removed. No longer in any of my Hotlists and can't find anyone called OLAHOT. The girl I met said she calls her Victoria and advertises on Gumtree but I couldn't find her..

Quesadilla

  • Guest
This girl is a guy!!! Right name though! I reported the profile to AW to say it wasn't her and it has been removed. No longer in any of my Hotlists and can't find anyone called OLAHOT. The girl I met said she calls her Victoria and advertises on Gumtree but I couldn't find her..
Maybe you did her a favour and helped her realise this biz is just not for her? We can but hope as I'd like to spare her a repeat but also feel for any punter that has a similar, not-so-Smiley experience to yours MrS.  :(

greychap

  • Guest
The price for half an hour 20 years ago was £60 and that was with out owo or any kissing, the price has come down so much by some escorts or stayed the same. If this industry went up with in price like wages  and other companies prices the half an hour service would be at least £100 so when you think about it the £60 is cheap for what you get.

Yes the girls do see men that are ugly smelly and old or rude and nasty at times no doubt but we have to remember the hourly fee for accountants, locksmiths, marketing consultants can be the same for some escorts in the industry and they are not risking catching sexual infections some that could be deadly. It is a risk doing owo, cim and sex if the condom breaks which does happen. So if you weigh up the risks and potential dangerous punters that could attack the escorts plus the shame if friends and family find out the money that some charge is not that much, its just a lot coming from the punters wage packet.

Offline sublimetoridiculous

... and old  ...
What has that got to do with anything?

Some WGs do have an upper age limit, but it's rare. A lot have told me they prefer older, and even old men as they get treated better.

Quesadilla

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The price for half an hour 20 years ago was £60 and that was with out owo or any kissing, the price has come down so much by some escorts or stayed the same. If this industry went up with in price like wages  and other companies prices the half an hour service would be at least £100 so when you think about it the £60 is cheap for what you get.

Yes the girls do see men that are ugly smelly and old or rude and nasty at times no doubt but we have to remember the hourly fee for accountants, locksmiths, marketing consultants can be the same for some escorts in the industry and they are not risking catching sexual infections some that could be deadly. It is a risk doing owo, cim and sex if the condom breaks which does happen. So if you weigh up the risks and potential dangerous punters that could attack the escorts plus the shame if friends and family find out the money that some charge is not that much, its just a lot coming from the punters wage packet.
I have friends who are locksmiths and even plumbers who are struggling - their hourly rate might be good as typically they are dealing with emergencies so customers have no choice but to cough up but they don't have steady work and can go days without a job easily. 

Also to be a skilled tradesman takes a lot of time, training and dedication whereas to spread your legs takes no education or training at all. 

And as for risks, there are risks, say, as a firefighter and they only get paid around £15 ph!  There's a good analogy of course as most firefighters spend half of their time on their backs in between shouts, but again it takes a lot of training and dedication as well as coping with those risks. 

But even a WG who chooses to see just one punter for 1 hour per day can earn more than a fireman which frankly I feel is crazy.  This is why in real terms pay has not gone up like other areas - competition has increased but ultimately WG's still make silly money for what they do regardless of the risks - when compared to other jobs.

I know in this thread MrSmiley had a bad experience with a WG who obviously wasn't enjoying the job - in which case I'd say - get out and do something else.  But I have met at least some WG's who've told me they've always been nympho's and used to fuck complete strangers for fun until they realised what an easy buck it is.

So I don't think it's cheap for what you get - it's a great experience but it's just an hour or two of fun which is quickly gone.  My favourite civvy hobbies are skiing and scuba-diving which are classed as expensive but a decent ski / scuba holiday doesn't cost anything like £150ph!

James999

  • Guest
potential dangerous punters that could attack the escorts

That's very rare, most pro$$ies that suffer violence seem to receive it from Pimps / partners / other pro$$ies  :thumbsdown:

Quesadilla

  • Guest
That's very rare, most pro$$ies that suffer violence seem to receive it from Pimps / partners / other pro$$ies  :thumbsdown:
I had a cancellation from a WG who had just been attacked by a punter - or rather a thief posing as a punter, figured she'd have lots of cash on her after a long day on her back turned out that was the day she was moving flat and he was her first trick of the day so no cash and nothing to nick. He didn't like that very much having built up the courage was determined to get away with something and so tried to nick her iPhone. 

She ended up with multiple defensive wounds and a deep stab wound (seen the scars since - nasty!) but fortunately nowhere vital.  Frankly she was very lucky. 

It may be rare but it is a risk. Pro$$ies could easily be carrying £500 - £1k in cash and there are lots of desperate people out there sadly.

James999

  • Guest
I had a cancellation from a WG who had just been attacked by a punter - or rather a thief posing as a punter, figured she'd have lots of cash on her after a long day on her back turned out that was the day she was moving flat and he was her first trick of the day so no cash and nothing to nick. He didn't like that very much having built up the courage was determined to get away with something and so tried to nick her iPhone. 
She ended up with multiple defensive wounds and a deep stab wound (seen the scars since - nasty!) but fortunately nowhere vital.  Frankly she was very lucky. 

That may very well be what she told you, but I doubt there is a crime report to the police stating that, more likely a dispute with her pimp / partner, still not right but more realistic.

Offline ralhar

hookers get robbed all the time... they are very easy targets...

not sure i agree with "just have to spread their legs" though...

to be successful and get a steady stream of decent well paying punters takes a certain kind of personality same as any job or profession... if they dont have that then they end up and the wrong end of the market struggling for business, having to work for less and having to put up with or deal with bad punters...

same as any business... do it right and it works well... but get it wrong and its a nightmare...


Stealthshagger

  • Guest
hookers get robbed all the time... they are very easy targets...

not sure i agree with "just have to spread their legs" though...

to be successful and get a steady stream of decent well paying punters takes a certain kind of personality same as any job or profession... if they dont have that then they end up and the wrong end of the market struggling for business, having to work for less and having to put up with or deal with bad punters...

same as any business... do it right and it works well... but get it wrong and its a nightmare...

condoms, a phone (with which you also take your first pics) and free adultwork. start with just outcalls or a cheap hotel. low rates to start so you get feedback. dont be a cunt to the punters. It isnt as hard as you think.

greychap

  • Guest
Girls that offer incalls from there own place it is a risk. it is a stranger turning up with fake name, pay as you go mobile and no trace so any nut jobs can attack and rob the girls it does go on, you hear about it off girls, newspapers and other forums with warnings there is a lot of nutters out there. One escort was murdered offering incalls in London I remember reading about it in a newspaper.

Outcalls seem to have less trouble as your going to the punters place so the girl or agency have your details address and usually a landline.

Lots of jobs can have danger linked to it, escorts have the dangers of nutters beating them, robbing them stalking them, and more chance of catching STD's so I would say it is a job with a lot of risks and how many family members would be ok with them doing that so a lot of them lead 2 lives. Don't sound that easy to me.

And another thing you might get self employed builders, plumbers quiet not getting many jobs per week or month and being quiet but don't think every escort is busy all the time no doubt there is a lot struggling to get work, look at how many girls are signed on with how many agencies in London and im told sometimes they might only get one job every couple of months.

Quesadilla

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That may very well be what she told you, but I doubt there is a crime report to the police stating that, more likely a dispute with her pimp / partner, still not right but more realistic.
That is indeed what she told me and as a regular I trust her enough to believe her. I certainly have no good reason to believe otherwise.

What makes an armchair punter like you an expert?

vt

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That is indeed what she told me and as a regular I trust her enough to believe her. I certainly have no good reason to believe otherwise.

What makes an armchair punter like you an expert?

James is talking about probabilities...it is statistically more probable to be the victim of violent assault by a perpetrator either acquainted to the victim (ie. pimp) or a domestic situation (ie. husband/BF), than a complete stranger (ie. thief posing as punter). A random violent street mugging is even less likely.

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When you add in the under-reporting of crime where the perpetrator is known to the victim, you might agree that James has a valid point.

Quesadilla

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James is talking about probabilities...it is statistically more probable to be the victim of violent assault by a perpetrator either acquainted to the victim (ie. pimp) or a domestic situation (ie. husband/BF), than a complete stranger (ie. thief posing as punter). A random violent street mugging is even less likely.

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When you add in the under-reporting of crime where the perpetrator is known to the victim, you might agree that James has a valid point.
I don't think we were talking stats, we were talking about a WG I know.

There's nothing in that report specific to crimes against prostitutes and it seems pretty crazy to me that a pimp or partner benefitting from a WG would ever take a knife to them and risk their income.  So no I don't agree James has a valid point.

If anyone has any actual stats on violent crimes against prostitutes that demonstrate this point I would change my view, as it is I can only go on experience.

Offline socks

OP in my view you should not feel guilty one little bit. No one* has no choice but to become a prostitute, anymore than any of us of normal means have a choice about either choosing to find some sort of job, or business to support ourselves and our family.

I get fucking pissed off in my work at times and have to do stuff that isn't nice, is depressing, compromises my own values etc, all the time. Unless you internalise all the twisted morality about sex, paying for sex, the utter fallacy perpetrated about this business that is lazily trotted out by the huge numbers of people in positions of power and influence (and not), then of course you're gonna beat yourself up in the situation you've described. If however you see it as a career choice she has freely made and you are simply availing yourself of services that she offers and agreed to, then tough shit on her if she didn't enjoy it. I'd say she is the one who should feel guilty, she's taken your money yet delivered the service in such a way as to devalue what you were provided with. If she can't do the job, she shouldn't do it. If she's struggling with it then she should deal with it elsewhere and not by selfishly transferring the problem to her customer.

*Disclaimer! unless they are genuinely coerced and this does happen. In which case you should end the punt and if you're community spirited report it to the police, an agency who could help, crimestoppers or whoever, there's probably plenty of other choices. :hi: