Not sure why you've said the same thing twice, but anyway: I've probably had about 500+ massages. I always start undraped unless asked otherwise. I almost always ask, politely, for extras, if not asked myself. Most say yes, but a good proportion say no. That's simply how it is. Some are just fine with nudity, but not keen on extras. There seems to be a school of thought among some in this thread that undraped nearly always equals extras guaranteed, but that's simply incorrect.