COVID+Flu jab

[timsussex]

Did you get a combined jab or 2 separate ones  ?
At the same time ? Don't fancy 2 sore arms as I only have 2 !

[george r]

Not had mine yet but a mate says he had his the other day and it's a jab in each arm so 2 jabs

[Strawberry]

Did you get a combined jab or 2 separate ones  ?
At the same time ? Don't fancy 2 sore arms as I only have 2 !

I bought mine privately, because of availability and location/logistics this autumn (there isn't a local pharmacy offering covid vaccine privately, whereas private flu is relatively easy to find) these were 4 weeks apart.

Two years ago when I was eligible for NHS provided covid vaccine I had flu and covid vaccination within 2 days of each other, one in each arm. I actually preferred this because it got it out of the way in a couple of days, rather than sore arm 3 days one week, sore arm 3 days a few weeks later.

However this year I hardly had any soreness from the flu vaccination, the covid obtained privately a few days ago was very sore but now easing so very relieved.

I think it's easy to over think this, and so I just tend to go with availability.

[Dickled]

Had mine a few days ago together, flu in one arm, covid in the other.
Apart from a little pain in one arm for a day or two, no problems.

[Thephoenix]

Had mine a few days ago together, flu in one arm, covid in the other.
Apart from a little pain in one arm for a day or two, no problems.

Same here!
No other noticeable side effects.

[DastardlyDick]

Had mine a few days ago together, flu in one arm, covid in the other.
Apart from a little pain in one arm for a day or two, no problems.

That's good to know, I've got my Covid and Flu jabs in a couple of weeks!

[Pillowtalk]

Did you get a combined jab or 2 separate ones  ?
At the same time ? Don't fancy 2 sore arms as I only have 2 !

I had them on consecutive days, both in same arm. No issues.

[radioman33]

One in each arm,ache for about 3 days,chemists doing walk inns

[hornypunter]

Only had the flu jab so far this year. At the time was suffering with a bit of shoulder pain, didn't notice any extra pain I arm after jab. Last year had both at same time one in each arm , sore in both fir a couple of days.

[catweazle]

Had both last Saturday. Conveyor belt throughput at the surgery, four rooms in use - go in, name and date of birth, one jab one arm, second jab the other.

Didn't feel the first needle certainly felt the second!

No real after effects, but felt a bit under the weather Saturday night. Arm that took the flu jab felt a bit "heavy" on Sunday.

[PumpDump]

Sorry guys, but I can't help myself, why are you risking your health for a jab which doesn't protect you against Covid, but can cause you serious harm? Have a read, I know many of you only trust BBC and mainstream?

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There are so many cases like this.

[Derrick101]

Sorry guys, but I can't help myself, why are you risking your health for a jab which doesn't protect you against Covid, but can cause you serious harm? Have a read, I know many of you only trust BBC and mainstream?

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There are so many cases like this.

A 3 year old report about the Pfizer booster, that is no longer used. 

The current one is from Novovax that works differently from the Pfizer/Moderna jabs. 

[PumpDump]

A 3 year old report about the Pfizer booster, that is no longer used. 

The current one is from Novovax that works differently from the Pfizer/Moderna jabs. 

Does it stop you getting Covid?

[Derrick101]

Does it stop you getting Covid?

Over 60% effective as far as I can see !

[Strawberry]

A 3 year old report about the Pfizer booster, that is no longer used. 

The current one is from Novovax that works differently from the Pfizer/Moderna jabs. 

At the pharmacy last week I was offered choice of Pfizer or Moderna, not Novovax.

I chose Moderna.

The same pharmacy are carrying out the NHS vaccination too.

Seems NHS are using the same.

Also as I understand the efficacy is for reduction of symptoms,.not actually not contracting it.

[daviemac]

Managed to get myself crossed off the Covid vaccine invitation list 'cause I don't want it but can't stop my bloody doctor inviting me for the flu one. I keep telling them I've never had it, don't want it and never will want it.

Oh my doc tell me I can have the Covid one at the same time.   

[MLawro93]

At the pharmacy last week I was offered choice of Pfizer or Moderna, not Novovax.

I chose Moderna.

The same pharmacy are carrying out the NHS vaccination too.

Seems NHS are using the same.

Also as I understand the efficacy is for reduction of symptoms,.not actually not contracting it.

Yep, these boosters are helpful with reducing the impact of symptoms, the same with flu.

I'll be getting my covid and flu privately, lucky work lets me reclaim the expense though! I believe Boots are only doing Pfizer for Covid (which is where I'll be going)

[mills_and_bhuna]

So they're still trying to pass off something that allegedly reduces symptoms as a vaccine?
60% effective?
What a joke..

[chrishornx]

Same here!
No other noticeable side effects.

had my flu jab last thursday and covid on friday

I was offered and had a Pneumonia jab at the same time a she flu jab, in the same arm - surprise nobody else has mentioned having a pneumonia jab

[Strawberry]

had my flu jab last thursday and covid on friday

I was offered and had a Pneumonia jab at the same time a she flu jab, in the same arm - surprise nobody else has mentioned having a pneumonia jab

I bought that some years ago, I understand the NHS offer it to over 65s, adults considered vulnerable and babies. Could be others have already received it, or do not qualify.

[lostandfound]

I'll be having covid and flu jabs at the same time. I've had Astrazeneca and Pfizer covid jabs in the past - and I have no concerns about another Pfizer jab if that is offered.

Side effects?

IIRC I once experienced tiredness for just a few hours after a Pfizer covid jab, after which I was fine.

And once, after combined covid and flu jabs, I experienced a mini flu episode for several hours the next day, after which I was fine; IMO I triggered that by going out for a 15K run early that morning, during which I noticed fatigue, which was unusual for me.

If I have any concern it is that last year the nurse was a little careless and I bled a little onto my short sleeved shirt. This year I will make sure to wear an old short sleeved shirt so a bloodstain will not matter.

[MLawro93]

had my flu jab last thursday and covid on friday

I was offered and had a Pneumonia jab at the same time a she flu jab, in the same arm - surprise nobody else has mentioned having a pneumonia jab

I forgot about this one. I'm not the target group, but definitely one that should be recommended more strongly!

[RandomGuy99]

I forgot about this one. I'm not the target group, but definitely one that should be recommended more strongly!

Is that the RSV jab?

I think it's by invitation only from your GP.

[Strawberry]

Is that the RSV jab?

I think it's by invitation only from your GP.

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[MLawro93]

Is that the RSV jab?

I think it's by invitation only from your GP.

You can get it privately as well. There is also a separate Pneumonia vaccine.

[Doc Holliday]

So they're still trying to pass off something that allegedly reduces symptoms as a vaccine?
60% effective?
What a joke..

I assume you are referring to Influenza? 

[RandomGuy99]

You can get it privately as well. There is also a separate Pneumonia vaccine.

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[Doc Holliday]

I have recently had my flu jab which I have had most winters for many years. Nearly always get a dead arm for day or two. I have in the past had Flu and Covid at same time in different arms with no ill effect.

I haven't had any Covid boosters for some time and will not be doing so, as the risk benefit ratio is no longer in my favour and probably isn't for most people any more.

[Doc Holliday]

At the pharmacy last week I was offered choice of Pfizer or Moderna, not Novovax.

I could be wrong, but think it is only available at pharmacies via private healthcare providers?

[Doc Holliday]

Managed to get myself crossed off the Covid vaccine invitation list 'cause I don't want it but can't stop my bloody doctor inviting me for the flu one. I keep telling them I've never had it, don't want it and never will want it.

Well done. I would give up with challenging the flu database 

[Thephoenix]

I haven't had any Covid boosters for some time and will not be doing so, as the risk benefit ratio is no longer in my favour and probably isn't for most people any more.

Could  you explain how you've reached that conclusion Doc.
I assume that the term 'most people' doesn't include those folk that the NHS recommends receive the jab.
i.e.
Over 65.
Pregnant.
Six mths to 64 yrs with increased risk of becoming seriously ill from COVID
because of a health condition or treatment.
Living in a care home for older adults.

[daviemac]

Well done. I would give up with challenging the flu database 

The Covid one was easy, there was a link in one of the emails they sent, I know there's no chance with the flu one so I just ignore the messages now. 2 last month and 1 so far this month.

[Dickled]

It doesn't bother me that some question the efficacy of the covid jab.
I've had everyone offered so far, and without being complacent, thus far appear to have avoided covid.
Whether that's because of the jab, I can't truly say.
Maybe the possible placebo effects of the jab shouldn't be discounted?

[timsussex]

It doesn't bother me that some question the efficacy of the covid jab.
I've had everyone offered so far, and without being complacent, thus far appear to have avoided covid.
Whether that's because of the jab, I can't truly say.
Maybe the possible placebo effects of the jab shouldn't be discounted?

The odds are quite high that you had a very mild dose and didnt realise it; interesting that many of todays vaccines are now being advertised as  "reducing symptoms" rather than offering total immunity.
IMHO thats a much more honest approach to most diseases - especially ones which have high rates of mutation so have so many different strains.

Its really quite remarkable that the whole process of immunisation became common when Jenner listened to a milkmaid and only worked because the inconvenient Cowpox and deadly Smallpox shared a common structure - which doesnt mutate. But it still took hundreds of millions of deaths before vaccination eradicated smallpox

[ProjectFun]

Is the Flu jab still being made the same way as normal as I know they were on about making it a mRNA jab like the covid vaccine.

[PumpDump]

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Professor of Oncology at St George's Hospital, Tooting, outlines the serious harms caused by MRNA vaccines, including cancer.

[Strawberry]

It doesn't bother me that some question the efficacy of the covid jab.
I've had everyone offered so far, and without being complacent, thus far appear to have avoided covid.
Whether that's because of the jab, I can't truly say.
Maybe the possible placebo effects of the jab shouldn't be discounted?

Whereas I know people who've caught covid 4 times, once before vaccination, 3 times after full vaccination including taking every single booster offered to the most vulnerable groups. 

I've knowingly had it once after vaccination but at that time hasn't had a booster for 9 months because I was no longer eligible and private vaccines were not available yet. I test routinely twice a week, more if I feel peaky and or know im going to be in contact with someone particularly vulnerable, so unlikely to sneak in without me knowing. However the 1 person who caught it from me had had recent (within 12 weeks) booster.

I think it depends on many factors.

[DastardlyDick]

Is that the RSV jab?

I think it's by invitation only from your GP.

Had mine a year or so ago - it's given to "vulnerable groups" which basically means over 70 and/or Immuno suppressed.
Covid is similar, but it's done in "tranches" starting with elderly in 3 or 4 age groups, then others last.

[Thephoenix]

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Professor of Oncology at St George's Hospital, Tooting, outlines the serious harms caused by MRNA vaccines, including cancer.

Blimey!..... That's rather unsettling.
I've had every booster.
How do I get unvaccinated? 

[Stevelondon]

Last time I had a Covid jab the air con in the car packed in. 🤷🏼

[Doc Holliday]

Could  you explain how you've reached that conclusion Doc.
I assume that the term 'most people' doesn't include those folk that the NHS recommends receive the jab.
i.e.
Over 65.
Pregnant.
Six mths to 64 yrs with increased risk of becoming seriously ill from COVID
because of a health condition or treatment.
Living in a care home for older adults.

No I meant most people in those groups. Only the one highlighted in red in my opinion applies as a reason to have the vaccine booster. Obviously they may then also be in the other groups too. There should be nobody who has not encountered the virus and built up sufficient immunity by a combination of vaccination or contraction, to prevent serious illness.

Those elderly residents in care homes who survived the pandemic (and many did not prior to the vaccines) are potentially the most immune group on earth!

[Doc Holliday]

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Professor of Oncology at St George's Hospital, Tooting, outlines the serious harms caused by MRNA vaccines, including cancer.

You are aware I take it of his somewhat controversial political background and his possible 'self interest' agenda with MRNA vaccines?

Anyway this thread appears to be mirroring the main Covid thread again and deviating from the original opening post which has been answered. Perhaps it should be merged?

EDIT I should add, that in relation to the OP, I think I read there is a combined Flu/ Covid vaccine being developed by the MRNA boys. I wouldn't touch it.

[DastardlyDick]

EDIT I should add, that in relation to the OP, I think I read there is a combined Flu/ Covid vaccine being developed by the MRNA boys. I wouldn't touch it.

Doesn't the flu jab change slightly every year depending on which strain of flu is thought to be most prevalent?
When I went for my first one, which is run conveyor belt style by my GP practice, I was greeted with the comment "ah, a youngster" and they went off to get a different vial. At my age, being called a youngster by a rather attractive milf made my day!

[Strawberry]

Doesn't the flu jab change slightly every year depending on which strain of flu is thought to be most prevalent?
When I went for my first one, which is run conveyor belt style by my GP practice, I was greeted with the comment "ah, a youngster" and they went off to get a different vial. At my age, being called a youngster by a rather attractive milf made my day!

Over 65s receive a slightly different version due to a difference in immune response. And yes the vaccine contains the most prevalantly current strains of the flu virus.

Useful link for information;

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[cunnyhunt]

Sorry guys, but I can't help myself, why are you risking your health for a jab which doesn't protect you against Covid, but can cause you serious harm? Have a read, I know many of you only trust BBC and mainstream?

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There are so many cases like this.

Some vaccines will stop you contracting the infection/disease but most will reduce the effects. You must think it stops you contracting Covid where it was never intended that way but to reduce the symptoms and severity.
I have been exposed to Covid many times but never contracted it, I have been tested several times to see if I carry the signs of a mild infection but none are detectable. In my office we had a young girl of 25 who contracted it and died within 7 days. Too many underestimate how bad the virus was.

[DastardlyDick]

Some vaccines will stop you contracting the infection/disease but most will reduce the effects. You must think it stops you contracting Covid where it was never intended that way but to reduce the symptoms and severity.
I have been exposed to Covid many times but never contracted it, I have been tested several times to see if I carry the signs of a mild infection but none are detectable. In my office we had a young girl of 25 who contracted it and died within 7 days. Too many underestimate how bad the virus was.

As you correctly say, none of the Covid jabs were ever intended to give immunity, they just reduced the likelihood of you dying from it. The Pfizer and Moderna ones certainly did the job when it finally got me, symptoms were no worse than a normal cold. I believe for a vaccine to give immunity, it has to be made of either a dilute or inactive version of the thing it gives immunity from, which is why they take years to develop and test.

[timsussex]

As you correctly say, none of the Covid jabs were ever intended to give immunity, they just reduced the likelihood of you dying from it. The Pfizer and Moderna ones certainly did the job when it finally got me, symptoms were no worse than a normal cold. I believe for a vaccine to give immunity, it has to be made of either a dilute or inactive version of the thing it gives immunity from, which is why they take years to develop and test.

no - the key to vaccines giving immunity is for the target not to change (or very much)  and produce strong antibodies eg smallpox or polio and is why we will never have 100% immunity to flu or COVID which has so many variants

It is true that inactive or weakened versions of viruses have a wider range of target sites so produce a wider range of antibodies while the mRNA vaccines only produce one (or a few) protein target
Some antigens produce a stronger antibodies than others possibly due to their uniqueness or just their shape gives rise to a stronger antibody - like it is easier for an antibody to grip onto

[PumpDump]

As you correctly say, none of the Covid jabs were ever intended to give immunity, they just reduced the likelihood of you dying from it. The Pfizer and Moderna ones certainly did the job when it finally got me, symptoms were no worse than a normal cold. I believe for a vaccine to give immunity, it has to be made of either a dilute or inactive version of the thing it gives immunity from, which is why they take years to develop and test.

That is not how it was sold to us. I can pull a million clips of prime ministers, other politicians, medical leaders and Bill Gates telling us the vaccine would stop transmission.

As for your symptoms, you have no idea if you would have felt the same without the vaccine. I never took the vaccine, I don't know if I got Covid as I didn't obsessively test myself, I did get what felt like a normal cold. My brother-in-law who had all the boosters got Covid and he was knocked out for two weeks.

[Clitheroelad]

Ive had both seperately, not had any soreness or side effects from either this year.

[lostandfound]

That is not how it was sold to us. I can pull a million clips of prime ministers, other politicians, medical leaders and Bill Gates telling us the vaccine would stop transmission.

As for your symptoms, you have no idea if you would have felt the same without the vaccine. I never took the vaccine, I don't know if I got Covid as I didn't obsessively test myself, I did get what felt like a normal cold. My brother-in-law who had all the boosters got Covid and he was knocked out for two weeks.

[Unwise to respond - but ...]

Partial immunity stops transmission. This is obvious.

Not completely - that is also obvious.