pro's and con's of agencies

[red_zed]

It's my sophomore year in punting and so far this is what I can gather about agencies:

Pro's

*Good looking girls - I would class some as model type, especially the EE one's and this is no exaggeration

* Cleaner girls - I have had no problems and no regrets going down most girls from a particular agency that I have used

* friendlier girls - Never met one with poor manners or who tried to get into argument mode - although chance could play a factor into this

* Better apartments - yes agency girls seems to live in some cool apartment blocks that I probably would be angry living in If I knew one's of my neighbors was providing certain vice related services

* better service - From the agencies i have been with the girls seemed to have been used less and thus provide more vibrant action in bed

Con's

* prices - agency girls charge more than independents or establishments although this is not so bothersome to me. £250 for a good session lasting 1.5 hours is more worthwhile than an average session costing £150. However I can see why this could bother some people

* timewatching - agency girls seem to be real strict on time and use their phone more often than indie's. Although from my experience they don't mind you arriving slightly earlier they have on occasions ended things 10-15 minutes before schedule. Also a prepunt shower is a must even though you explained that you already had one prior to arriving 

* The inevitable chance meeting with the pimp - Imo every working girl has a pimp. even the independents but they just hide them better. most agency girls I have met had an obvious pimp located in the lobby of the building or waiting outside with his phone. It does not bother me much because they don't stare at you or intimidate in any way shape or form but I can see why it can bother people. I like to go to my meetings with the thought that nobody knows why I am there.

* Hotels - these can be quite bothersome for punters trying to be discreet or who are socially anxious. Agency girls don't use hotels as much as they used to but I personally can't wait for the day when agency girls never use hotels at all.

[AnthG]

I personally much prefer agencies to independents but I do not agree with many points in your list. The reasons why

Pro's

*Good looking girls - I would class some as model type, especially the EE one's and this is no exaggeration

This just means agencies hire professional photographers who usually do heavy photoshopping too, whereas independents just chuck selfies done with their mobile phone.

Agencies that specialise in EE girls for some reason often do some crazy levels of photoshopping that the girls often look like Thunderbirds characters for some reason.

* Cleaner girls - I have had no problems and no regrets going down most girls from a particular agency that I have used

A lot of people will argue against that because due to the time constraints that agencies put on girls, the girls just use a wet wipe in the 10-15mins between punters.

* Better apartments - yes agency girls seems to live in some cool apartment blocks that I probably would be angry living in If I knew one's of my neighbors was providing certain vice related services

In Newcastle the agency owned apartments are usually pretty dire. They serve their purpose, and their benefits is the flats are usually in decent areas of town but inside you are talking about furniture that would look not out of place in a student flat.

Con's

* prices - agency girls charge more than independents or establishments although this is not so bothersome to me. £250 for a good session lasting 1.5 hours is more worthwhile than an average session costing £150. However I can see why this could bother some people

This for me is my biggest disagreement with your list, and my biggest plus in using agencies as in Newcastle its the opposite way around. Agencies usually charge a lot less than independents.

And girls who work for agencies usually when working as independent often charge more.

For Newcastle agencies its usually £50 per 30mins and £100 per hour. The same girls on AW charge £60-£80 per 30 mins and £120-£130 per hour.

They are stark raving mad in doing this as it means you are forced to book via the agency and this means due to their greed they only see something like £60 of that £100 you paid via booking from the agency as the agency takes usually a third cut of the money < ***Example of prostitute logic there *** as they could have had the whole £100 as independent but instead by being gready they get £60.

[Happylad]

My definitions are somewhat simpler:

The pro`s are the girls who work there

The cons are the tricks they play on us (hasn`t turned up today, sorry - double booked, 4th trick today and hasn`t showered since she arrived, sorry that`s £20 extra, etc., etc., etc.)

[ruby-tuesday]

I am honestly completely baffled as to why any girl would rather work for a agency 

Money - having to give someone else some of your earnings? That's a good way to make a girl bitter VERY quickly I imagine, especially as agencies really don't seem to be worth it in the slightest. It must be galling to know that indies are earning up to 50% more for the same work and I would have thought that would result in the quality of the service suffering (or at the very least, the enthusiasm with which it is delivered!) If you got something in return for giving them a cut, I could definitely understand it. But I really can't see that they do anything an indy can't do, and probably do better 

Advertising - if you are a fan of glossy, photoshopped, or downright fake pics then an agency is for you... agencies are also notorious for lying about the girls. Must be shitty turning up and the guy being disappointed as you look nothing like your pics, or having to wade through endless conversations about how you don't actually do anal,the agency just likes to say you do. I know that some indies do both of the above as well, but at least I have choice if I am indy and can market myself however I like! Also, if you don't quite fit the skinny, glossy stereotype, agencies will struggle to market you well. There are a lot of excellent, successful indy gals who have a USP or a niche and work it brilliantly - I don't think an agency would be so good at that, they are more likely to just lie about you rather than take the time to highlight your particular strengths.. 

Security - I've heard awful stories about agencies not vetting clients or performing basic security measures like checking the number or address against a list of known dangerous punters, then doing fuck all when the girl is in trouble. I'd much rather do my own checks and use my own security buddy who I KNOW will call someone if I don't call her to say I am safe. I also need to speak to the clients myself before meeting; its amazing how you can get a sense for the ones who will be abusive or unpleasant in person - I would never trust an agency booked or pimp with pound signs in their eyes to have my safety at heart! 

Driver/incall flat - it's really not hard to sort these yourself if you want, or just use taxis /hotels. I prefer that, a flat would make me nervous and drivers are pricey..

Handling enquiries - this is the only area I can see where an agency could help the prossie. It takes me several hours each day to sort my emails, organise my diary, update profile, place adverts, take new photos and upload them etc.. and I'm not even that busy. I imagine super busy full-timers must find this a pain sometimes, also clients ringing while you are with other clients / asleep / on the bus can be a bit awkward! On the other hand, I like planning my own diary as I can ensure I have enough time in between clients and can see clients when I want, not when I happen to be working for the agency. Also I like chatting via email or whatever first, it helps break the ice. It can drive you mad though and while it wouldn't be for me, I can definitely see the appeal sometimes.

But overall I can't really understand why any ladies would go the agency route. Get an assistant if bookings/enquiries are swamping you but really, when we are being paid £100 an hour, we can put up with a few frustrating unpaid hours handling that side of things I think

I suppose the looks thing is a valid point, agencies tend to have a certain standard where as anyone can set up as an indy.. but on the other hand, agencies also tend to photoshop/lie about their girls. Dodgy WGs who misrepresent themselves can be found everywhere, I'm not saying they can't, but I think a well reviewed indy would be a better bet IMO She will probably be a lot happier with her work, anyway - which translates to better service for you!! 

[endomorph]

I have found agency SP's are much less put out if one declines to go forward with the punt on meeting them. Some indies go ballistic; agency SP's seem more philosophic, aware that agencies tend to oversell them.

[James999]

Pro's
* Cleaner girls - I have had no problems and no regrets going down most girls from a particular agency that I have used

If the girl is being driven job to job of an evening she's not even going to have time to wipe herself down with a wet wipe in the back of Sergeis car, let alone have a wash. there are comments on here from girls who worked for agencies / pimps and confirmed that they book back to back to maximise their income, with no regard for Pro$$ie or Client 

[James999]

I am honestly completely baffled as to why any girl would rather work for a agency

If a girl is coked out a lot of the time and can't organise even a phone / Sim / Credit / Internet then for her it appears an option, but even the most stupid of Pro$$ies should soon realise that the Pimp taking half (sometimes more sometimes less) for doing nothing is stupid 

For EE girls it's different as they need the pimp to organise everything for them as they may not even speak English, so the Pimp brings them to the UK, unfortunately this is trafficking with it's associated illegalities.

[Toshiba]

An agency surely must be better for business, anyway most have dual agencies and work as indies too

I use agencies as i feel when it goes shite they at times have been willing to give freebies

Im sure this is a punters question and im baffled why we need a reply from a WG above?

[James999]

An agency surely must be better for business,

Can we change the word Agency for Pimp (it's much more honest)

So, how can a Pimp be better for business?

From a clients point of view he pays £100 and girl gets £50 and gives him a £50 service
From a Pro$$ies point of view client pays £100 she gets £50 and gives him a £50 service

The only winner is the Pimp 

[west8]

Can we change the word Agency for Pimp (it's much more honest)

That depends on whether you understand what the word 'pimp' means.

Given what I have read on this forum about girls being 'moved around', working in 'groups' and even the occasional male presence in the flat during a punt, a fair few 'indies' are clearly 'pimped'.

The difference between agencies and 'managers' is a simple one - control. Agencies do not actively recruit girls, they employ those who apply and who they view as being suitable. How they judge 'suitability' I have no idea, but of course looks are paramount.

As agencies do not 'control' girls but usually 'represent' them, the key criteria for pimping is absent.

[smiths]

It's my sophomore year in punting and so far this is what I can gather about agencies:

Pro's

*Good looking girls - I would class some as model type, especially the EE one's and this is no exaggeration

* Cleaner girls - I have had no problems and no regrets going down most girls from a particular agency that I have used

* friendlier girls - Never met one with poor manners or who tried to get into argument mode - although chance could play a factor into this

* Better apartments - yes agency girls seems to live in some cool apartment blocks that I probably would be angry living in If I knew one's of my neighbors was providing certain vice related services

* better service - From the agencies i have been with the girls seemed to have been used less and thus provide more vibrant action in bed

Con's

* prices - agency girls charge more than independents or establishments although this is not so bothersome to me. £250 for a good session lasting 1.5 hours is more worthwhile than an average session costing £150. However I can see why this could bother some people

* timewatching - agency girls seem to be real strict on time and use their phone more often than indie's. Although from my experience they don't mind you arriving slightly earlier they have on occasions ended things 10-15 minutes before schedule. Also a prepunt shower is a must even though you explained that you already had one prior to arriving 

* The inevitable chance meeting with the pimp - Imo every working girl has a pimp. even the independents but they just hide them better. most agency girls I have met had an obvious pimp located in the lobby of the building or waiting outside with his phone. It does not bother me much because they don't stare at you or intimidate in any way shape or form but I can see why it can bother people. I like to go to my meetings with the thought that nobody knows why I am there.

* Hotels - these can be quite bothersome for punters trying to be discreet or who are socially anxious. Agency girls don't use hotels as much as they used to but I personally can't wait for the day when agency girls never use hotels at all.

All this depends on the Agency and the WG herself of course. For me in London there are no advantages to punting through Agencies as they are too expensive for my liking with a £150 an hour base price often which is why i dont anymore. The only advantages they may offer me are i could punt with a WG at 2am, i can wait until Indies are available and they might have a choice of WGs. Again i am happy to choose an Indie i fancy.

If an Agency was cheaper with good WGs i might be interested, as it is they wont be getting my business.

[Wowgeek]

That depends on whether you understand what the word 'pimp' means.

Indeed it does, most definitions of the word do not mention control, they are 'agents or procurers' ergo Agencies are pimps 

[solway]

I bet they have first shot at the girls too sort of trial or interview - casting couch lol.

[west8]

Indeed it does, most definitions of the word do not mention control, they are 'agents or procurers' ergo Agencies are pimps 

You mean like this one:

noun
1A man who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them, taking a percentage of their earnings in return.

[Wowgeek]

You mean like this one:

Yes, I did say 'most' not 'all', the only one I found that mentioned control was American, but it's not worth a spat 

[James999]

Pimp
a person, especially, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer.


All this "Agent / manager" is bollocks 

[Wowgeek]

Pimp
a person, especially, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer.

All this "Agent / manager" is bollocks 

Indeed, I thought you were disagreeing with me but it seems not.

[west8]

Yes, I did say 'most' not 'all', the only one I found that mentioned control was American, but it's not worth a spat 

External Link/Members Only

a man who controls prostitutes, especially by finding customers for them, and takes some of the money that they earn

But I do wonder: given the above, can a woman ever legally be defined as a 'pimp' / 'pimpess' ?

[smiths]

Pimp
a person, especially, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer.


All this "Agent / manager" is bollocks 

Absolutely, an Agency pimp is controlling prostitutes for gain and if also supplying the WGs premises as i have read some do in the North East they are also running a brothel.

Running a brothel is a very easy offence to prove, the police obviously just send a copper in undercover, running an Agency takes a bit more police work to prove. And with both offences the top cops in any given area decide whether to allow them to operate and for how long, and could raid them at any time under POCA, a nice little earner.

[galcom666]

But I do wonder: given the above, can a woman ever legally be defined as a 'pimp' / 'pimpess' ?

Not a pimp but a Madam.

I remember a long time ago a Madam of an agency was sent down for being a Madam. She was nicknamed the queen of tarts.

IIRC she incriminated herself rather stupidly.

It was something like men pay money to consume everything which is to be consumed

A couple of WG also made stupid statements.

Something like Well he's paying me £500 an hour, he isn't going to pay that to look into my eyes over dinner all evening is he?

[ruby-tuesday]

An agency surely must be better for business, anyway most have dual agencies and work as indies too

I use agencies as i feel when it goes shite they at times have been willing to give freebies

Im sure this is a punters question and im baffled why we need a reply from a WG above?

Yeah that was more suited to SAAFE, I'm sorry. Too much time on my hands today (home poorly) and had been thinking about agencies vs indy earlier, was thinking out loud. Bit too long of a post too! I do genuinely enjoy reading this forum and occasionally I think it might help getting a WG perspective but probably not that often TBH, I admit! Happy to mostly browse reviews for tips / giggles and post v occasionally, don't want to change the tone of the forum

As you were 

[StPunt]

i agree with you ruby, looking from the point of view of the wg then going anything other than independant is just bloody insane.

as a client i only ever book indies

[red_zed]

This for me is my biggest disagreement with your list, and my biggest plus in using agencies as in Newcastle its the opposite way around. Agencies usually charge a lot less than independents.

And girls who work for agencies usually when working as independent often charge more.

For Newcastle agencies its usually £50 per 30mins and £100 per hour. The same girls on AW charge £60-£80 per 30 mins and £120-£130 per hour.

They are stark raving mad in doing this as it means you are forced to book via the agency and this means due to their greed they only see something like £60 of that £100 you paid via booking from the agency as the agency takes usually a third cut of the money < ***Example of prostitute logic there *** as they could have had the whole £100 as independent but instead by being gready they get £60.

I don't know maybe that's how things are in Newcastle but in London it's a totally different story.

In terms of london agency girls are better than Independents in my experience. Although I understand some may disagree with this and a lot largely depends on chance.

I rather dish out on a reputable agency that charges more per hour than an independent or low class agency.

with regards to your comment about photoshop, which I think you misunderstood my point - is that some agencies I have used in the past like Bond and Mayfair in London use photoshop to hide the identity of their women but they are still hot as hell when you meet them.

[smiths]

I don't know maybe that's how things are in Newcastle but in London it's a totally different story.

In terms of london agency girls are better than Independents in my experience. Although I understand some may disagree with this and a lot largely depends on chance.

I rather dish out on a reputable agency that charges more per hour than an independent or low class agency.

with regards to your comment about photoshop, which I think you misunderstood my point - is that some agencies I have used in the past like Bond and Mayfair in London use photoshop to hide the identity of their women but they are still hot as hell when you meet them.

I couldnt disagree with you more. In reality there are some excellent Indies in London as proved by the reviews on them. Also some Agency WGs are also Indies as well of course.

When i punted through Agencies years ago and was paying between £150-350 an hour the reality was none of those WGs were in anyway better than others i punted with as Indies charging me £100 an hour. Obviously some Agency WGs must be good as what makes a good WG is her attitude but i much prefer to punt with Indies or even Parlour WGs than through Agencies.

[west8]

I don't know maybe that's how things are in Newcastle but in London it's a totally different story.

In terms of london agency girls are better than Independents in my experience. Although I understand some may disagree with this and a lot largely depends on chance.

I rather dish out on a reputable agency that charges more per hour than an independent or low class agency.

with regards to your comment about photoshop, which I think you misunderstood my point - is that some agencies I have used in the past like Bond and Mayfair in London use photoshop to hide the identity of their women but they are still hot as hell when you meet them.

Nice little tout. I guess things are quiet over at Bond and Mayfair HQ.

For once, I actually find myself largely agreeing with smiths. I've been a prolific user of London agencies for almost two decades and I can tell you this: agency girls are inferior - and they cost more.

I'll even go a step further: I have yet to meet an AW girl that isn't considerably superior to a typical agency girl in every way that matters:

1. Personality;
2. Attitude;
3. Looks;
4. Service;
5. Value.

Oh look, that could even be the basis of a ratings scale for AW reviews ... 

[Gene Hunt]

i had one agency girl that cost quite a bit of money and we didn't click and i left early. The agency was very understandable and gave me a good discount off the next girl i saw. She was incredible. Shame the agency closed not too long after that 

Saw a AW girl and attitude was as cold as a wet russian fish. Left early, out of pocket and pissed off. Left neutral feedback and she gives me negative feedback!!!

[Horizontal pleasures]

Agencies are a con.

[smiths]

Agencies are a con.

Certainly not a method of punting i will use again i doubt, though if the prices charged were like they are in some other areas of the country outside of London it might be a different story.

[west8]

Agencies are a con.

Yep - as perfectly illustrated by this cross=post:

On the subject of piss-taking agencies:


indian-amira
External Link/Members Only - £160.00 / hr

Amira
External Link/Members Only - £250.00 / hr

 

[Gene Hunt]

Ouch!!!!

Just a shame not all girls work as an indie