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Author Topic: Toys R Us Director, what a plank  (Read 5043 times)


Offline SteveNova

Interesting that they have gone after the escort for the cash, as it was proceeds from his crime of theft.  He even gave her a Bentley  :scare:

Offline smiths

Interesting that they have gone after the escort for the cash, as it was proceeds from his crime of theft.  He even gave her a Bentley  :scare:

Adjudged to be free gifts rather than earnings due to the huge money she said she was charging him as a WG which the judge rejected. Her neighbours grassed her up due to her being flash, if only she had got this criminal mug to buy her a house with no near neighbours she might of gotten away with it.

He had to pay this money back or face another 10 years on top of the 7 he got in late 2009. POCA decided to go after her and could apparently of charged her as Silverado said but chose only the POCA route, if she doesnt pay back what they tell her to she will then be in legal bother.

IMO if a woman who told me she was rich gave me huge amounts of money to shag her i would be happy to accept it and not bothered where it was coming from. In this case her greed was her downfall but greed isnt a crime on its own plus crucially its not been proved by charging her and taking her to court that she knew he was stealing this money. So if she didnt know i think she has been treated harshly personally, she has been named and splashed across the media for basically being greedy but not breaking the law.;)

Offline Marmalade

It would be interesting to know what the legal reasoning was behind the order to seize money in her possession.

If, say, he had stolen a car and given it to her, there would be no problem returning it to the rightful owner. Does she have any right to the money that was given her if she did not know it was illegally obtained?

But from the newspaper reports, there seems to be an element that she obtained the amount of money unreasonably, if not illegally.

There was recently a case where a cult brainwashed a man into handing over property worth six figures. He went to court and had the property returned, even though he had handed it over contractually. The woman reminds me a little bit of a shark builder who charges some old folk many times more than should be charged, simply because she can get away with it and the payee is in thrall of her. She maybe waved her fanny instead of ridiculous claims and promises. He might have been stupid paying her so much, but she could hardly be said not to be taking advantage. It was not the normal rate by any reasonable definition.

The courts can't return the money to him - it was obtained illegally and also they have CPS guidelines intended "to address the demand for prostitution services and reduce all forms of commercial sexual exploitation . . . developed, in part, to enable the UK to meet its international legal obligations to discourage the demand for sexual services in support of Conventions to suppress and prevent trafficking for sexual exploitation." Giving him a bollocking and letting her off scott free would appear to go against the tide. Personally I think she sounds like a cunt - even if a little more transparency of process would have been nice. My brain hurts. Maybe someone else can work out exactly what happened?
« Last Edit: September 17, 2011, 07:08:30 AM by Marmalade »

Offline Matium

It's not as if she's even beautiful.

£20,000 a week for that!




Offline Matium

He gave £600,000 to another prostitute - Tanya Wieck - look at her, she's got teeth missing!


Offline Matium

When I first saw the headlines, I thought it must have involved incredibly hot, beautiful and sexy women who had trapped this man with their looks and guile.

But look at them! Both middle aged and plump, - women I would pass on a bus stop without even giving a second look.

This, in fact, makes it worse since all three knew perfectly well what they were doing.

He could act out his fantasy of being a hotshot millionaire benefactor, whilst they both realising they had a dupe with money in their midst, fleeced him for everything that they could.

Unbelievable.

Offline Lurtz

When I first saw the headlines, I thought it must have involved incredibly hot, beautiful and sexy women who had trapped this man with their looks and guile.

But look at them! Both middle aged and plump, - women I would pass on a bus stop without even giving a second look.

This, in fact, makes it worse since all three knew perfectly well what they were doing.

He could act out his fantasy of being a hotshot millionaire benefactor, whilst they both realising they had a dupe with money in their midst, fleeced him for everything that they could.

Unbelievable.

My thoughts mirror yours. I've seen better talent at grab-a-granny night.

Offline Ali Katt

My thoughts mirror yours. I've seen better talent at grab-a-granny night.
+1 Look like they would be more at home on a bingo night than living the high life. The shocking thing is after seeing pics of those two if you didn't know they are escorts you wouldn't believe it - the other shocking thing is for a while they actually did incredibly well from it more so than incredibly hot women. I'm guessing the man was just lonely and wanted someone "normal" to be a wife figure.

 :lol: Christ I hadn't seen the pics of the "beauties" I was also expecting some fit young'uns, that just makes it all the more hilarious  :lol:

Offline smiths

It would be interesting to know what the legal reasoning was behind the order to seize money in her possession.

If, say, he had stolen a car and given it to her, there would be no problem returning it to the rightful owner. Does she have any right to the money that was given her if she did not know it was illegally obtained?

But from the newspaper reports, there seems to be an element that she obtained the amount of money unreasonably, if not illegally.

There was recently a case where a cult brainwashed a man into handing over property worth six figures. He went to court and had the property returned, even though he had handed it over contractually. The woman reminds me a little bit of a shark builder who charges some old folk many times more than should be charged, simply because she can get away with it and the payee is in thrall of her. She maybe waved her fanny instead of ridiculous claims and promises. He might have been stupid paying her so much, but she could hardly be said not to be taking advantage. It was not the normal rate by any reasonable definition.

The courts can't return the money to him - it was obtained illegally and also they have CPS guidelines intended "to address the demand for prostitution services and reduce all forms of commercial sexual exploitation . . . developed, in part, to enable the UK to meet its international legal obligations to discourage the demand for sexual services in support of Conventions to suppress and prevent trafficking for sexual exploitation." Giving him a bollocking and letting her off scott free would appear to go against the tide. Personally I think she sounds like a cunt - even if a little more transparency of process would have been nice. My brain hurts. Maybe someone else can work out exactly what happened?

The legal reasoning was they were adjudged to be free gifts and not earnt by her meaning she has to pay back what the POCA hearing tells her to. It comes down to in the judges thinking she wasnt reasonable in her saying she was charging him for sex as that amount of money per week isnt a reasonable amount. If she had been one of those WGs who had a proven track record of charging punters this kind of money per week (i guess some rich mugs pay these amounts :scare:) she could well of kept it as it was earnings not gifts. ;)

Offline smiths

My thoughts mirror yours. I've seen better talent at grab-a-granny night.

I have pulled better talent at Woodford Grab-A-Granny night. :D ;)

Offline Matium

I've asked around on why any man would ever want a WG who was missing a few teeth and the answer I've got is that they give an incredible OWO - apparently, it's all due to the pressure of her gums on his manhood.

Still think I'll pass though.

 :D


Offline SteveNova

Assuming he was capable of making rational decisions, I don't really see why her receiving gifts from him is a reason for having to pay back the cash - whereas earning the money would enable her to keep the proceeds.  If she was unaware of his criminality that is.  I agree with Al that he may have been looking for company or love.

Offline smiths

Assuming he was capable of making rational decisions, I don't really see why her receiving gifts from him is a reason for having to pay back the cash - whereas earning the money would enable her to keep the proceeds.  If she was unaware of his criminality that is.  I agree with Al that he may have been looking for company or love.

There is no proof she was aware of his criminality and her not being charged in connection with it proves the police either had no evidence of it or not enough to charge her in my view.

The gifts rather than it being earned is simply because if earnt she would of proved she had worked for it in good faith, whereas gifts obviously arent worked for. To not only go after her for the POCA but also to allow her to be named and shamed like this is very very harsh in my opinion. Yes she was greedy but i think most people in her position would of happily taken huge amounts of cash off someone who they thought or had told them they were rich, in this case a rich mug. ;)

Offline Matium

Apparently, he told the Police that he modelled himself on the Richard Gere character in "Pretty Woman", it was his fantasy to live as a millionaire philanthropist and benefactor of prostitutes - however, he did it all with stolen money and that's where the fantasy ended.

Dawn Dunbar is married to a Nigerian and when she started to live lavishly and ostentatiously from the proceeds of that money, worried neighbours called the Police, they thought she and the Nigerian were both drug dealers.

If it hadn't been for the neighbours then Paul Hopes could well have gotten away with it because Toys R Us were so incompetent that they didn't even realise that the money had gone missing!
« Last Edit: September 18, 2011, 12:39:36 AM by Matium »


Offline Matium

Can he plead insanity ???

No.

:)

He was sentenced to 7 years in 2009 and was told by the Judge that if he hasn't cooperated in recovering all the money by 2015 - then he'll get another 10 years! - so 17 years in total for wanting to be like Richard Gere!

Offline Matium

The last laugh is on Dawn Dunbar and Tanya Wieck though - they both thought they were playing a chump.

They'll suffer the worst and ultimate indignity for a WG, because they've been ordered to give all the money back, that means all that sex was for free!

 :diablo:

Offline Marmalade

Assuming he was capable of making rational decisions . . . "
I have to doubt that given that she's such a minger!!! :lol:

Cheers to Smiths for underlining the legal reasoning - I might feel some sympathy for her were I her legal counsel, but can't agree it's harsh otherwise. Neither do I think she had the ability to spend it wisely or have the faintest clue how to look after it. Was it returned to ToysRus or does old bill get to have a celebration party? 

A more appropriate sentence might be, "she is banned from working as a prossie excep on the streets of Bradford for a week - after that she shall do community service to help prossies drug addicts and, if she ever saves up some money, get a face transplant and a butch lezzie lover."
« Last Edit: September 18, 2011, 07:04:40 PM by Marmalade »

Offline smiths

I have to doubt that given that she's such a minger!!! :lol:

Cheers to Smiths for underlining the legal reasoning - I might feel some sympathy for her were I her legal counsel, but can't agree it's harsh otherwise. Neither do I think she had the ability to spend it wisely or have the faintest clue how to look after it. Was it returned to ToysRus or does old bill get to have a celebration party? 

A more appropriate sentence might be, "she is banned from working as a prossie excep on the streets of Bradford for a week - after that she shall do community service to help prossies drug addicts and, if she ever saves up some money, get a face transplant and a butch lezzie lover."

POCA is split between the Police, CPS and Government i have read, it certainly does in relation to brothels, this may be different though for all i know. ;)
« Last Edit: September 18, 2011, 07:36:27 PM by smiths »

Offline Matium

POCA is split between the Police, CPS and Government i have read which is why allowing brothels to operate and make some cash then raid under POCA makes perfect sense, its a cash machine ready to be emptied when they decide as long as neighbours dont kick up a fuss first. ;)

How have the HoD parlours survived so long then?

Offline smiths

How have the HoD parlours survived so long then?

I edited my post but i assume they survive due to deals with local police, back handers perhaps although i am speculating. Its certainly cheaper for the police to know where brothels are and monitor them rather than have them spring up in different premises the whole time and maybe risk more street prostitution. They are only in existence at the whim of the top cop in that area, if that cop went it could all change immediately.

What i find surprising is why the feminazis dont picket brothels with placards and get the media down more often, i go to brothels so am glad they dont in a widespread way but all they would have to do is pressure the police to obey the law which the police could hardly refuse to do and lobby the local MP in the brothel area, they unless very brave are not going to back a brothel.  The political activist Richard Carvath is working with the neighbours/residents group in Northenden in trying to get a branch of Sandys Superstars closed in the Manchester area.;)
« Last Edit: September 18, 2011, 07:51:11 PM by smiths »

Offline Lurtz

I edited my post but i assume they survive due to deals with local police, back handers perhaps although i am speculating. Its certainly cheaper for the police to know where brothels are and monitor them rather than have them spring up in different premises the whole time and maybe risk more street prostitution. They are only in existence at the whim of the top cop in that area, if that cop went it could all change immediately.

What i find surprising is why the feminazis dont picket brothels with placards and get the media down more often, i go to brothels so am glad they dont in a widespread way but all they would have to do is pressure the police to obey the law which the police could hardly refuse to do and lobby the local MP in the brothel area, they unless very brave are not going to back a brothel.  The political activist Richard Carvath is working with the neighbours/residents group in Northenden in trying to get a branch of Sandys Superstars closed in the Manchester area.;)

Tut, tut, smithy. I imagine the Police would gladly tolerate well-run establishments on their turf which cooperate with the Police, do proper checks of the girls' right to work in this country, provide the escorts with a relatively safe environment, and allow the girls to work in their own way. If good parlours are closed down they could be replaced by undesirable members of the gangland fraternity. I think most of us accept that HoD have helped raise standards in an industry full of sharks. Any speculation about backhanders is unfounded and unfair.


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