Stealthing conviction

[RandomGuy99]

BBC News - Condom-removing Brixton man jailed for 'stealthing' - BBC News
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That should set an example NOT to go removing condoms without your sexual partner's consent.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Indeed, that also counts as Rape that ,that means  prision time !!!

[RandomGuy99]

He did it because he'd not had sex for a long time.  Really? Surely having sex while wearing a condom is still sex?

I think he did it because he's a twat.

Now he's going to have 4 years and 3 months of not having sex.

[dlfetishist]

While I'm not arguing the guy is a dick and a lot of lads think this kind of thing is fine. It feels like over policing when it comes to sex these days. Maybe people should try to be more careful with who they have sex with. Are we going to lock up women who put a pin in the condom before sex? Probably happens far more often than guys taking it off during. Is there an episode of CSI where they're doing the forensics on if the johnny was ruptured leaving a perfect circular opening?

[cunnyhunt]

Now he's going to have 4 years and 3 months of not having sex.

For sure that would depend on whether he’s giving or receiving.

[Stevelondon]

It’s a cunts trick if you ask me. Deserves everything he gets. Twat.

[Blackpool Rock]

While I'm not arguing the guy is a dick and a lot of lads think this kind of thing is fine. It feels like over policing when it comes to sex these days. Maybe people should try to be more careful with who they have sex with. Are we going to lock up women who put a pin in the condom before sex? Probably happens far more often than guys taking it off during. Is there an episode of CSI where they're doing the forensics on if the johnny was ruptured leaving a perfect circular opening?

It's a form of rape 
Do you think rape is OK and do you think rape should be investigated or is that over policing in your book 

Stories of women putting a pin in a condom to get pregnant are irrelevant to this case but interested if you have some sort of facts / figures to back this up, could be a long wait 

Seriously though if you don't think that posting this will draw you a whole load of heat then clearly you don't understand the ethos of the site 

[daviemac]

While I'm not arguing the guy is a dick and a lot of lads think this kind of thing is fine. It feels like over policing when it comes to sex these days. Maybe people should try to be more careful with who they have sex with. Are we going to lock up women who put a pin in the condom before sex? Probably happens far more often than guys taking it off during. Is there an episode of CSI where they're doing the forensics on if the johnny was ruptured leaving a perfect circular opening?

Not sure what planet you're on but 'over policing' rape???  Any sexual offence should be thoroughly investigated and relevant action taken.

[DastardlyDick]

For sure that would depend on whether he’s giving or receiving.

As a Sex Offender, he'll be the lowest of the low in jail - straight into rule 43 isolation for his own safety, unfortunately.

[JontyR]

Are we going to lock up women who put a pin in the condom before sex? Probably happens far more often than guys taking it off during.

I think you are getting into the realms of fantasy here.

Just ask for what purpose would a woman do this?  There is no discernible change in feel. If she wants to get up the duff she'd be better off just "basting" with the contents. As for the risk of transmitting or receiving an STI...?

[dlfetishist]

I think you are getting into the realms of fantasy here.

Just ask for what purpose would a woman do this?  There is no discernible change in feel. If she wants to get up the duff she'd be better off just "basting" with the contents. As for the risk of transmitting or receiving an STI...?

Wives have done this to their own husbands who don't want a child or another one. If you survey a good number of women. They's say it was fine.

As for the basting bit. Most women aren't going to grab the remains of a used condom to put into themselves. As far as I'm aware that's legal to do, but should it be legal for a woman to take your used condom and use the contents to impregnate yourself?

[dlfetishist]

Not sure what planet you're on but 'over policing' rape???  Any sexual offence should be thoroughly investigated and relevant action taken.

Yes, it's rape. But...

How do you prove it beyond a he said she said court case without a man admitting to doing it? Not unless you have CCTV up in the bedroom or you like to invite witnesses in.

A law like this can only be executed from a mindset of guilty until proved innocent.

[dlfetishist]

It's a form of rape 
Do you think rape is OK and do you think rape should be investigated or is that over policing in your book 

Stories of women putting a pin in a condom to get pregnant are irrelevant to this case but interested if you have some sort of facts / figures to back this up, could be a long wait 

Seriously though if you don't think that posting this will draw you a whole load of heat then clearly you don't understand the ethos of the site 

Yes it's rape, but how to you prove in court? Rape is often difficult to prove without a doubt. This law is next to impossible to prove as I stated above because chances are if a man has done it then the sex was already agreed. How are you going to prove both parties didn't agree to remove the condom, how do you prove the man didn't mishear something she said as "take the condom off" and denies the act. You think a man with shady rapey tactics won't lie to police?

I know some of the fellows here aren't too bright but jesus. Anyone with common sense could see this law is ridiculous unless we believe in guilty until proven innocent.

[scutty brown]

Yes it's rape, but how to you prove in court? Rape is often difficult to prove without a doubt. This law is next to impossible to prove..............................

He was found guilty, therefore it WAS proved in court. If it was done once, it can be done again.

[MissWolf]

Yes, it's rape. But...

How do you prove it beyond a he said she said court case without a man admitting to doing it? Not unless you have CCTV up in the bedroom or you like to invite witnesses in.

A law like this can only be executed from a mindset of guilty until proved innocent.

There is no BUT when it comes to rape you knobhead

A significant number of rape cases fail now through lack of proof, intimidation and fear from the victim

You need to give your head a wobble ffs

[puntingking]

strangely, stealthing is not a crime in scotland. 


I blame porn for alot of men thinking this is okish behaviour. Young impressionable men are the most likely that think this behaviour is acceptable.

[RandomGuy99]

strangely, stealthing is not a crime in scotland. 

I blame porn for alot of men thinking this is okish behaviour. Young impressionable men are the most likely that think this behaviour is acceptable.

I've not seen much porn involving stealthing.

I blame men thinking they like "tagging" women by cumming inside them like it's some kind of trophy to claim. They're just twats.

[daviemac]

Yes, it's rape. But...

How do you prove it beyond a he said she said court case without a man admitting to doing it? Not unless you have CCTV up in the bedroom or you like to invite witnesses in.

A law like this can only be executed from a mindset of guilty until proved innocent.

It was proved in court and he was sentenced to 4 years in prison.

Have to say the more you post the more you come across as someone who has the totally wrong idea about this site, people who push boundaries, condone any form of abuse or think rape accusations are over policed have no place on here and you fit at least one of those.

[dlfetishist]

It was proved in court and he was sentenced to 4 years in prison.

Have to say the more you post the more you come across as someone who has the totally wrong idea about this site, people who push boundaries, condone any form of abuse or think rape accusations are over policed have no place on here and you fit at least one of those.

I honestly agree I think this site is the wrong place for me. Not because of anything you said. Because I don't do any of those things and never will. Never needed to, never wanted to. But frankly reading enough of the threads here, you can tell a lot of people justify paying for girls who were probably forced into sex work via trafficking. It does seem a bit rich.

My original point and what I stand by is. I don't believe laws that are next to unenforceable/investigatable are good to implement. While this guy is guilty by text message, a dubious source for evidence. There will be many who get accused of it, something they can't prove their innocents of and their lives get ruined. There's so many examples as well. I hope you and no one else ever gets caught up in such a thing.

Hell just by saying I don't think it's a good law, you've treated me like I'm some rapist 

[Stevelondon]

I honestly agree I think this site is the wrong place for me. Not because of anything you said. Because I don't do any of those things and never will. Never needed to, never wanted to. But frankly reading enough of the threads here, you can tell a lot of people justify paying for girls who were probably forced into sex work via trafficking. It does seem a bit rich.

My original point and what I stand by is. I don't believe laws that are next to unenforceable/investigatable are good to implement. While this guy is guilty by text message, a dubious source for evidence. There will be many who get accused of it, something they can't prove their innocents of and their lives get ruined. There's so many examples as well. I hope you and no one else ever gets caught up in such a thing.

Hell just by saying I don't think it's a good law, you've treated me like I'm some rapist 

When you say ‘But frankly reading through enough of the threads on here. You can tell a lot of people justify paying for girls who were probably forced into sex work via trafficking’


I assume you mean…….. YOU




I would like you to justify that statement please.
Personally I find it extremely offensive.

[daviemac]

I honestly agree I think this site is the wrong place for me. Not because of anything you said. Because I don't do any of those things and never will. Never needed to, never wanted to. But frankly reading enough of the threads here, you can tell a lot of people justify paying for girls who were probably forced into sex work via trafficking. It does seem a bit rich.

My original point and what I stand by is. I don't believe laws that are next to unenforceable/investigatable are good to implement. While this guy is guilty by text message, a dubious source for evidence. There will be many who get accused of it, something they can't prove their innocents of and their lives get ruined. There's so many examples as well. I hope you and no one else ever gets caught up in such a thing.

Hell just by saying I don't think it's a good law, you've treated me like I'm some rapist 

You are the one who said rape accusation were over policed and that is the issue, not whether it's a good law or not.

I don't know if you understand how the legal system works but an accusation is made to the police and if it was done in the North East it would go to the team of Dedicated Liaison Officers who are specially trained in dealing with cases involving sex workers and it would be thoroughly investigated and the evidence put to the CPS who would then decide if firstly it was in the public interest to prosecute and then if there was a reasonable chance of conviction.

In this case it was investigated, evidence gathered and the guy was prosecuted and convicted on that evidence.

It has been made clear to you that undesirables are not welcome here plus it's made very clear that incidents of suspected trafficking should be reported, they are not condoned in any shape or form. The various ways of reporting trafficking etc have been posted many times.

It's even in the rules. -

26 Allegations of underaged /trafficked/forced sex workers
Contact law enforcement.

[chrishornx]

 While this guy is guilty by text message, a dubious source for evidence.

And forensic evidence

[puntingking]

I honestly agree I think this site is the wrong place for me. Not because of anything you said. Because I don't do any of those things and never will. Never needed to, never wanted to. But frankly reading enough of the threads here, you can tell a lot of people justify paying for girls who were probably forced into sex work via trafficking. It does seem a bit rich.

My original point and what I stand by is. I don't believe laws that are next to unenforceable/investigatable are good to implement. While this guy is guilty by text message, a dubious source for evidence. There will be many who get accused of it, something they can't prove their innocents of and their lives get ruined. There's so many examples as well. I hope you and no one else ever gets caught up in such a thing.

Hell just by saying I don't think it's a good law, you've treated me like I'm some rapist 

it is very ignorant of you to assume woman that are involved in sex work are being forced or have been forced in some way. 

[RandomGuy99]

BBC News - 'I didn't know removing condom during sex was rape', says Love Island star
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[DastardlyDick]

I think you are getting into the realms of fantasy here.

Just ask for what purpose would a woman do this?   If she wants to get up the duff she'd be better off just "basting" with the contents.

Most condoms contain a 'spermicide" so I doubt either putting a pin in it or "basting" with the contents would have the desired result. 

[timsussex]

BBC News - 'I didn't know removing condom during sex was rape', says Love Island star
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Is she as thick as her Mascara ?

[DastardlyDick]

Is she as thick as her Mascara ?

I don't think you have to be exactly clever to get on Love Island.