Betting tips

[Bru1901]

Does anyone have any websites that offer professional betting tips or stats to use for systems without charging an arm and a leg

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Looking at this its actually feasible to make big bucks if you stick to a system

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Found here

Ive been making 3 to 5 grand a season betting but i think if i used a system could make ten times that

Ive had 1 losing year in the last 15 years

Got every ucl final correct except psg vs bayern and chelsea with drogba scoring late fucking me over.

Get the big games correct but its the small games i dont have interest in

That spreadsheet has me intreagued that there is info out there

Punting and gambling go hand in hand so lets see if theres others who are similar

[Blackpool Rock]

Hmmm, so i've always been a gambler and in my youth wasted so much money on fruit machines which are basically a fixed game however I did progress onto football betting where I could actually win a decent amount of money rather than whatever the fruit machine jackpot was capped at.
I did bet a little bit on horses however got disillusioned at some of the comments which were always made after the race had finished and i'd watched my horse limp home about how XYZ horse was of course only a stable companion to the winner and really there as a pacemaker, so why not tell people that before the fucking race 

Anyway my main interest in football betting was correct scores as I could get decent (longer) prices so a good return for a small stake and I then moved onto correct score multiples, didn't come in every week but i'd land a 600/1 or 1000/1 accumulator often enough to generally see me make around £2K every season just betting on certain big teams in England and Scotland

Unfortunately all the bookies seemed to review their correct score odds down about 10 years ago and suddenly there was no value in it, I just use the Betfair exchange now but seem to have lost most interest in it these days and prefer to play blackjack and roulette in the casino, i've blocked my online casino accounts as it was far too easy to lose too much money too quickly.

That spreadsheet does look impressive however I notice that all of the odds are very short in the region of 1/4 - 1/3 and I much prefer long odds as I win big for a small stake rather than winning small for a big stake.
My mate bets on horses and likes doing odds on favourites as he wins more often however he never seems to make much profit and has never won big, then it only takes one loss to wipe him out.

The problem with any system is that it still relies on your result needing to come up and all gamblers will at some point have a mega losing streak that simply can't be explained, i've had many that when i've calculated the odds has worked out to be like winning the lottery jackpot 3 or 4 draws in a row, so how the fuck can that happen without me ever actually winning the once jackpot then 

One thing is for sure in that the person selling the subscription to the "Information" is guaranteed to make a profit, a bit like those books from years back on how to make a Million and then it tells you to sell 100K of books at £10 each on how to make a Million 

[Corus Boy]

As has been said.

Any betting system, any method being sold, anyway to beat the odds...

If it was to be invented AND was foolproof the owner or inventor ould be quietly using it and making money rather than selling it.

With casino Blackjack, if certain circumstances arise and with careful betting it is possible to move the odds into your favour and it was possible to make money.  It's called Card Counting, it was used by the inventor and plenty of money was made, UNTIL the casinos recognised what they were doing, and took legal and illegal action.  To use the method effeciently took a team and a computer, the feedback from the computer needed to be hidden but as a Blackjack dealer it was possible to recognise what was happening by the betting patterns.  Legally, you upset their system by making a less deep cut of the shoe, then less cards came into play and then less chance to move the odds, also legally the casino could refuse you admittance or reject your bets.  Illegaly, some nicely dressed 'gentlemen' would convince you that you did'nt want to play. There were people who could perform this in their heads and without electronic help, but once again the betting pattern would expose what was going on.

At this point selling the system would be a money making option.


There were out and out cheating methods to force a win at the tables, but were generally messy and soon it was obvious to an experienced Dealer and table Inspector what was going on.  Driving out to provincial casinos, with less experienced staff worked for short periods of time but...

Casino security was high, CCTV in use, the images and names of characters would be circulated.

Anything involving a third party (an animal) does offer openings, inside knowledge is there but again not usually widely circulate simply because with variable priced, course betting the odds change quickly, so once a 'certain thing' becomes known, money goes on and odds shorten and even a 'certain thing' is not usually certain.

Knowledge of an illegal 'certain thing' will not usually be known and if illegal there will be fall back remedies to organisers and the bookmakers.

There is also the use of information that is in the public domain, but it is having the skill to digest and process in another matter and by no means certain.  It is this sort of information that gets sold with much publicity when it come home but little said about failures.

[RandomGuy99]

Don't

[Bru1901]

Thats whats intreaguing. You dont need high odds

Most are 1.30 or 1.2

Success rate is 70% hit rate needed

Despite this the spreadsheet shows too many low league games which if avoided could start something

[Blackpool Rock]

Regarding casino blackjack card counting is perfectly legal so long as you do it in your head and yes it can over a long run change the odds in the favour of the gambler, using any sort of device to gain an advantage is illegal.

The basic card counting strategy involves betting small until the cards played mean the remaining cards give the player an advantage and then increase the stake.

What has fucked up card counting certainly in many casinos is the automatic card machines where all cards get put back into the machine at the end of every hand and some of them in theory can get dealt in the next set of hands
The old fashioned "Shoe" meant the cards could be counted as spent cards remained out of the game until the marker was reached that meant a new shoe was made.

What fucked me up last time I played was other players not knowing WTF they were doing and taking cards when they shouldn't then not taking when they should, I know sometimes it goes in your favour and sometimes it doesn't but annoying when their poor decisions fuck up what would have been a winning hand and you end up losing instead 

[lewisjones23]

Regarding casino blackjack card counting is perfectly legal so long as you do it in your head and yes it can over a long run change the odds in the favour of the gambler, using any sort of device to gain an advantage is illegal.

The basic card counting strategy involves betting small until the cards played mean the remaining cards give the player an advantage and then increase the stake.

What has fucked up card counting certainly in many casinos is the automatic card machines where all cards get put back into the machine at the end of every hand and some of them in theory can get dealt in the next set of hands
The old fashioned "Shoe" meant the cards could be counted as spent cards remained out of the game until the marker was reached that meant a new shoe was made.

What fucked me up last time I played was other players not knowing WTF they were doing and taking cards when they shouldn't then not taking when they should, I know sometimes it goes in your favour and sometimes it doesn't but annoying when their poor decisions fuck up what would have been a winning hand and you end up losing instead 

There is nothing worse than someone playing cards in the casino who has no idea at all.

I was playing BJ for high stakes, had something like 18 or 19 against dealer 6, whole table played as they should until we got to the dickhead playing £2 min stakes in the last position, split two 9's, obviously hit two face cards to which the dealer then revealed a FC and then hit a 5 👍🏻

That was the last of my casino playing, I can take bad luck on the chin, the turn of a card etc, but I can't take other people's stupidity

[RandomGuy99]

There is nothing worse than someone playing cards in the casino who has no idea at all.

I was playing BJ for high stakes, had something like 18 or 19 against dealer 6, whole table played as they should until we got to the dickhead playing £2 min stakes in the last position, split two 9's, obviously hit two face cards to which the dealer then revealed a FC and then hit a 5 👍🏻

That was the last of my casino playing, I can take bad luck on the chin, the turn of a card etc, but I can't take other people's stupidity

I once saw a guy in a casino in Las Vegas get dealt two aces and he treated them as just 2 cards instead of splitting them into two hands. He lost about $10,000 in 5 minutes and the dealer refused to deal him anymore cards as she knew he didn't know the rules of the game.

[lewisjones23]

I once saw a guy in a casino in Las Vegas get dealt two aces and he treated them as just 2 cards instead of splitting them into two hands. He lost about $10,000 in 5 minutes and the dealer refused to deal him anymore cards as she knew he didn't know the rules of the game.

Surprised the casino stopped him, from what I saw in Vegas, if you were a mug then they made you feel more than welcome

[snaitram99]

Going back to the geegees, Any tips for the Gold Cup?

[jackdaw]

Regarding casino blackjack card counting is perfectly legal so long as you do it in your head and yes it can over a long run change the odds in the favour of the gambler, using any sort of device to gain an advantage is illegal.

The basic card counting strategy involves betting small until the cards played mean the remaining cards give the player an advantage and then increase the stake.

It (card counting in Blackjack) would be impossible in most big well organised casinos nowadays, they just change out the packs too often.

I played lots of bridge decades ago, then drifted into other things. A couple of years ago accidentally “bumped into” a former teammate, who told me he was now playing a ton of online poker, and making decent money at it.

To quote him “anyone who understands the game reasonably well will win…”. I think that was probably an exaggeration (he was a very good card player, so he probably under-estimated difficulty of winning), but probably worth trying for anyone who likes poker.

[puntingking]

Kenny Rogers once said

"You got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done"

[8MillionDollarMan]

There is nothing worse than someone playing cards in the casino who has no idea at all.

I was playing BJ for high stakes, had something like 18 or 19 against dealer 6, whole table played as they should until we got to the dickhead playing £2 min stakes in the last position, split two 9's, obviously hit two face cards to which the dealer then revealed a FC and then hit a 5 👍🏻

That was the last of my casino playing, I can take bad luck on the chin, the turn of a card etc, but I can't take other people's stupidity

If you can't take the last position don't bother playing,your own fault a little bit.

[8MillionDollarMan]

It (card counting in Blackjack) would be impossible in most big well organised casinos nowadays, they just change out the packs too often.

Not sure about that I've been to 365 in Manchester a couple of times when I'm up there and they play with plenty enough cards to count,I had no problem.

[jackdaw]

Not sure about that I've been to 365 in Manchester a couple of times when I'm up there and they play with plenty enough cards to count,I had no problem.

Not sure what you mean by “enough cards to count”.

If the casino is..for example…using an automatic shuffling machine to shuffle cards after each deal, no card counting strategy can give you much of an edge. Or another way they can negate card counting is by putting a lot of decks in the card dispenser (commonly used to be 8decks) , then when last card comes out, replace with another set of decks.

Then…of course…all really successful casino gamblers are relatively soon identified, and if need be barred.

No doubt I should have said “super difficult” rather than impossible…some people have prodigious mental facilities with high levels of creativity. But I guess anyone that can do it nowadays will be able to earn wads of money by less difficult means.

[8MillionDollarMan]

Not sure what you mean by “enough cards to count”.

If the casino is..for example…using an automatic shuffling machine to shuffle cards after each deal, no card counting strategy can give you much of an edge. Or another way they can negate card counting is by putting a lot of decks in the card dispenser (commonly used to be 8decks) , then when last card comes out, replace with another set of decks.



Then…of course…all really successful casino gamblers are relatively soon identified, and if need be barred.

No doubt I should have said “super difficult” rather than impossible…some people have prodigious mental facilities with high levels of creativity. But I guess anyone that can do it nowadays will be able to earn wads of money by less difficult means.

I don't really agree with your first points,average card counts are average card counts the more decks used the better for me and my peers,how they are shuffled makes no difference.
I'd agree you get booted soon enough (I used to) having said that it was when you had to be a casino member so were easier to identify and indeed for numbers people there are easier ways to make money.

[Blackpool Rock]

There is nothing worse than someone playing cards in the casino who has no idea at all.

I was playing BJ for high stakes, had something like 18 or 19 against dealer 6, whole table played as they should until we got to the dickhead playing £2 min stakes in the last position, split two 9's, obviously hit two face cards to which the dealer then revealed a FC and then hit a 5 👍🏻

That was the last of my casino playing, I can take bad luck on the chin, the turn of a card etc, but I can't take other people's stupidity

The "perfect" strategy actually says to split 9's against a dealers 6

My last gripe when I played was the stupid bitch next to me who changed £20 and lost it in a few hands playing like a twat then just as I thought good she's out she changed another £20 and a couple more hands in she stood on a soft 16 FFS 
You guessed it the next card out which I was forced to take was shit but the one after would have improved my hand, the way it panned out is that i'd have won on both boxes as the dealer would have bust so the whole table would have won but ended up losing when the dealer made 20 

She was playing the table minimum whereas I had about £200 spread over the last 2 boxes so it cost me £400

Always spot the fuckwits as they think they are playing pontoon so keep asking if they can "Burn" on 13 and can't understand when the dealer still beats them and they have a 5 card trick 

[jackdaw]

I don't really agree with your first points,average card counts are average card counts the more decks used the better for me and my peers,how they are shuffled makes no difference.
I'd agree you get booted soon enough (I used to) having said that it was when you had to be a casino member so were easier to identify and indeed for numbers people there are easier ways to make money.

Yes..I see you’re right…about the more decks the better. Practically all my card play was bridge play, where card counting effectively meant memorising the exact cards that had been played in each hand.

Looking at YouTube Blackjack strategies I guess a lot of players card counting just keep running totals to keep track of whether more high cards or low cards have gone, increasing bets if a high proportion of high cards are left to be played? (And that frequent random re-deals is what weakens most counting strategies.)

[Blackpool Rock]

I don't really agree with your first points,average card counts are average card counts the more decks used the better for me and my peers,how they are shuffled makes no difference.
I'd agree you get booted soon enough (I used to) having said that it was when you had to be a casino member so were easier to identify and indeed for numbers people there are easier ways to make money.

There are newish rules in place, can't remember exactly when it came in but "safeguarding" rules to stop people losing (or winning) too much.
Basically people betting who aren't casino members are limited to how much they can win or lose in a day, think it's about £1400 from memory.

I have recently seen the casino stop taking any more money / bets from someone and then there was a conversation about "You were explained the rules when you came in" etc

I've had to provide proof of earnings etc etc for online accounts, it got so that i was having to give more info every month which was just a real PITA so I just fucked them off.
About 10 or 12 years ago I placed £600 one day on a football match and they e-mailed me to say as a relatively new customer my betting patterns were "Suspect" and I needed to prove XYZ to stop money laundering etc otherwise I couldn't make any more bets and any existing bets would be "voided" unless I provided the info within 24 hours

My bet lost so I didn't bother sending the info and they refunded the £600, fucking result or what, back of the net   

[jackdaw]

My bet lost so I didn't bother sending the info and they refunded the £600, fucking result or what, back of the net   

Sweet!

If you rely on them always doing that, riches would abound...supply the info if you win, decline to when you lose.

[anonymouse72]

I use Soccerstats for football bets and focus on both teams to score. It also provides great info on those team who score or concede late for in-play betting. I usually do trebles or will pick 5 games at the max and perm into 4 folds. A bit of research can pay dividends.

[HighlyMotivated]

Sometimes I'll see a "sure thing" like Man City v Sheffield United and think why don't I put 20k on this and make a near-guaranteed 6k (for example)? Obviously don't have the balls to go through with it though

[8MillionDollarMan]

Looking at YouTube Blackjack strategies I guess a lot of players card counting just keep running totals to keep track of whether more high cards or low cards have gone, increasing bets if a high proportion of high cards are left to be played? (And that frequent random re-deals is what weakens most counting strategies.)

Yes but there are other mathematical averages in a deck of cards which not just the high cards.
As far as betting is concerned I hate to shatter any illusions but nobody has made a fortune let alone a quick one out of hunches it's all statistical analysis,apart from inside information on horses which is hard to come by.
For example for my tennis betting program I inputted the stats from 25000 tennis matches before I even started using it and nobody will sell you useful information,anyone in the know keeps it for themselves.

[8MillionDollarMan]

Sometimes I'll see a "sure thing" like Man City v Sheffield United and think why don't I put 20k on this and make a near-guaranteed 6k (for example)? Obviously don't have the balls to go through with it though

A quick way to the poor house if you did.

[MissWolf]

Sometimes I'll see a "sure thing" like Man City v Sheffield United and think why don't I put 20k on this and make a near-guaranteed 6k (for example)? Obviously don't have the balls to go through with it though

Nothing is ever a sure thing, that's why it's called gambling

[puntingking]

Nothing is ever a sure thing, that's why it's called gambling

I was brought up thinking that gambling is a mugs game. Now that I am an adult I could not agree more with that.

This is what guys who enjoy gambling do-

1, place a bet.
2, loose.
3, place another bet.
4, win
5, place another bet.
6, win
7, place another bet
8, win
9, place another bet, thinking they are on a winning streak.
10, lose it all.

[Squire Haggard]

I dont bet. This would put me off if I did.

''Coates built Bet365 into one of the biggest online gambling companies from her father Peter’s Stoke-on-Trent bookmaking business. It has propelled her, her father and her brother, John, into the ranks of the UK’s richest people, with a combined fortune of £8.6bn according to the Sunday Times Rich List, which featured her on the cover of the latest edition.''

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[MissWolf]

I was brought up thinking that gambling is a mugs game. Now that I am an adult I could not agree more with that.

This is what guys who enjoy gambling do-

1, place a bet.
2, loose.
3, place another bet.
4, win
5, place another bet.
6, win
7, place another bet
8, win
9, place another bet, thinking they are on a winning streak.
10, lose it all.

I was brought up around the dog tracks in London, we had a racing kennels, my parents were trainers, so I literally grew up around betting and gambling.
My father was a betting man and in later years that was horses for him, he had a separate betting account,  he put his annual budget of £500 into it in January,  he betted with that throughout the year and whatever was in it the week before Xmas was shared between the 6 grandchildren,  some years they got £50 each others they had 2k, he never added more if he was loosing.
As A child I along with my sisters were allowed 3 bets a year, the grand national,  the gold Cup and the Derby, we were allowed 50p each way, I once won the Derby aged 8, I was ecstatic my horse at something like 50 to 1 stormed in, I was gutted I had to share my winnings 
I remember being given £1 to play a slot machine, I won a jackpot, I ran to dad to show him, he took the lot off me and returned my steak to continue playing with, I lost that very quickly and was not allowed to play with my winnings, my dad told me to quit while up because you can never beat machine.
His rule was always to only put on what you are willing to lose, he wasn't a stupid man.

[Thephoenix]

As with any vices such as punting or alcohol, gambling can be a good servant but a bad master.

I follow the advice of my late Uncle Albert:
Never expect to win, and don't gamble more than you can afford to lose.

[willie loman]

Sometimes I'll see a "sure thing" like Man City v Sheffield United and think why don't I put 20k on this and make a near-guaranteed 6k (for example)? Obviously don't have the balls to go through with it though

France v italy at the weekend was 1to 100, for france, i was tempted to put 100 on, out of principal to "tax the bookie", it ended a draw.

[willie loman]

I dont bet. This would put me off if I did.

''Coates built Bet365 into one of the biggest online gambling companies from her father Peter’s Stoke-on-Trent bookmaking business. It has propelled her, her father and her brother, John, into the ranks of the UK’s richest people, with a combined fortune of £8.6bn according to the Sunday Times Rich List, which featured her on the cover of the latest edition.''

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most gamblers do indeed lose, but it appears that 80& of the bookies profit comes from1% of the customers, or something like that, so for the majority its an amusing hobby. Besides nothing to stop any of us buying shares in the bookies, if it was such a sure bet?

[Blackpool Rock]

Nothing is ever a sure thing, that's why it's called gambling

Or in horse racing parlance "A racing certainty" 

[Blackpool Rock]

France v italy at the weekend was 1to 100, for france, i was tempted to put 100 on, out of principal to "tax the bookie", it ended a draw.

As i've posted above I do like a long shot so often bet against a "Sure thing" which is easy to do these days with the betting exchanges

[anonymouse72]

Nothing is ever a sure thing, that's why it's called gambling

Not strictly true. There is arbitrage betting where you bet on a win or lose scenario but with different bookies. It involves having accounts with pretty much all of them and some very slim margins. It takes some research and big outlays for a decent profit but people do still do it. Nice if you have the time and a large betting bank.

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[jackdaw]

I was brought up thinking that gambling is a mugs game. Now that I am an adult I could not agree more with that.

This is what guys who enjoy gambling do-

1, place a bet.
2, loose.
3, place another bet.
4, win
5, place another bet.
6, win
7, place another bet
8, win
9, place another bet, thinking they are on a winning streak.
10, lose it all.

Or as the old joke has it: “Let me explain what putting a tenner on England at 12 to 1, to win the World Cup means. It means you lose a tenner”.)

As 8milliondollarman has explained there are ways you can nudge the odds in your favour and give yourself a chance of winning systemically (but no easy systematic wins…you need lots of talent and hard work), or you can get lucky. But much, much easier to lose.

[Blackpool Rock]

Not strictly true. There is arbitrage betting where you bet on a win or lose scenario but with different bookies. It involves having accounts with pretty much all of them and some very slim margins. It takes some research and big outlays for a decent profit but people do still do it. Nice if you have the time and a large betting bank.

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OK so I don't sit looking for arbitrage all the time however I used to compare odds between different bookies on football matches that i was interested in and used the oddschecker website to help with this

Only once have I ever found a match where betting on all outcomes (only 3 on the footy match) would have provided a profit, seem to recall it was only between 1-2% and the odds had moved 30 minutes later, one was a bookie and the other was betfair exchange so their 2% commission on winnings also needed to be factored in

[jackdaw]

 

OK so I don't sit looking for arbitrage all the time however I used to compare odds between different bookies on football matches that i was interested in and used the oddschecker website to help with this

Only once have I ever found a match where betting on all outcomes (only 3 on the footy match) would have provided a profit, seem to recall it was only between 1-2% and the odds had moved 30 minutes later, one was a bookie and the other was betfair exchange so their 2% commission on winnings also needed to be factored in

The only reasonable way for people like me (who know naff all about gambling strategies, no inside knowledge) is to take all the free introductory bets you can...either put half on outcome, half on other outcome, then cash in. Or simply put the lot on a favourite, hope it wins, if it does cash in immediately. If it loses..no loss.

A couple of mates did that a few years ago, and made a couple of grand...but there were a lot of introductory offers around, not sure if thats true anymore.

The other thing to try (knowing you suspect you might do this) is to bet AGAINST England at football, cricket or rugby. We always overestimate our chances of winning, money piles in to England win bets, and accordings odds shorten for England, and lengthen for opponents, and betting on opponent can become a good value bet.

In days gone by used that approach a bit, on basis of England win happy anyway, if not got a bit of extra money to soften the blow.

[anonymouse72]

OK so I don't sit looking for arbitrage all the time however I used to compare odds between different bookies on football matches that i was interested in and used the oddschecker website to help with this

Only once have I ever found a match where betting on all outcomes (only 3 on the footy match) would have provided a profit, seem to recall it was only between 1-2% and the odds had moved 30 minutes later, one was a bookie and the other was betfair exchange so their 2% commission on winnings also needed to be factored in

I remember reading about arbing on a Betfair thread ages ago. Seemed like a lot of effort for such small margins and then as you say there's commissions too. Way out of my league but Tennis seemed to be a popular sport for it. I used to lay the draw on a football match on the exchanges pre-match and then back the draw at higher odds when the first goal went in. You can lay off it it remains goalless. Again it means spending a couple of hours in front of a screen which I can rarely do. It does work though. Backing late goals in play has been profitable lately too especially with longer injury times. Soccerstats breaks down into 15 minutes segments a teams scoring history too. There is info out there to give you an edge. It just needs time, research and patients. Not always easy these days

[Stevelondon]

I gamble occasionally.
I treat is the same way I treat punting.

It’s enjoyable and I never spend more than I can’t afford to lose. 😂

[8MillionDollarMan]

OK so I don't sit looking for arbitrage all the time however I used to compare odds between different bookies on football matches that i was interested in and used the oddschecker website to help with this

Only once have I ever found a match where betting on all outcomes (only 3 on the footy match) would have provided a profit, seem to recall it was only between 1-2% and the odds had moved 30 minutes later, one was a bookie and the other was betfair exchange so their 2% commission on winnings also needed to be factored in

The golden age of arbitrage was 25-10 years ago it is not feasible on any decent scale these days for various reasons,I mean there are plenty of arbs around but it's chicken feed now compared to how it used to be.

[8MillionDollarMan]

I remember reading about arbing on a Betfair thread ages ago. Seemed like a lot of effort for such small margins and then as you say there's commissions too. Way out of my league but Tennis seemed to be a popular sport for it.

No arber would use Betfair because of the commission unless you think your exchange bet would lose which of course it wouldn't.
Top sports for arbitrage were football,tennis,basketball US and European,NFL and boring baseball,you could arb any sport although the nags weren't worth the effort.
Arbing requires a very large bank as you have to turnover huge amounts at a low % return,I use to be around 2% but it is guaranteed profit unlike betting or trading.

[anonymouse72]

No arber would use Betfair because of the commission unless you think your exchange bet would lose which of course it wouldn't.
Top sports for arbitrage were football,tennis,basketball US and European,NFL and boring baseball,you could arb any sport although the nags weren't worth the effort.
Arbing requires a very large bank as you have to turnover huge amounts at a low % return,I use to be around 2% but it is guaranteed profit unlike betting or trading.

I didn't say they used Betfair. I said I was reading about Arbing on a Betfair thread, on their chat forum. Too much hassle and an insufficient betting bank for me sadly so not something I will indulge in.

[Iamforreal]

I find betting dangerous, I know people who lost everything and look at Paul Merson, apparently in lockdown he lost a house deposit 

[Blackpool Rock]

I find betting dangerous, I know people who lost everything and look at Paul Merson, apparently in lockdown he lost a house deposit 

It can be extremely dangerous for some people whereas for others they can simply place a few quid and that's it done

Not sure if you saw the documentary recently with Paul Merson but it was a good albeit painful watch, he said that over the years he's been addicted to alcohol; cocaine and gambling however gambling was by far the hardest addiction to quit (for him)

Some people have what they call "An addictive personality" and I don't mean people just seem to like them but they can't have 1 drink they have to finish the bottle or pass out in the process, I had a mate like this and that's what he was told at some talk therapy, he was both an alcoholic and a gambling addict, he was 57 when the drink finally killed him

Fortunately for me with alcohol I can take it or leave it and know when i've had enough, the same wasn't true for gambling and at times I was really reckless how I gambled although it's under control for the last few years since I self excluded from the online casinos

[8MillionDollarMan]

I didn't say they used Betfair. I said I was reading about Arbing on a Betfair thread, on their chat forum. Too much hassle and an insufficient betting bank for me sadly so not something I will indulge in.

Well you mentioned commissions which means using Betfair basically or possibly Betdaq but that's a bit shit.

[Iamforreal]

It can be extremely dangerous for some people whereas for others they can simply place a few quid and that's it done

Not sure if you saw the documentary recently with Paul Merson but it was a good albeit painful watch, he said that over the years he's been addicted to alcohol; cocaine and gambling however gambling was by far the hardest addiction to quit (for him)

Some people have what they call "An addictive personality" and I don't mean people just seem to like them but they can't have 1 drink they have to finish the bottle or pass out in the process, I had a mate like this and that's what he was told at some talk therapy, he was both an alcoholic and a gambling addict, he was 57 when the drink finally killed him

Fortunately for me with alcohol I can take it or leave it and know when i've had enough, the same wasn't true for gambling and at times I was really reckless how I gambled although it's under control for the last few years since I self excluded from the online casinos

Haven't seen the documentary, but I have seen some of his interviews talking about it, fair play to him, not easy to open up about these things, he looks in a better place now, I hope he is, fair play to you also for excluding yourself from online casinos, a friend of mine almost lost everything and went into debt due to betting, he just couldn't stop, we all have our addictions I suppose, I used to play poker many years ago, didn't lose a fortune, but I had some bad nights, gave up alcohol long time ago due to my health, I really don't miss it to be honest.

[Blackpool Rock]

Haven't seen the documentary, but I have seen some of his interviews talking about it, fair play to him, not easy to open up about these things, he looks in a better place now, I hope he is, fair play to you also for excluding yourself from online casinos, a friend of mine almost lost everything and went into debt due to betting, he just couldn't stop, we all have our addictions I suppose, I used to play poker many years ago, didn't lose a fortune, but I had some bad nights, gave up alcohol long time ago due to my health, I really don't miss it to be honest.

It's on the BBC iplayer, football; gambling and me, worth a watch

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[billybob69]

most gamblers do indeed lose, but it appears that 80& of the bookies profit comes from1% of the customers, or something like that, so for the majority its an amusing hobby. Besides nothing to stop any of us buying shares in the bookies, if it was such a sure bet?

Never heard that before. Have you got a source for that info?

There was a series on the BBC quite a few years ago regarding gambling. The one episode was on a 'professional gambler' and it showed him being showered with hospitality by a betting firm because he was a 'valued customer'. I couldn't square that circle in my mind; if he was a good enough at placing bets that he could make a living out of it (therefore he was 'winning' against the bookmakers) why would a betting firm want him as a customer.

[ik8133]

Does anyone have any websites that offer professional betting tips or stats to use for systems without charging an arm and a leg

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Looking at this its actually feasible to make big bucks if you stick to a system

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Found here

Ive been making 3 to 5 grand a season betting but i think if i used a system could make ten times that

Ive had 1 losing year in the last 15 years

Got every ucl final correct except psg vs bayern and chelsea with drogba scoring late fucking me over.

Get the big games correct but its the small games i dont have interest in

That spreadsheet has me intreagued that there is info out there

Punting and gambling go hand in hand so lets see if theres others who are similar

Top Tips - The Football Tipster is on Facebook and its free, they do £30 to £1k.  You start £30 with and roll it on to £1000 using their tips on a certain bookie that they recommend.  Never really done it myself as I'm not a fan of football and you kind of have to put in the time following the games.   

[JontyR]

Anyone play the Sky Sports Super 6?

Free competition where you guess the results of six matches. If you guess all 6 you win 250K sometimes more. YOu get two points for getting the correct outcome, and five for the correct scoreline.

ITs basically a vehicle to try and get you to bet with Sky and possibly subscribe to the games too.

Far from encuraging me to bet, it actually has had the opposite as it shows just how random some results can be. I know its giving a small pool of fixtures but just guessing all six outcomes is tricky enough.