When good WG's go bad

[Sir Lance-a-lot]

We've all heard cases of scammers pretending to be escorts and then either absconding with a punter's money, or setting a pet thug onto the punter to extract money with the threat of violence.

But there also seem to be quite a few cases of genuine escorts (with good feedback from multiple punters) who suddenly have some sort of massive brain-fart and decide to randomly rob someone. And then their reputation crashes in flames, and presumably their incomes are never as good as they once were. And even if they're offered the chance to repair the damage, repay the stolen money, and blame it on "temporary insanity" or whatever - they won't do it.

Why??? It doesn't make any sense!

In a few cases, it might have started as a genuine misunderstanding, but then why wouldn't they make a genuine effort to sort it out, rather than just trying to threaten UKP and the punter?

Is it because they don't understand the value of money anymore - a sort of "why would anyone get so upset over a measly £150" attitude? Or have they become so accustomed to adulation that they've become prima-donnas: "that nasty man was rude to me, how dare he call me a common thief"?

Sometimes I think I can do a better job of getting inside the mind of an al-Qaida terrorist than that of a thieving pro$$ie.

[Flunt]

Everything about this business is risk and reward. A pro$$ie does a runner with a punter's cash and hopes she can get away with it. I wonder what percentage of punters and pro$$ies read forums. It may be that she has done it previously and no one has reported it.

[cockneybstrd]

Without trying to generalise too much

Your often dealing with people with mental health and drug issue's in the cases of thievery

[hendrix]

In my case, several years ago, an excellent regular got a new boyfriend who persuaded her that it was a good idea to steal 180 quid from me rather than carry on earning at that rate on a regular basis. I think he really needed the drugs that day.

[StPunt]

it must have always been in them though, just well hidden. i dont think they just turned bad over night, the wgs you mention were more than likely always tempted, they just eventually succumbed.

It is amazing though the ones who were obviously genuine because of previous good feedback and then ruin it all by robbing a punter, i think it just shows a complete inability on the girl's part to look beyond living in the moment. staggering!

[vt]

It's like killing the goose that lays the golden egg! Greed that can't wait.

[Sir Lance-a-lot]

What's especially baffling about this is that they typically only end up stealing the money that the punter was about to pay out anyhow.  So they get out of having sex with him (easy to see why that might appeal to a non-WG scammer,  but more puzzling if it's an experienced WG), but they can't actually profit from the theft unless they've double-booked and can see punter 2 in the timeslot that punter 1 has paid for.

Maybe being able to rip off a client is some sort of thrill for them?

[StPunt]

and most are old enough to know better too, the one that did it to me was pushing 40. drugs must be involved in the majority of these cases. can you think of a sane explanation?

[Dani]

Thing is most of the thieves know that even if they do rob someone it doesn't affect their business as 1. the fluffies will always believe her side of it and 2. It is only a tiny percentage of punters who read forums so hardly anyone knows what they have done so they can carry on doing it

They are quite easy to spot as they suddenly close a profile with lots of feedback and open another one and blame AW by saying AW deleted them for writing the wrong thing (they do this but if you promise to not do it again they give your profile back).
There is no need to keep getting new profiles as if it is just because you fancy a change you would just change your working name and keep all the good feedback.  I have seen quite a few girls change profiles every couple of months and then disappear for a while then back with a new profile and everytime they get bad feedback for stealing they close it down, wait a couple of weeks and get another one.  By keeping some regulars who they don't steal from they build up good feedback again waiting for an easy target to steal from

In this sort of job they know it is too hard to prove that they stole from you as if you call the police you have to tell them you handed the money over and they then tell you it is not a police matter but a civil matter so they know they won get into trouble for it

[StPunt]

i see your point dani but i think negative reviews on here affects them maybe a tad more than you think because they do seem to go out of their way to demand the posts are removed, some resort to making threats judging by what ive read over in the reviews section.

i also see what you mean about them making a few regs trust them, who they dont steal from but once again it proves my point about these particular women not using logic in their thinking. they'd make far more money if they went straight and provided the service they offer rather than steal from punters who might have become loyal regulars. Backs up my theory that they are are only capable of living in the moment which is what beings with limited intelligence do e.g dogs.

[Sir Lance-a-lot]

Update: as this is now public knowledge, I'd like to add the strange case of External Link/Members Only, the Bristol-based escort who swindled a client out of £900 - advance payment on a series of bookings which she then mysteriously refused to deliver.  Previous threads on this incident:

Ripped off:  a cautionary tale

Bristol/sw recommendations please


In this case, thanks to her victim's detailed account, we can narrow down when she lost the plot, even though we still don't really know why.  She once liked this guy enough to offer him 20 freebies after the debt was worked off, and even on what turned out to be his last meeting in September 2013, she promised to "reserve Fridays for him".  She then turned him down in mid-October for a believable reason, but at least she was still communicating at that point.  Then when he tried to reschedule for Friday November 1st, she cut him off, refused to answer his messages, and refused to see him again.  So she seems to have suffered one of these mysterious brain-farts towards the end of October 2013.

And then, as seems to happen in these cases, she refused to back down.  Two months later she broke her silence to accuse him of being a "stalker" because of his desperate attempts to contact her, but it took another three months for her to provide a flimsy justification for dumping him - his use of the "L-word" in what was obviously a moment of weakness (she had previously led him to believe that she was dying of lung cancer).  But that still didn't explain her refusal to answer any of his messages for so long, nor did it justify her theft of his money.  For that, she had to pretend that the money had been "a gift", and then the four meetings that he actually managed to get had been "acts of charity" rather than bookings he had paid for!  And then she tried to blackmail him into keeping quiet by threatening to wreck his family.

In this case, actual mental illness might have been a factor, she had been suffering from a mystery illness that was suspected to be cancer at the time - though not lung cancer, and it didn't stop her taking bookings from others.  But, yet again, what might have been a brief lapse then became a reputation-shattering disaster because of the WG's refusal to back down, admit a fuck-up, and just fix the problem.

This still seems to be completely nuts to me.

[StPunt]

there is no mystery here, it happens in all walks of life. you pay some people up front before they do the job and they lose all motivation to do it. A friend of mine once paid his brother who was a builder thousands in advance to gut a house for him and once he had the money he just could not face turning up to do the job because there was no motivation, he already had all the motivation he needed to do the opposite and it was sat in his bank account... the result, two brothers that will never talk again because of money...well money and a lack of morals from the builder in this case. funnily enough i was once mates with the builder in question and years before he screwed his own brother over i was sat in a pub with him and i remember him telling me that he cringes if anyone pays him up front because he knows he will lose all motivation to do the job and will end up screwing them over.

....dont pay in advance the kind of money that the above client paid to the said wg, it will end in tears.

[bensonhedges20]

Some working girls try to do stuff like that on thebsecond booking.

They would rather you pay for a holiday, an ipad, phone etc than purchase it themselves

I mean if they charge letc say 100 p/h they can make an iPhone in a days work.

What I will never understand is why working girls feel the need to.splash all the cash they earn and not save.

They would never get this kind of money in caring/nursing/receptionist etc. The bills come and they panic as they have overspent and can't budget as they don't understand that business might be flying one day but could easily be dead the next.

[bensonhedges20]

there is no mystery here, it happens in all walks of life. you pay some people up front before they do the job and they lose all motivation to do it. A friend of mine once paid his brother who was a builder thousands in advance to gut a house for him and once he had the money he just could not face turning up to do the job because there was no motivation, he already had all the motivation he needed to do the opposite and it was sat in his bank account... the result, two brothers that will never talk again because of money...well money and a lack of morals from the builder in this case. funnily enough i was once mates with the builder in question and years before he screwed his own brother over i was sat in a pub with him and i remember him telling me that he cringes if anyone pays him up front because he knows he will lose all motivation to do the job and will end up screwing them over.

....dont pay in advance the kind of money that the above client paid to the said wg, it will end in tears.

It's never about motivation - it's a case of the punter being an.easy mark.

[StPunt]

It's never about motivation - it's a case of the punter being an.easy mark.

i disagree with you, how would you explain the wg's that destroy squeaky clean reputations built up over several years for a few hundred quid? its a combination of 3 things, 1. lack of motivation to see the guy as they already have the reason for seeing him in the bank, 2 inability to look to tomorrow/think ahead...seemed a good idea on monday to screw said punter over but wonder why their phone doesnt ring as often by friday and 3, they've already spent the poor mugs money on shoes, they cant now give him what she perceives as 'freebies' (which of course its not) as she has to pay the bills.  Solution - block him delete him forget he ever existed. Thats the great thing about ukp, a forum to warn others about these dodgy characters

[smiths]

Update: as this is now public knowledge, I'd like to add the strange case of External Link/Members Only, the Bristol-based escort who swindled a client out of £900 - advance payment on a series of bookings which she then mysteriously refused to deliver.  Previous threads on this incident:

Ripped off:  a cautionary tale

Bristol/sw recommendations please


In this case, thanks to her victim's detailed account, we can narrow down when she lost the plot, even though we still don't really know why.  She once liked this guy enough to offer him 20 freebies after the debt was worked off, and even on what turned out to be his last meeting in September 2013, she promised to "reserve Fridays for him".  She then turned him down in mid-October for a believable reason, but at least she was still communicating at that point.  Then when he tried to reschedule for Friday November 1st, she cut him off, refused to answer his messages, and refused to see him again.  So she seems to have suffered one of these mysterious brain-farts towards the end of October 2013.

And then, as seems to happen in these cases, she refused to back down.  Two months later she broke her silence to accuse him of being a "stalker" because of his desperate attempts to contact her, but it took another three months for her to provide a flimsy justification for dumping him - his use of the "L-word" in what was obviously a moment of weakness (she had previously led him to believe that she was dying of lung cancer).  But that still didn't explain her refusal to answer any of his messages for so long, nor did it justify her theft of his money.  For that, she had to pretend that the money had been "a gift", and then the four meetings that he actually managed to get had been "acts of charity" rather than bookings he had paid for!  And then she tried to blackmail him into keeping quiet by threatening to wreck his family.

In this case, actual mental illness might have been a factor, she had been suffering from a mystery illness that was suspected to be cancer at the time - though not lung cancer, and it didn't stop her taking bookings from others.  But, yet again, what might have been a brief lapse then became a reputation-shattering disaster because of the WG's refusal to back down, admit a fuck-up, and just fix the problem.

This still seems to be completely nuts to me.

Yes the stalker accusation seems to be becoming the norm now, such lying WGs should be ashamed of themselves.

NEVER pay a WG in advance of the day, its a punting basic to me, AND NEVER give a WG your real name etc as then all they have on you is a phone number which if its a punting phone is easily changed and your description, not enough to blackmail with. The problem of course are punters who view punting as dating and want to make friends or more so happily divulge their real details. A potientially disastrous decision that COULD fuck their lives up all because of a fuck.

[bensonhedges20]

i disagree with you, how would you explain the wg's that destroy squeaky clean reputations built up over several years for a few hundred quid? its a combination of 3 things, 1. lack of motivation to see the guy as they already have the reason for seeing him in the bank, 2 inability to look to tomorrow/think ahead...seemed a good idea on monday to screw said punter over but wonder why their phone doesnt ring as often by friday and 3, they've already spent the poor mugs money on shoes, they cant now give him what she perceives as 'freebies' (which of course its not) as she has to pay the bills.  Solution - block him delete him forget he ever existed. Thats the great thing about ukp, a forum to warn others about these dodgy characters

most punters use aw or phone for the booking and any further bookings are mainly completed by text or phone which plays into their hands

I have been asked to pay for xxx and xyz but there's zero chance of you ever hearing back from the person. I have never had a girl arrive and do a runner to her driver etc but if a girl is being frisky you can tell from first meet.

Most girls don't care much for.forums. One negative out of 100 plays into their hands as they just say the person had EAS or was stalking them. Most profiles never have any negatives and I find it odd. If I was to check feedback on Aw which I never do its impossible to maintain 100% in this line of business.

I have had and listened to the horror stories from working girls and it has never been mentioned in her feedback. Surely if they bailed as they felt at risk or unease they would get a negative - they never do. People think too much with their disks nd not with their heads
there's a perceived notion that the Wg in question may change her.mind and see you again which is why the system.system plays into the girls hands.

Secondly, in the Offchance she has screwed someone on a forum she will just text some fluffies and regulars who will gang up on the victim

[SamLP]

Thankfully never been in a situation like the ones mentioned, although met a few who after a few meets got too comfortable and delivered a below par punt so I haven't returned. There was also WG I used to see often, she was cheap and a good punt and I had arranged to see her. She had moved into a new location but sent the wrong details. So after 20 minutes of calling and texting with her unable to guide me to the right place, she eventually stopped replying so I left. Another 15 minutes later she called me and when I told her I had left because I waited for ages without her replying with the correct details she immediately disconnected the call. Suffice to say she never got any business from me again.