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Offline Dickled

There seems to be an increased media attention to mens prostate problems at the moment due to King Charles being admitted into hospital to have treatment for an enlarged prostate.
As someone over 70, I must admit I sometimes have to get up to pee in the middle of the night, much more than I used to when I was younger.
That said, most of my friends and male contemporaries seem to have the same problem.
One of my pals takes Tamsulosin and finds it helps a lot, so may discuss its use with one of my docs and see if they recommend it.
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Offline RandomGuy99

It's just part of the aging process.

You should be getting a PSA blood test annually to spot any issues early.

Offline Dickled

It's just part of the aging process.

You should be getting a PSA blood test annually to spot any issues early.
I'm sure there is much sense in what you recommend.
But I'm mindful of this article I read some time ago. It's from 10 years ago, so things may have changed a lot since then, but the guy writing it is/was an oncologist, so I'm guessing it has to be taken seriously.
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Offline RandomGuy99

I'm sure there is much sense in what you recommend.
But I'm mindful of this article I read some time ago. It's from 10 years ago, so things may have changed a lot since then, but the guy writing it is/was an oncologist, so I'm guessing it has to be taken seriously.
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I had a prostate cancer scare.

Finger up the bed test - found something

I got put on the 2 week fast track cancer pathway.

I had PSA blood test - elevated

I had MRI it found something

I had bladder cancer camera check - negative

I had prostate biopsy where they fill you with antibiotics and then fire 12 needles into your prostate to gather samples which they send off for analysis - no cancer

I now have 6 monthly PSA blood tests - they can be affected by all kinds of things so you have to avstain from sex for a few days before the test, no heavy exercise, etc. otherwise it will give an elevated reading.  So far all good with my reading being at the bottom of the normal range for my age. They're still monitoring me, which is annoying but best to be on the safe side.

When I was having the biopsy I got talk to some of the other men having the procedure. Some had incredibly high PSA levels. Some had relatives who had died of it. It was pretty scary.

I don't think I have cancer.  Hopefully, they'll eventually agree with me.

Best to safe than sorry.

The blood tests don't hurt. The biopsy wasn't very painful either and recovery is fine except for blood in your semen for a few weeks and then you're back to normal. 

If people are worried about it then best to get checked out. It could be nothing or it could be something and the sooner they treat you the better.
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Offline mr.bluesky

There seems to be an increased media attention to mens prostate problems at the moment due to King Charles being admitted into hospital to have treatment for an enlarged prostate.
As someone over 70, I must admit I sometimes have to get up to pee in the middle of the night, much more than I used to when I was younger.
That said, most of my friends and male contemporaries seem to have the same problem.
One of my pals takes Tamsulosin and finds it helps a lot, so may discuss its use with one of my docs and see if they recommend it.
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I bet he didn't have to go on the NHS waiting list to be seen .

Offline JontyR

I'm sure there is much sense in what you recommend.
But I'm mindful of this article I read some time ago. It's from 10 years ago, so things may have changed a lot since then, but the guy writing it is/was an oncologist, so I'm guessing it has to be taken seriously.
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But he is only one oncologist out of 1000's.

I do remember Dr Michael Moseley doing a programme on prostate cancer. He revealed a quite heart breaking story about his Dad (or other relative). He was foudn to have prostate cancer and had some pretty invasive surgery as a result. The consequences to his quality of life were significant. His Father then passed away 6 months later due to an unrelated condition. With hindsight he said that he would have been better off not having the operation.

He then detailed a number of men who were found to have cancer in their prostate but it was relatively stable and they had chosen not to have any surgery or treatment at that time. The men concerned detailed that they felt very fortunate as they were receiving consistent and active monitoring and that they would have required treatment when it became necessary.

It was certainly food for thought, but I wouldn't heistate to take any testing for any condition if it were available.

Offline Jonestown

As someone over 70, I must admit I sometimes have to get up to pee in the middle of the night, much more than I used to when I was younger.

Go along to your GP and tell them you have decided to take KCIII's advice and can you have a PSA test and also a Digital Rectal Inspection (DRI), which is a more revealing check than a one off PSA, well so my (lady) GP told me.

Offline Dickled

Taken from the Times.......



Giiven that men are notoriously backwards at coming forwards with problems below the belt, health campaigners have welcomed the King’s decision to share that he will undergo a corrective procedure for a benign enlarged prostate next week. Visits to NHS online advice reportedly jumped 1,000 per cent in the wake of Buckingham Palace’s statement that Charles, 75, is being treated for the condition “in common with thousands of men each year”. Here’s what you need to know.

What are the most common prostate problems?
The prostate is a small gland that forms part of the male reproductive system, located under the bladder. The three most common prostate problems are inflammation (prostatitis), benign prostate enlargement (BPE) and prostate cancer. One does not lead to another, so having prostatitis or an enlarged prostate does not increase your risk of prostate cancer, but it is also possible for you to have more than one of these conditions at the same time.

According to Ben Challacombe, consultant urologist at The Prostate Centre, part of HCA Healthcare UK. the key is not to delay seeking help. “Men are less good at coming forward than women,” he says. Early intervention can postpone the need for further, more invasive treatment for some years.

Are they more likely with age?
Although the exact cause isn’t known, prostate enlargement is a very common condition associated with ageing, and believed to be linked to hormonal changes. Typically around the size of a walnut, the prostate can grow to three times that size, surrounding and pressing upon the urethra, the tube through which urine leaves the bladder. BPE affects some 50 per cent of men over the age of 50, jumping to 70 per cent of men over 60 and about 80 per cent of men over 70.

Besides age, “a genetic link, such as your father suffering from the condition, raises the likelihood of developing it yourself,” says Dr Jeff Foster, a GP and men’s health specialist.

What are the symptoms to watch for?
So-called “urinary emergencies” are common signs of an enlarged prostate, Challacombe says. These include “not having enough time to get to the loo before the urine starts coming; going quite quickly; or getting up at night more than just once”.

The Urology Foundation estimates that up to three million men in the UK have lower urinary tract symptoms associated with BPE. Mild symptoms are most likely to begin in your forties, Foster says. “These include hesitating before you pee; finding that your flow is so poor that you’re not able to empty properly; dribbling afterwards or finding that because you’re not emptying properly you’re having to go back again five minutes later.” There may also be greater likelihood of urinary tract infections, or urinary retention, when “you can’t pee at all because the prostate has got so large and the flow is obstructed”.

How can I get checked?
If you’re experiencing symptoms, the first port of call is to contact your GP, says Meg Burgess, a specialist nurse at Prostate Cancer UK, who advises “keeping a bladder diary for a few days” to show your doctor.

A urine sample may be taken to check for infection and a digital rectal examination (DRE) will likely follow, she says, in which “the doctor uses a gloved, lubricated finger in the back passage to feel the prostate, which sits on the other side of the rectal wall. This gives an idea of its size.”

They may also suggest a blood test to check your levels of prostate specific antigen (PSA), a protein produced by the prostate. High levels could indicate benign enlargement, infection or cancer. PSA tests are free on the NHS for over-50s; if you are under 50 and symptom-free but concerned, you would need to get a PSA test done privately.

If your GP refers you to a urologist, you may be asked to undergo a flow rate test, which measures the speed of your urine passing through a funnel, to ascertain the bladder’s ability to empty.

Can lifestyle changes help my prostate health?
Some simple lifestyle changes can help to relieve symptoms of BPE. Challacombe advises “increasing [consumption of] clear fluids, decreasing caffeinated and fizzy drinks, restricting fluids in the evening so you don’t get up [to pee] as much, and keeping the bowels loose”, as constipation can put pressure on the bladder. The NHS website also advises upping your intake of fibre (found in vegetables, fruit and wholegrain cereals) and avoiding artificial sweeteners, which can irritate the bladder and make urinary symptoms worse.

How are problems treated?
The “vast majority” of men experiencing urinary symptoms will be diagnosed with BPE, says Challacombe, for which there are two principle medical treatments if lifestyle changes don’t help. First are alpha blockers (such as tamsulosin and alfuzosin), which “work very quickly to relax the prostate, but they don’t change the size of it”. If these are insufficient to relieve symptoms, “prostate shrinkers (finasteride and dutasteride) gradually shrink the prostate, but can affect levels of testosterone, so are often used in older men”.

When is surgery necessary?
If medication doesn’t work, surgery to improve symptoms and relieve obstructions may be advised. Previously the most common was transurethral resection of the prostate (TURP), which Foster describes as “a quite aggressive procedure that almost corkscrews through the prostate” in order to ease urinary flow. Side effects include bleeding, infection and short-term incontinence.

Happily, Foster says, the past five or ten years have produced a range of new procedures “that are game-changers for prostate conditions”. The first is a GreenLight laser: a minimally invasive laser treatment to remove the part of the gland causing BPE. There is also water vapour treatment, in which a probe uses steam to remove prostate tissue, effectively “killing a layer of cells”. The UroLift system, meanwhile, “involves getting two little metal prongs either side [of the prostate], which hoik the prostate up away from the urethra”. The absence of scalpels significantly lowers the risk of infection, as well as minimising time patients need to spend in hospital.

How worried should you be?
“It’s important to stress that prostate enlargement is a different condition to prostate cancer,” Burgess says. “It isn’t caused by cancer, and it doesn’t increase the risk of cancer.”

• Prostate cancer and me: ‘The doctor wouldn’t look me in the eye’

However, just as the risk of BPE rises in men over 50, prostate cancer does too, and can occur without symptoms. Besides age, the other main risk factors for prostate cancer are race — black men have double the risk of prostate cancer and develop it younger, according to Prostate Cancer UK — and a history of prostate cancer in the family. If you are concerned, visit prostatecanceruk.org/risk-checker for a 30-second online risk assessment, and see your GP.

Offline scutty brown

One thing I will say is if you need an operation, get it done before senility kicks in.
Years ago I had an overnight stay in hospital after a nose operation, and the only spare bed was in a male surgical ward where all the patients were over 80 and in for prostate ops. Most of them were showing signs of senility/dementia.
With only one nurse on night duty I ended up most of the night chasing the blokes around the ward as some repeatedly tried to get out of bed, look for their clothes and go home - despite being fitted with drips and catheters. Two I had to pick up off the floor after they tripped over their catheter bags, one of them ripping the catheter out. One was calling all night for me to take him home (he thought I was his son), another was repeatedly asking for someone - anyone - to call the police and free him from being kidnapped.
Literally a madhouse - a sad, undignified madhouse full of blokes who couldn't understand why they were in a strange building, or why they had tubes coming out of their cocks.
Yes it's an old mans disease, but the sooner it is diagnosed the sooner something can be done. FFS don't leave it until you're too old to understand what is happening.

Offline Thephoenix

It's important to get it checked by GP who will refer to urologist if appropriate.
Also look out for sediment or tiny stones in the urine which may indicate bladder stones or debris, which can occur over time if bladder isn't fully emptying.

If ignored it can cause damage to the bladder and also the kidneys.

They are often first noticed on MRI scan and then confirmed with a flexible camera inserted with local anaesthetic.
Removal is by way of a rigid tube incorporating a crusher, and vacuum device in my case performed under local anaesthetic.

Usually medication such as tamsulosin &/or finastaride are prescribed before invasive options are considered.
Both these medications have side effects which should be discussed with your GP/urologist.