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Author Topic: Things that make this industry unique  (Read 5014 times)

Offline NIK

I can think of two things that are unique to the paid sex business.

As indicated in the other thread it is one of the few industries where there is little correlation between prices and services.
Despite what people say in most other areas you do get what you pay for and the more expensive something is the better made, better quality it almost certainly will be. There are exceptions of course. For example I think there is little difference between supermarket's own  food brands and the famous labels.
However if you're spending £50000 on a new car you'd expect it to be better quality than if you were spending £5000. And it usually will be (hopefully!)

Another area where it is unique is that providers can display and get away with displaying racist attitudes by refusing to see particular ethnic groups. If this was any other service industry they'd soon be up before the thought police and have their collars felt.
I wonder if it ever was made properly legal and regulated would service providers be prohibited from displaying racist attitudes as they are in every other service?

Of course there is always the argument that as it is such an intimate service then a woman (justifiably) has the right to refuse the service to anyone she wants. Of course a shopkeerper in theory has the same right, but somehow I don't think they would get away with refusing to serve a customer simply because of the colour of the customer's skin!

A third thing I've just thought of is you get no legal protection if you are a victim of bait and switch. In any other area if what you are sold has been misrepresented you can get a refund.
Anybody think of any other areas that are unique to this business?

Offline philboi

I can think of two things that are unique to the paid sex business.

As indicated in the other thread it is one of the few industries where there is little correlation between prices and services.
Despite what people say in most other areas you do get what you pay for and the more expensive something is the better made, better quality it almost certainly will be. There are exceptions of course. For example I think there is little difference between supermarket's own  food brands and the famous labels.
However if you're spending £50000 on a new car you'd expect it to be better quality than if you were spending £5000. And it usually will be (hopefully!)

Another area where it is unique is that providers can display and get away with displaying racist attitudes by refusing to see particular ethnic groups. If this was any other service industry they'd soon be up before the thought police and have their collars felt.
I wonder if it ever was made properly legal and regulated would service providers be prohibited from displaying racist attitudes as they are in every other service?

Of course there is always the argument that as it is such an intimate service then a woman (justifiably) has the right to refuse the service to anyone she wants. Of course a shopkeerper in theory has the same right, but somehow I don't think they would get away with refusing to serve a customer simply because of the colour of the customer's skin!

A third thing I've just thought of is you get no legal protection if you are a victim of bait and switch. In any other area if what you are sold has been misrepresented you can get a refund.
Anybody think of any other areas that are unique to this business?

Not much seems to have changed in nearly 3 years!

Firstly, value for money....
I think it can be said that some girls who charge £100 per hour give a better service than some charging £200 per hour!
How do girls charging £200 per hour justify the price? Indeed, why do punters pay it?

Secondly Racist....
Yes there are still many profiles stating they will not see black people.
A WG is in the business of offering her body as a service, it's her choice.
Yet there's no other business where someone offering a service can discriminate between races and not offer the same service to all..
Why do ethnic groups not step in to stop this practice?

Thirdly, Legal....
Throughout the whole of this business the punter really has no rights whatsoever if cheated in any way as a customer!
It's a fact though that in any other circumstances the customer has all the rights in the world and the law is on their side.
How does prostitution avoid the laws?

As was asked by NIK at the end of his opening post...

Are there other things that make this industry unique?

I'm sure someone can add one or two more!!


Online Jimmyredcab


How do girls charging £200 per hour justify the price?


Answer -------------- they don't have to justify it.

One of NIK's favourite girls of all time charges £200 an hour and from what I gather she has no shortage of takers, why on earth would she want to charge less.  ?????????

Offline philboi

Answer -------------- they don't have to justify it.

One of NIK's favourite girls of all time charges £200 an hour and from what I gather she has no shortage of takers, why on earth would she want to charge less.  ?????????

Absolutely correct, why should they charge less!
Perhaps it's not worded as well as I'd like..

However if you're spending £50000 on a new car you'd expect it to be better quality than if you were spending £5000. And it usually will be (hopefully!)

The point is, what better quality - of service - does a £200 per hour girl offer over a £100 per hour girl?

If I offered an hours booking with each, could you tell which was which with 100% accuracy?
I know I could between a £50,000 and a £5,000 car!!

Offline Lz-129


Secondly Racist....
Yes there are still many profiles stating they will not see black people.
A WG is in the business of offering her body as a service, it's her choice.
Yet there's no other business where someone offering a service can discriminate between races and not offer the same service to all..
Why do ethnic groups not step in to stop this practice?

Exactly, its her choice, she has a right to choose who she sees,
If you don't like her for that reason then don't see her
Some say they won't see old people or young folk, rightly or wrongly you gotta respect her right to choose who she sees
Tbh I've only seen one or 2 profiles that mention this but there are probably loads

Offline philboi

Exactly, its her choice, she has a right to choose who she sees,
If you don't like her for that reason then don't see her

I think you miss the point..

As in, it's her choice to offer the service of prostitution.

When any other business offers a service they can't discriminate between races.
Why should a WG?

And it's not a question of not liking her for that reason, it's a point of principle!

If say Tescos said they were no longer going to serve certain ethnic groups, do you think people would say "Ohh well, I don't like them anymore for that even though I'm not in one of the ethnic groups they won't serve"

I think not, there would be an outcry!!

« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 08:07:42 PM by philboi »

Offline potato

How about,


Its one of the few industries that does not have a government or private regulatory body -  I have not heard of "OFFPRO" or "OFFSLAG" for instance.

Its one of the few industries where there isn't a recognised professional qualification - a degree in fucking, for instance or a "Fellow of the Royal Association of Cock Suckers"  ("FRACS" - can't think of one for "FUCKS" at the moment  :) )

Its one of the few industries where the workers can continue to receive "government subsidies" (ie benefits) whilst working.

And industry where you cannot take someone to court for failure to honour a verbal or written contract.

One where they do not have to provide you with a VAT Receipt and can ignore the VAT Threshold.

Oh, and one there is no national chain of stores!
« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 08:20:33 PM by ellwoodpdowd »

Offline smiths

I can think of two things that are unique to the paid sex business.

As indicated in the other thread it is one of the few industries where there is little correlation between prices and services.
Despite what people say in most other areas you do get what you pay for and the more expensive something is the better made, better quality it almost certainly will be. There are exceptions of course. For example I think there is little difference between supermarket's own  food brands and the famous labels.
However if you're spending £50000 on a new car you'd expect it to be better quality than if you were spending £5000. And it usually will be (hopefully!)

Another area where it is unique is that providers can display and get away with displaying racist attitudes by refusing to see particular ethnic groups. If this was any other service industry they'd soon be up before the thought police and have their collars felt.
I wonder if it ever was made properly legal and regulated would service providers be prohibited from displaying racist attitudes as they are in every other service?

Of course there is always the argument that as it is such an intimate service then a woman (justifiably) has the right to refuse the service to anyone she wants. Of course a shopkeerper in theory has the same right, but somehow I don't think they would get away with refusing to serve a customer simply because of the colour of the customer's skin!

A third thing I've just thought of is you get no legal protection if you are a victim of bait and switch. In any other area if what you are sold has been misrepresented you can get a refund.
Anybody think of any other areas that are unique to this business?

If all off-street prostitution in all its forms was legal and regulated firstly no doubt it would cost the punter more because anything the government gets its claws into always ends up costing more.

The blatant advertising of some WGs that says no blacks or asians for example welcome would be outlawed i would imagine. But and its a big but you cant make a WG punt with someone she chooses not to, and i cant imagine our society ever passing such legislation, we arent barbarians, free choice is essential to have.

Punting is very much looked down upon by society in general, through the medias agenda and that of the antis, meaning for many punters being discovered being a punter could have drastic consequences to his whole life. Not many other pastimes i can think of have that sort of risk, different to having a dangerous pastime where its unlikely your family will disown you.

Not unique but certainly  not the norm is that a WG, even one not too smart can earn good money by average earnings standards almost immediately because she is willing to sell sex. She can bypass years of training that others do and earn from day one. By the way this isnt a dig, in fact i find it smart, i am prepared to pay for sex and a WG knows this so provides the means for me to do this and makes a good living. If smart they can be sorted for the rest of their lives as i know as fact a number of ex-WGs are.

Again not unique but not the norm is that a brothel is already illegal yet the police who definitely know where any advertised brothel is make a conscious decision not to uphold the law in many areas by closing them down, at least immediately. This discretion is an interesting feature of prostitution in my view. It shows there are laws and there are ways the police choose in any given area to uphold them as far as prostitution is concerned.

Offline Lz-129

Tescos don't serve more than 2 school kids!

Back to seriousness, you can't force anyone to see someone who they feel uncomfortable with, be it black or white or any other race, its just up to them
Agreed the sex industry seems to be unique but the very fact that no one is kicking up a stink means either no one cares or no one wants to get involved with the sex industry

On the flip side, when we look at a profile we have all the choice in the world, we can decide not to see a girl cos she's to old or too fat or too ginger

Ill agree its maybe not correct but ill not worry about it

Offline smiths

How about,


Its one of the few industries that does not have a government or private regulatory body -  I have not heard of "OFFPRO" or "OFFSLAG" for instance.

Its one of the few industries where there isn't a recognised professional qualification - a degree in fucking, for instance or a "Fellow of the Royal Association of Cock Suckers"  ("FRACS" - can't think of one for "FUCKS" at the moment  :) )

Its one of the few industries where the workers can continue to receive "government subsidies" (ie benefits) whilst working.

And industry where you cannot take someone to court for failure to honour a verbal or written contract.

One where they do not have to provide you with a VAT Receipt and can ignore the VAT Threshold.

Oh, and one there is no national chain of stores!

On your regulator point of course your right. What a regulator does falls to us on punting forums in a smaller way. For example the SP HOD gets many punters from punting forums and gets valuable free publicity off them, but at the price of minute scrutiny and the knowledge that offering bad service could lead to negative feedback which could lead to less punters.

I hope this role becomes bigger as more punters join, we shall see.

Offline smiths

Tescos don't serve more than 2 school kids!

Back to seriousness, you can't force anyone to see someone who they feel uncomfortable with, be it black or white or any other race, its just up to them
Agreed the sex industry seems to be unique but the very fact that no one is kicking up a stink means either no one cares or no one wants to get involved with the sex industry

On the flip side, when we look at a profile we have all the choice in the world, we can decide not to see a girl cos she's to old or too fat or too ginger

Ill agree its maybe not correct but ill not worry about it

I completely agree, as i posted in my first post on this thread we arent barbarians. Forcing a WG to punt with a punter against her free will would be state sanctioned sexual assault or rape. The state would of taken her consent away, that will never happen in our society and certainly not if we ever wish to continue being seen as a country that abhors regimes like in Syria. We would have sunk to their level of brutality if WGs were forced.

As i posted i imagine blatant advertising excluding a race or races would be banned and made illegal with penalties imposed but a WG would presumably just say i dont wish to punt with such and such punter and that would be it.

Offline philboi

I completely agree, as i posted in my first post on this thread we arent barbarians. Forcing a WG to punt with a punter against her free will would be state sanctioned sexual assault or rape. The state would of taken her consent away, that will never happen in our society and certainly not if we ever wish to continue being seen as a country that abhors regimes like in Syria. We would have sunk to their level of brutality if WGs were forced.

As i posted i imagine blatant advertising excluding a race or races would be banned and made illegal with penalties imposed but a WG would presumably just say i dont wish to punt with such and such punter and that would be it.

I can see what you're saying but I'm viewing it from the law point of view and not how a WG might view it.

The discrimination laws were brought in to stop people offering a service to one and not another.

A WG chooses to go into a business where guys pay for a service, namely to have sex with her. Therefore how can she justify not seeing someone just because of their race?
She is offering a service and surely as the law stands, she should offer the same service to everyone and anyone prepared to pay regardless of race..

« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 08:58:12 PM by philboi »

Again not unique but not the norm is that a brothel is already illegal yet the police who definitely know where any advertised brothel is make a conscious decision not to uphold the law in many areas by closing them down, at least immediately. This discretion is an interesting feature of prostitution in my view. It shows there are laws and there are ways the police choose in any given area to uphold them as far as prostitution is concerned.

Could that have something to with off-duty policemen of all ranks punting in Parlours?

Offline ncarter

Agree with you Philboi, but then there are ways around it like when the punter turns up, the girl refusing to see them for any reason. Whilst if brothels were legal, ironically this would be harder to enforce, I suspect Indies would have a harder time turning away a client without issues.

Offline smiths

I can see what you're saying but I'm viewing it from the law point of view and not how a WG might view it.

The discrimination laws were brought in to stop people offering a service to one and not another.

A WG chooses to go into a business where guys pay for a service, namely to have sex with her. Therefore how can she justify not seeing someone just because of their race?
She is offering a service and surely as the law stands, she should offer the same service to everyone and anyone prepared to pay regardless of race..

 I clearly posted things from the point of view of our standing as a country in the world, not just a WGs view point.

If you really believe a law would be passed to make a WG against her free choice punt with a punter she doesnt want to, you have no understanding of our society. Our governments wish to be known as ones that give people free choice as its a so called democracy. We would be torn apart by other countries let alone the feminist lobby and countless other people.

Why not write to the race ralations board and ask them why WGs arent prosecuted for their racism at present. A WG has her free choice to refuse a punter she doesnt wish to punt with be that for racist reasons or not.

So would you prefer to see WGs legally made to punt against their free will with any punter, and the state backing that up with legal action against as WG if she refuses? I assume that would stop WGs being able to give a racist reason for a refusal, but what if a punter was known to her as being violent or very smelly, would she still be forced to punt with them?

Offline Kram

How about,


Its one of the few industries that does not have a government or private regulatory body -  I have not heard of "OFFPRO" or "OFFSLAG" for instance.

Its one of the few industries where there isn't a recognised professional qualification - a degree in fucking, for instance or a "Fellow of the Royal Association of Cock Suckers"  ("FRACS" - can't think of one for "FUCKS" at the moment  :) )

Its one of the few industries where the workers can continue to receive "government subsidies" (ie benefits) whilst working.

And industry where you cannot take someone to court for failure to honour a verbal or written contract.

One where they do not have to provide you with a VAT Receipt and can ignore the VAT Threshold.

Oh, and one there is no national chain of stores!


Intersting tidbit FUCK is an acronym for

Fornication  under consent of the king

Offline Lz-129


Intersting tidbit FUCK is an acronym for

Fornication  under consent of the king


Well that's a few decades out of date then!


Another area where it is unique is that providers can display and get away with displaying racist attitudes by refusing to see particular ethnic groups. If this was any other service industry they'd soon be up before the thought police and have their collars felt.

You are right there Nik. However I don't blame anyone, if they have had an appalling experience with a particular group of people on several occasions (and particularly in this business which involves close contact and intimacy) to express a preference not to see them. WGs are in it for the money and it takes a lot for them to turn down an earning opportunity. They obviously state this for a reason and its nothing to do with colour of skin, I'm guessing its,to do with standards of behaviour and/or the persons willingness to pay after the service.

Offline philboi

I clearly posted things from the point of view of our standing as a country in the world, not just a WGs view point.

If you really believe a law would be passed to make a WG against her free choice punt with a punter she doesnt want to, you have no understanding of our society. Our governments wish to be known as ones that give people free choice as its a so called democracy. We would be torn apart by other countries let alone the feminist lobby and countless other people.

Why not write to the race ralations board and ask them why WGs arent prosecuted for their racism at present. A WG has her free choice to refuse a punter she doesnt wish to punt with be that for racist reasons or not.

So would you prefer to see WGs legally made to punt against their free will with any punter, and the state backing that up with legal action against as WG if she refuses? I assume that would stop WGs being able to give a racist reason for a refusal, but what if a punter was known to her as being violent or very smelly, would she still be forced to punt with them?

As NIK's title says:
"Things that make this industry unique"

I'm not giving my personal views about anything so please don't assume such. I'm exploring the topic.

This industry is unique as NIK says:
Quote
Another area where it is unique is that providers can display and get away with displaying racist attitudes by refusing to see particular ethnic groups. If this was any other service industry they'd soon be up before the thought police and have their collars felt.

You say "Our governments wish to be known as ones that give people free choice as its a so called democracy"

Yet all other businesses, apart from a prostitutes business, have no choice at all with regard to serving anyone of a different ethnic group. Where did their 'free choice' go?

It's an intriguing subject as I think you'll agree?
« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 10:20:07 PM by philboi »

Offline smiths

As NIK's title says:
"Things that make this industry unique"

I'm not giving my personal views about anything so please don't assume such. I'm exploring the topic.

This industry is unique as NIK says:
You say "Our governments wish to be known as ones that give people free choice as its a so called democracy"

Yet all other businesses, apart from a prostitutes business, have no choice at all with regard to serving anyone of a different ethnic group. Where did their 'free choice' go?

It's an intriguing subject as I think you'll agree?

Not giving your personal views about anything, thats up to you of course, but thats one reason i am on here myself. And choosing not to answer my questions asked i see, which are at the crux of the point i am making.

They do have a choice, they just cant make it clear they are a racist. People discriminate all the time in reality, because they have free choice to do so. They just give another reason other than being a racist which they know would get them into bother.

Its the difference between what the law says and how some people choose to behave. A poster on a forum i read posted he doesnt do business anymore with Asians as they haggle and then dont pay up when agreed. I daresay he doesnt tell them that though.

Yes a very interesting subject.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 10:48:14 PM by smiths »

Offline philboi

I assume that would stop WGs being able to give a racist reason for a refusal, but what if a punter was known to her as being violent or very smelly, would she still be forced to punt with them?

It's stupidity to think anyone would be forced to serve anyone who was violent or smelly.

Airlines refuse to let some passengers fly for similar reasons, but they can't by law stop anyone from flying just because of the colour of their skin.

However a WG is able to discriminate and not serve someone solely on the colour of their skin!!!!

Certainly a unique business.

Offline philboi

Not giving your personal views about anything, thats up to you of course, but thats one reason i am on here myself. And choosing not to answer my questions asked i see, which are at the crux of the point i am making.

They do have a choice, they just cant make it clear they are a racist. People discriminate all the time in reality, because they have free choice to do so. They just give another reason other than being a racist which they know would get them into bother.

Its the difference between what the law says and how some people choose to behave. A poster on a forum i read posted he doesnt do business anymore with Asians as they haggle and then dont pay up when agreed. I daresay he doesnt tell them that though.

Yes a very interesting subject.

Ok, my personal views are very similar to yours.
Because or the personal nature of being a WG, it must sometimes be a difficult call to say no to someone because of their ethnic background.
May have nothing to do with being racist but when they're going to allow a complete stranger to have sex with them, albeit paid for sex, it's a completely different matter...
You are right, it's their choice..

As you say, some have problems and they get around them in different ways without possibly giving the real reason.
We should never be forced to do anything we don't want to do and hopefully that will never be the case :)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 11:08:14 PM by philboi »

Offline smiths

It's stupidity to think anyone would be forced to serve anyone who was violent or smelly.

Airlines refuse to let some passengers fly for similar reasons, but they can't by law stop anyone from flying just because of the colour of their skin.

However a WG is able to discriminate and not serve someone solely on the colour of their skin!!!!

Certainly a unique business.

Thanks for answering my question. So there would likely be valid reasons in any legislation to allow WGs to refuse if a punter was violent or smelly then as examples. It wouldnt be a blanket they must see ANY punter.

 What if the punter wasnt really smelly but the WG said he was, how is either side going to seek the proof needed that the other is lying i wonder. It could easily be a one-on-one punt with no witnesses.

Yes by law in regulated entities they cant refuse on race grounds i obviously agree, but that doesnt mean they dont refuse or turn down business from races they dont like, they just dont tell them that, thats the point i am making.

Punting is of course unregulated so thats why WGs can even put no blacks welcome or whatever race on their profiles. If it was regulated they would just refuse on other grounds in my view.

Anyway the sad reality is its more likely if Labour get back in that Harriet Harridan will pursue her agenda of criminalising all punters than there being regulation or legalisation. Even this bunch arent likely to regulate or legalise in my opinion if they get back in, or the Tories on their own.

Offline smiths

Ok, my personal views are very similar to yours.
Because or the personal nature of being a WG, it must sometimes be a difficult call to say no to someone because of their ethnic background.
May have nothing to do with being racist but when they're going to allow a complete stranger to have sex with them, albeit paid for sex, it's a completely different matter...
You are right, it's their choice..

As you say, some have problems and they get around them in different ways without possibly giving the real reason.
We should never be forced to do anything we don't want to do and hopefully that will never be the case :)

Right thanks for this, we could of saved ourselves a few posts here, but i dont mind, some good points made all round i think.

Offline olefogey

I think a third, sort-of-unique, thing might be the low correlation between demand and price. There was a thread somewhere ( oh horror- it may have been on the other site!) which  described how quoted prices had remained pretty stable over the last 5 years or so despite a downturn in trade. The implication being that the trade in general preferred to see a reduction in volume rather than a reduction in nominal prices. If true, that is pretty unusual in a commercial environment ( though you can sometimes see a similar phenomenon in the housing market).


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