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Offline punk

where to start..

might be better to work backwards.

got home yesterday.  hit play on the answering machine at home.  my home landline number.  An escort from Adultwork.  she knew my name, my address, and obviously my number.  I didn't hear the whole message I hit delete as my other half walked in the room.  She heard a bit of it, which has been bad enough

the background:
I'd messaged an escort on AW a week ago.  I'd fancied indulging my submissive side for once.  She had all the boxes ticked - fetish, role play, discipline etc etc.  I sent her a message, nothing wild or wierd, run of the mill, strict aunty/teacher/nanny/naughty boy type stuff

Had several messages back from her, very aggresive, how dare I ask for such a thing, what gives me the right to send a message outlining something I'd like for a meet, she has never been so offended etc etc.  After the first message, I apologised profusley and politely.  pointed out all the ticked boxes, apologised again, obviously I'd misinterpreted etc

obviously that wasn't good enough.  more irate messages, she'd reported me to AW, posted on the service providers forum on there etc, asked AW for my details etc etc

so.  the bottom line...  AW must have given them out.  the only way they could get any of that is from Credit card history.  you sign up with an email address only.  I've never even spoke to her.  If I had she would at best have a mobile number

As you can imagine.  I didn't sleep much last night.  major paranoia now.  more phone calls?  she gonna turn up at the house??

WTF!! ADULTWORK GAVE OUT PERSONAL DETAILS!!!

The consequences of this for me, and for everyone else I guess are fucking catastrophic

terrified if I stick her profile address up, it's gonna make matters worse.  She's not some daft young kid either.  She's a mature woman

anyone got any advice, thoughts here?

hope you were not using an android smartphone with all your details on it? Google accounts etc, geo-postion on? to conduct your request to her etc, cant see AW giving you up, unless they have a contact there to pass on personal info for a price,though i would not trust a site that is an outlet for pimps. it depends if your phone or an account has business details, that you have used or links to further details, which would allow data mining software to be used, but it seems a lot of effort.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2014, 02:15:07 pm by punk »

Offline Jimmyredcab

cant see AW giving you up, unless they have a contact there to pass on personal info for a price,though i would not trust a site that is an outlet for pimps.

Surely that could be said about EVERY site that accepts prostitute advertising.   :unknown: :unknown:

fredpunter

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thats the whole facts as I have them.  contacting a previous punt from AW is a possibility, but I've changed phones (well sims) this year, as I do every year or so.  Never given my surname to any of them either.  I do also struggle to imagine AW would give a fuck sufficiently to give out my details.

And I was hoping there's be someone who can see the other side of the fence as it were to see what she has spouted/posted, and who might have responded. 

Still get my head around the implications.  convincing my other half maybe we should change phone numbers to get 'rid of sales' calls

been googling the email address I use to see if it pops up anywhere and racking my brains to think where else I have used it.  A lesson there to change throwaway email addresses regularly as well I guess

Ringing her crossed my mind, but is that likely to improve matters?

It would be good to find anyone that is one the other side that could have a looksie to see what she may have posted.  anyone  on good terms with any girls that might oblige?  or tried to register as a service provider to get access??

hardly fucking slept last night because of this

you haven't yet told us who she is or whether she has lots of feedback from other people .........

Offline punk

Surely that could be said about EVERY site that accepts prostitute advertising.   :unknown: :unknown:

true but it amazes me for example when people get scammed by prossies/ pimps and it comes as a shock to them, just because it on the web from  x company provider by x website name providing a 3rd party service,means that its safe. I am sure that 70% of prossies are there to make good ££ and thats it, but there is x amount out there who are looking to black mail / scam etc, joe blogg punter.

ATMIV

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Very confusing issue. I can't see how you get landline numbers from credit card details.
I don't know about IT but what information can be revealed from an IP address?
AW obviously have access to this as they display aliases if an individual has more than one profile.
Could a rouge AW employee be using this data to scam?
Don't know just a thought.

miyagi

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This is truly a terrible situation...what you need to do and do now is put her AW link on here, why you ask?
So other members of the forum don't fall into the same situation at the end of the day unless you tell us here who she is we can't put her into the 'Hall of Shame' and 'One to Avoid' - so go ahead tell us who she is, she's not going to know your AW and Forum name are linked anyway...so tell us who she is

1. How much feedback do you have on your AW account, she could have contacted one of the wgs you have seen by just looking at your profile, which would then mean a wg has given out your details.

2. When you have subscribed to private galleries on AW - did you use your real credit card to make the payment (thats HOW Aw link you, how they get your REAL name, address....etc) - what we all need to do is use a VCC if we want to subsribe to a wgs private gallery!!!  By using a VCC (which you can have in any name, you remain anonymous, even when making payment on AW)

3. Make sure your email address is throw away

4. Make sure your mobile punting numb is throw away - go get a cheap paygo sim (not in your name), get a 077 number or have a look here External Link/Members Only

5. Make sure you have 'user accounts' on your pc for each AW account you have (your linked by your IP and cookies) AW place cookies on your account, so if you login into 2 AW accounts on the same 'user account' on your pc with the same IP you are automatically linked - the wgs see your linked accounts

If you want to know more lmk

Offline Steve2


No offense intended to the OP but My Bullshit and total bollocks sensor has just had a meltdown


Offline pianodave

AW also fingerprint your browser (almost all browsers are actually unique in some way), so you need to use different ones for different accounts.

They are pretty good at linking actually, browser fingerprinting is quite an extreme measure.

You can test your browser here:

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miyagi

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Lets give the OP the benefit of the doubt...we need to see this wgs AW link on here, if the OP can't do that then it could be as you say below :yahoo:

No offense intended to the OP but My Bullshit and total bollocks sensor has just had a meltdown

Offline Jimmyredcab

true but it amazes me for example when people get scammed by prossies/ pimps and it comes as a shock to them, just because it on the web from  x company provider by x website name providing a 3rd party service,means that its safe. I am sure that 70% of prossies are there to make good ££ and thats it, but there is x amount out there who are looking to black mail / scam etc, joe blogg punter.

A tiny, tiny percentage.
The two major scams are bait and switch and private gallery scams, blackmail is very rare.    :hi:

Offline Dani

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thats the whole facts as I have them.  contacting a previous punt from AW is a possibility, but I've changed phones (well sims) this year, as I do every year or so.  Never given my surname to any of them either.  I do also struggle to imagine AW would give a fuck sufficiently to give out my details.

And I was hoping there's be someone who can see the other side of the fence as it were to see what she has spouted/posted, and who might have responded. 

Still get my head around the implications.  convincing my other half maybe we should change phone numbers to get 'rid of sales' calls

been googling the email address I use to see if it pops up anywhere and racking my brains to think where else I have used it.  A lesson there to change throwaway email addresses regularly as well I guess

Ringing her crossed my mind, but is that likely to improve matters?

It would be good to find anyone that is one the other side that could have a looksie to see what she may have posted.  anyone  on good terms with any girls that might oblige?  or tried to register as a service provider to get access??

hardly fucking slept last night because of this

Anyone can read the warnings on safe as you do not have to be a member to see them.  They do it this way so girls who don't want to sign up or just flick through without joining can still see the warnings section.  I can see no warnings there

However in your first post you stated she was leaving a warning on AW forum although that is not what was said in her reply to you

As for AW giving out your details that is very unlikely seeing as they don't even give out details to the Police if asked as I know, so I doubt they are going to give them to a prossie who says you upset her by asking for age play.  If anything they would have told her to take role play off her profile. 
However I notice you still have not named this woman who is obviously a risk to other punters if she is tracking them down and calling them at home.  Is there a reason why not?  I ask as none of this sounds right.  If you emailed on AW she cannot trace you, if you had no other contact with her and have never used your landline to contact any escort nor given them your name there is no possible way she can find out who you are

As for your email to her I can see nothing wrong with it however it is normally better to ask if you can send her the scenario you are after rather than just sending it in the first email as otherwise you can fall under the 'sending emails to get off' category.  You would be surprised how many men send emails detailing what they want to do and have no intention of actually booking as they send the same emails to hundreds of women as they get off on writing the scenario and sending it knowing a female will be reading it.  Its their wank material.  Strange but it happens very often so it looks as if she has lumped you in with them.

miyagi

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But if you have different 'user accounts' set up on windows for each AW user account you have, from my understanding they can't link you by browsers - because by having a seperate windows 'user account' for each aw profile you have...all the cookies AW place on your PC are seperate, you MUST make sure that you login into each 'user account' - clean your cookies and MAKE SURE  you have a different IP address for each AW profile you have

Fingerprint browsers is extreme but again this can be avoided - you need to get rid of flash cookies on your system!

 Disable JavaScript. Disabling JavaScript is a powerful defense against browser fingerprinting, because it cuts off the code that websites use to detect plugins, fonts, use of supercookies, etc. But this could affect your browsing experiences.

Use TorButton. It standardizes most browser characteristics and strings and can block JavaScript in the browser too. Plugins are available for browsers too.


AW also fingerprint your browser (almost all browsers are actually unique in some way), so you need to use different ones for different accounts.

They are pretty good at linking actually, browser fingerprinting is quite an extreme measure.

You can test your browser here:

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Offline Jimmyredcab

No offense intended to the OP but My Bullshit and total bollocks sensor has just had a meltdown

One way he could prove you wrong --------------------- name and shame the "lady".      :hi:

fredpunter

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No offense intended to the OP but My Bullshit and total bollocks sensor has just had a meltdown


I didn't want to be the first to say it  :hi:

miyagi

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I will write a how to open a stealth AW profile if anyone is interested?

New ip is needed, but deleting cookies/flash objects is not. AW likes to see consistency. Having separate windows accounts for each of your stealth accounts keeps your cookies separate. It actually makes you look like a normal AWuser, believe it or not.

USE GMail accounts (or whatever email application you are using). You need to disable content on your email client so that you do not display external images. AW likes to send web beacons that can potentially link you :cool:


miyagi

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I think its put up or shut up time for the OP - he needs to put the wgs AW on here if we are to help me, it'll also help everyone else on here to make sure she is avoided - name and shame her OP!

Jay-Jay

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I can understand the op's reluctance to post the link. If all this is kosher it's not us after all who is going to be on the end of a nutter's stream of phone calls to a home number she has in her possesion once she's further aggravated by being outed on here?

Jay

Offline Daffodil

Regarding the op naming her, it's a tough one. Yes it may help other punters (I'd definitely avoid), but it could expose him to more of her wrath. Often it doesn't matter how bad the review, a lot of punters who were going to see the prossie still see the prossie. Pisses me off as it is, but if I'd also put my neck on the line  :mad: At the moment he at least has this leverage. He could inform her that if she ever tries this shit again he'll make sure every punter in the UK knows her name.

Is he genuine? Don't know, but there is enough detail here to at least give him the benefit. It'd be foolish just to call bullshit.

This could be hugely important news and needs investigating.

Offline Daffodil

A tiny, tiny percentage.
The two major scams are bait and switch and private gallery scams, blackmail is very rare.    :hi:

As you keep saying, but then we also keep hearing more and more examples of it happening  :hi:

SeekingtheTruth

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Just had a quick scan on SAAFE and cant see anything relating to this.

As bad as AW are I cant see them giving out someone's personal details. And even if they did how would they possibly have a home phone number?

Bullshit all the way on this one, might have another nomination for WotW here.

Offline Steve2

Regarding the op naming her, it's a tough one. Yes it may help other punters (I'd definitely avoid), but it could expose him to more of her wrath. Often it doesn't matter how bad the review, a lot of punters who were going to see the prossie still see the prossie. Pisses me off as it is, but if I'd also put my neck on the line  :mad: At the moment he at least has this leverage. He could inform her that if she ever tries this shit again he'll make sure every punter in the UK knows her name.

Is he genuine? Don't know, but there is enough detail here to at least give him the benefit. It'd be foolish just to call bullshit.

This could be hugely important news and needs investigating.

I'll get the popcorn then Daff. It could be a long wait

Offline Daffodil

I'll get the popcorn then Daff. It could be a long wait

Sweet for me please, and a large Coke  :drinks:

Offline house music dave

Just had a quick scan on SAAFE and cant see anything relating to this.

As bad as AW are I cant see them giving out someone's personal details. And even if they did how would they possibly have a home phone number?

Bullshit all the way on this one, might have another nomination for WotW here.

+1

My suspicions were aroused at the home phone number, although they are sometimes needed for outcalls on bookings.  In terms of mobile numbers lets say I was to delete my mobile number from my account, what's the likelyhood of AW saving it on a database? 

SeekingtheTruth

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+1

My suspicions were aroused at the home phone number, although they are sometimes needed for outcalls on bookings.  In terms of mobile numbers lets say I was to delete my mobile number from my account, what's the likelyhood of AW saving it on a database?

Depends on their systems. I assume they will backup every evening so they could quite easily look back at the history of an account and see any and all numbers that have been associated with it.

Offline hockogrockle

I can't help finding it strange that after this thread has been going for quite a few posts we are still waiting, despite numerous requests, to be told who this mad woman was. Something not quite right here???

Offline smiths

As you keep saying, but then we also keep hearing more and more examples of it happening  :hi:

The point is as a punter we dont know when it might happen so being careful ALL the time is obviously the smart thing to do, IF the punter has anything to lose now or has any thoughts of wanting a partner in the future.

gestaltentity

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Just had a quick scan on SAAFE and cant see anything relating to this.

As bad as AW are I cant see them giving out someone's personal details. And even if they did how would they possibly have a home phone number?

Bullshit all the way on this one, might have another nomination for WotW here.

thanks for the vote of confidence.


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FFS.  you want my login to verify it?

from what she says, there is a  forum on AW for service providers?  is that right?


touch.and.go

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Sure you werent meant to post this on worst WG photo thread?  :vomit:


Offline kurnlittle

She looks grim

I don't know how she could find your details

Barry Shipton

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from what she says, there is a  forum on AW for service providers?  is that right?

Yes there is - just google and you'll find it - but already checked the public boards and there's no mention. Most of its just people panicking because AW has locked them out of profiles and lost their credits.

There are private boards for both punters and 'Service Providers' but from the comments even escorts have a job getting to be members of that because you have to be verified on AW etc etc.

So wouldn't worry she was probably just winding you up or its on a board no one will ever see. A lot of escort websites have discussion boards when they register their profile -
like Escort England. But seeing you've put it all over UKP anyone can see it here, so wouldn't worry.

jcdmj12

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Unless I am mistaken, aw use third party payment providers for their cc processing. That means they shouldn't  have access to card details.

cockneybstrd

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I am starting to think the OP might be being thick on purpose after viewing the Pro$$ie in question's profile

I see she has role play mentioned in her likes but I assumed she would also have the alternative services box ticked as well.

So basically you sent an email to a 60+ plus woman with no feedback suggesting she does roleplay with an email (that does come across as sad wank fodder) to SUPER GRAN

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Offline CBPaul

Come into this one late so apologies if any of this is repetition.

I really can't see AW giving out any information or even getting hold of it from a card company in the first place.

If this is true then the OP needs to look a lot closer at where he sent the message from, Punk's ideas on android etc get my vote, the prossie must have been presented with the contact information, I don't think she would have worked too hard trying to find it.

OP, why this prossie ? She's got hidden feedback which is a bad sign and doesn't make too many mentions of offering the sub / dom services you are after - other than ticking most likes. Doesn't like smokers though does she.

My immediate thought was that she offered the whole dom / blackmail / humiliation package and was getting into character, but looking at the profile that's probably not the case.   

touch.and.go

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thanks for the vote of confidence.


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FFS.  you want my login to verify it?

from what she says, there is a  forum on AW for service providers?  is that right?

Getting  a granny to spank your cock - that is sick  :vomit: :thumbsdown:

fredpunter

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I am starting to think the OP might be being thick on purpose after viewing the Pro$$ie in question's profile

I see she has role play mentioned in her likes but I assumed she would also have the alternative services box ticked as well.

So basically you sent an email to a 60+ plus woman with no feedback suggesting she does roleplay with an email (that does come across as sad wank fodder) to SUPER GRAN


Strictly speaking her feedback is hidden, she may have loads, all disputed.

You have my sympathy OP, for more reasons than I care to list.

Offline house music dave

thanks for the vote of confidence.


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FFS.  you want my login to verify it?

from what she says, there is a  forum on AW for service providers?  is that right?




What's happened is you have an older lady who thinks she is a courtesan, she was that up herself that she felt that she had the right to call and berate you. It has happened to me before, not in a call but in text form all over me asking her to bring a towel.

the usual.

"I don't see anyone who makes demands of me like that (i'd already given out my address..wheelchair, need outcalls)

I text her back asking if she has scammed me and intends to break my windows or some shit. she threatens me with the police.

crazy mid 40's fat bitch.


this is NOT the above lady and she makes a fair point, but she does it with rudeness, arrogance and no class.

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Same brain issues as OP's mad hatter me thinks 

   

Offline NIK

thanks for the vote of confidence.


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FFS.  you want my login to verify it?

from what she says, there is a  forum on AW for service providers?  is that right?

Fuck me!    :scare:   No offence but you must be mad to pay for a saggy arsed wrinkly with stupid age rules.  :crazy:

Furthermore, I've said this many times but it's totally beyond me     :unknown:   why any punter needs to be a member of AWank to book prossies form there. If a prossy insists you book through AWank tell her to fuck off and move on.
 In thirty years I've never booked through Awank yet.

cockneybstrd

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Strictly speaking her feedback is hidden, she may have loads, all disputed.

You have my sympathy OP, for more reasons than I care to list.

Hovering over SuperGran's 0 it gives 0 for positive negative and disputes

fredpunter

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Hovering over SuperGran's 0 it gives 0 for positive negative and disputes

Fair enough, can't do that on my phone. Maybe several "unrated" though, not sure hovering shows them, I.e. feedback from unconfirmed bookings.

Offline Daffodil

Fair enough, can't do that on my phone. Maybe several "unrated" though, not sure hovering shows them, I.e. feedback from unconfirmed bookings.

Correct. I believe it does not show "feedback only". She's obviously hidden it for a reason.

Offline Daffodil

I can't help finding it strange that after this thread has been going for quite a few posts we are still waiting, despite numerous requests, to be told who this mad woman was. Something not quite right here???

I know he's gone on to post the link, but would you have done so? If you have a wife and a prossie has already left an incriminating message on your house phone, would you have the balls to antagonise her further? I doubt it.

Offline CBPaul

Correct. I believe it does not show "feedback only". She's obviously hidden it for a reason.

Spot on, feedback only doesn't show up.
The truth is usually the reason for it being hidden IMO.

cockneybstrd

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I know he's gone on to post the link, but would you have done so? If you have a wife and a prossie has already left an incriminating message on your house phone, would you have the balls to antagonise her further? I doubt it.

no i wouldnt have put the link up if the prossie had already phoned me up home. As I would assume that someone viewing this thread would email the seahag the link and merry hell would break loose.

However I still stand by my previous belief that there is a lot more to this than OP has stated. It all sounds very odd

Offline CatBBW

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Getting  a granny to spank your cock - that is sick  :vomit: :thumbsdown:

Horses for courses. Many men enjoy the "mature" or "GILF" fetish.

It's just a shame that this particular one has hidden feedback and isn't recommended anywhere on the net.

Offline CatBBW

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Strictly speaking her feedback is hidden, she may have loads, all disputed.

You have my sympathy OP, for more reasons than I care to list.

No, it would say if she had disputes. She has probably got lots of "Feedback Only". Non-confirmed bookings.

Offline NottsNylonLuvr

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where to start..

might be better to work backwards.

got home yesterday.  hit play on the answering machine at home.  my home landline number.  An escort from Adultwork.  she knew my name, my address, and obviously my number.  I didn't hear the whole message I hit delete as my other half walked in the room.  She heard a bit of it, which has been bad enough

the background:
I'd messaged an escort on AW a week ago.  I'd fancied indulging my submissive side for once.  She had all the boxes ticked - fetish, role play, discipline etc etc.  I sent her a message, nothing wild or wierd, run of the mill, strict aunty/teacher/nanny/naughty boy type stuff

Had several messages back from her, very aggresive, how dare I ask for such a thing, what gives me the right to send a message outlining something I'd like for a meet, she has never been so offended etc etc.  After the first message, I apologised profusley and politely.  pointed out all the ticked boxes, apologised again, obviously I'd misinterpreted etc

obviously that wasn't good enough.  more irate messages, she'd reported me to AW, posted on the service providers forum on there etc, asked AW for my details etc etc.

so.  the bottom line...  AW must have given them out.  the only way they could get any of that is from Credit card history.  you sign up with an email address only.  I've never even spoke to her.  If I had she would at best have a mobile number

As you can imagine.  I didn't sleep much last night.  major paranoia now.  more phone calls?  she gonna turn up at the house??

WTF!! ADULTWORK GAVE OUT PERSONAL DETAILS!!!

The consequences of this for me, and for everyone else I guess are fucking catastrophic

terrified if I stick her profile address up, it's gonna make matters worse.  She's not some daft young kid either.  She's a mature woman

anyone got any advice, thoughts here?
« Last Edit: September 23, 2014, 06:13:33 pm by NottsNylonLuvr »

Offline fish 3912

seems to me the wg is playing a very dangerous game for all she knows the op when threatened like this could react in a equally threatening way,if she didnt like the tone of his email her best course of action would be to just ignore it and re think what she puts in her likes list,fair play to you for coming on here and asking for the advise of the members on here thats what this site is here for,good luck and i hope the situation resolves itself in a favourable fashion for you...

Offline cherub

as far as I can see, having crawled through everything in the my profile bit, all there is is an email address

If it is card details that have been given thats a motherfucker of a rule breaker on their part, that I do know.  The PCIDSS compliance shit for anyone that takes credit cards online is very tight

I doubt AW gave out your information, it would be commercial suicide to do so. The email address could well be how your other details were found.

I sometimes trace people for my work. One of the ways I do this is through the use of databases compiled from information provided online for things such as price comparison websites. You can easily find people's addresses from their mobile number or email address as they don't give a second thought to providing the information when getting a quote. It's all legal as the subjects have consented to their data being sold to third parties when agreeing to the t&c's. Then the  data is available to anyone willing to pay the price.

Offline dandaley

I know he's gone on to post the link, but would you have done so? If you have a wife and a prossie has already left an incriminating message on your house phone, would you have the balls to antagonise her further? I doubt it.

very good point indeed  :thumbsup:

all seems a bit unbelievable to me ??  :blush: