"Danger to life" alert will be tested within weeks.

[puntingking]

How can it be a bad idea?  Seems very sensible to utilise technology to enable a quick warning to be given.

1, it can be misused.
2, the government tends to be slow & bad when it comes to using technology.
3, this can make the general population more submissive to the state.
4, government overreach.
5, we don't get extreme weather that often & when we do its not that bad that would be the reason for the alert system.
6, This wont be used for terrorism as they will not used it in case they alert the terrorist. 
7, to everyone that has a mobile phone, they would most likely be up to date with relevant information even quicker than the state thanks to social media & search engine news feeds.

[Blackpool Rock]

How can it be a bad idea?  Seems very sensible to utilise technology to enable a quick warning to be given.

Some people always have to go down the route of thinking / claiming some sort of Big Brother conspiracy, just like the vaccine had a micro chip etc 

The thing is Big Brother is already in action but not for anything that benefits you, why are they allowed to use ANPR cameras to fine motorists for parking or straying into a bus lane etc, that's plain wrong IMO and people should be railing against it 

[daviemac]

1, it can be misused.
2, the government tends to be slow & bad when it comes to using technology.
3, this can make the general population more submissive to the state.
4, government overreach.
5, we don't get extreme weather that often & when we do its not that bad that would be the reason for the alert system.
6, This wont be used for terrorism as they will not used it in case they alert the terrorist. 
7, to everyone that has a mobile phone, they would most likely be up to date with relevant information even quicker than the state thanks to social media & search engine news feeds.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=339931.0

[chrishornx]

One of mine with a sim in but on wifi calls went off, another with no sim didn't.

which one had you turned off?

mine didn't go off at all not sure why

[Doc Holliday]

How can it be a bad idea?  Seems very sensible to utilise technology to enable a quick warning to be given.

The reality is that the Government intended to implement this a decade ago, so we would be in line with other countries, but like so many such things it has only just happened. (halts before he strays into politics)

[Blackpool Rock]

which one had you turned off?

mine didn't go off at all not sure why

I posted that mine didn't go off, perhaps a Blackpool issue 

[daviemac]

which one had you turned off?

mine didn't go off at all not sure why

I turned the alerts off on my every day phone but turned them back on out of curiosity to see what would happen as with me being in the house it was on wifi calls, that one received the alert. The other phone with no sim card in didn't get it, though oddly enough it does still receive football notifications from BBC sport. 

Both iPhones BTW.

[RandomGuy99]

One of mine with a sim in but on wifi calls went off, another with no sim didn't.

It was sent via the mobile phone network, so you'll have received it if your phone had a SIM in and the sending of it might have been delayed by how busy the mobile phone cell towers you were connected to were.

[Doc Holliday]

I posted that mine didn't go off, perhaps a Blackpool issue

Six went off in our house!

[Blackpool Rock]

I posted that mine didn't go off, perhaps a Blackpool issue 

Just text my mate and he got the alert but could be different masts or network 

[chrishornx]

I turned the alerts off on my every day phone but turned them back on out of curiosity to see what would happen as with me being in the house it was on wifi calls, that one received the alert. The other phone with no sim card in didn't get it, though oddly enough it does still receive football notifications from BBC sport. 

Both iPhones BTW.

seems  a lot didn't get the alert seems slightly erratic overall. Wonder if they will have to do it again?

[billybobsmith]

Only went to the people who matter.  Everyone else is obviously expendable in a "Deep Impact" sort of way

[JontyR]

Was at a National Trust place. It confused the American Couple who received it on the next table in the cafe. Confused me and partner more who didn't receive it.

Strikes me that it may be better if this were a subscription service? I'd happily opt in in much the same way I do to other breaking news / sports alerts. 

[Blackpool Rock]

I've just read that 2g and 3g won't have received the alert so that may be why some people didn't get it depending how old your phone / Sim is etc

[Doc Holliday]

Wonder if they will have to do it again?

Hope not for Davie's sake 

[Strawberry]

I've just read that 2g and 3g won't have received the alert so that may be why some people didn't get it depending how old your phone / Sim is etc

Person I mention above is Android 9 phone bought same year as mine, was only a couple of properties away.

[Doc Holliday]

Issues reported with many on Three network not receiving it.

Also just read this

"Users whose phones have not received a software update in more than two years, and those who were not within reach of a 4G or 5G network were not expected to successfully receive it.

Some Android users were able to opt out of the alert in advance, but most versions of the operating system, and all iPhones, do not allow users to opt out of the highest tier of the alerts, called “government alerts”. They let only lesser tiers, “extreme” and “severe” alerts, be disabled."

It seems many couldn't opt out of 'government alerts' after all? It seems the advance communication has been a little unclear and confused?

[chrishornx]

Hope not for Davie's sake 

poor chap he will be sending out his own distress call

[puntingking]

Day one of the alert system launch & already the system has failed
 
It's worth noting that the alert system happen at 3pm on a Sunday. If the alert need to be used in rush hour on a weekday then maybe the mobile companies won't be able to cope with the pressure on their system.  Just a thought 

[puntingking]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=339931.0

 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

No the only answer must be something sinister, perhaps the powers that be don't care about my safety and wellbeing, can I take legal action 

Just on the news and there is possibly an issue with phones on the 3 network but i'm not with them

Relly has a 3! notwork phone, that didnt go off at all!..

[chrishornx]

Day one of the alert system launch & already the system has failed
 
It's worth noting that the alert system happen at 3pm on a Sunday. If the alert need to be used in rush hour on a weekday then maybe the mobile companies won't be able to cope with the pressure on their system.  Just a thought 

stop the gloom it is in the testing process so there are inevitably going to be glitches

[RedKettle]

Day one of the alert system launch & already the system has failed
 
It's worth noting that the alert system happen at 3pm on a Sunday. If the alert need to be used in rush hour on a weekday then maybe the mobile companies won't be able to cope with the pressure on their system.  Just a thought 

Do you understand the meaning of "test"?

[RandomGuy99]

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[daviemac]

It was sent via the mobile phone network, so you'll have received it if your phone had a SIM in and the sending of it might have been delayed by how busy the mobile phone cell towers you were connected to were.

You've quoted me saying the one with the sim in received the alert so I know I received it, I heard it. 

The one with no sim in did not receive it.

[RandomGuy99]

You've quoted me saying the one with the sim in received the alert so I know I received it, I heard it. 

The one with no sim in did not receive it.

Which is exactly as expected

[daviemac]

Which is exactly as expected

Yes I know that, it was you telling me that I would get the alert on the phone that had the sim in after I had already said I had received it on the phone with the sim in.

Where did you get the delayed part from?? I didn't mention anything about a delay?   

Just to clarify it yet again, I have 2 phones, one with a sim card one without, the one with the sim card received the alert at 15.00 hrs. I know this is what was going to happen and I knew it was being broadcast from every mobile phone mast across the UK because I read  20+ posts/threads on a website about it, I also knew because it had been in the papers, on television and on the radio.

The other phone with no sim card did not get the alert, which is understandable as there is no way for it to connect to the mobile network, though it can connect to wifi, but that was not how it was transmitted.

[sensualencounter]

Hey guys, you’ll never guess what!!! Something weird happened at 3pm yesterday!! My phone had a strange message!! What’s it all about? Are the Russians coming? Has it booted up my nanotech covid vaccine? Is big brother using it to track me? I wonder if the government has used it to make me vote for them in the upcoming elections? It’s so strange because surely something like this would have been discussed in the press and maybe even on here? But I can’t find anything about it.

I wonder if this strange message has wiped my brain and turned me into an idiot? Can you help guys, please???

 

[RandomGuy99]

Where did you get the delayed part from?? I didn't mention anything about a delay?   

From other people's posts in the thread. 

[daviemac]

From other people's posts in the thread. 

You've lost me now, so you are quoting me but talking about other posters on the thread, it makes no sense.   

You do know that when you quote someone it means you are talking directly to them don't you??     If you want to make a general comment then don't quote anybody. 

I just answered the question that was asked of me and explained what had happened in my case. 

[Strawberry]

I know of 1 person who received an alert 12 hours later, could be they encountered enough signal (I don't have enough detail to comment on that) but I don't think that is the way it works? As I understand it you receive it when it is sent out, it's not saved until you turn your phone on or turn alerts back on. Because it was unexpected at the time it arrived, the situation in which this was received was totally unsuitable, could have been dangerous.

[catweazle]

I use the 3 network, and didn't get sn alert.

[daviemac]

I use the 3 network, and didn't get sn alert.

It's been all over the news that there was a problem with the 3 network and those like ID Mobile who use the 3 network not getting the alert.

[petermisc]

It's worth noting that the alert system happen at 3pm on a Sunday. If the alert need to be used in rush hour on a weekday then maybe the mobile companies won't be able to cope with the pressure on their system.  Just a thought 

Does the tower broadcast one message that is picked up by all mobiles connected to that tower, or does the tower send out separate messages to each individual mobile it knows is connected to it?

[southcoastpunter]

I've just read that 2g and 3g won't have received the alert so that may be why some people didn't get it depending how old your phone / Sim is etc

i had previously heard that but one of my two phones is a 3G and i got the alert on both phones at exactly the same time (i was out and about and not connected to wifi).

[Blackpool Rock]

i had previously heard that but one of my two phones is a 3G and i got the alert on both phones at exactly the same time (i was out and about and not connected to wifi).

Well according to this article and everything else i've read it was only sent out to 4g and 5g phones

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The test alert was set to be sent out nationwide on all mobile phones that are compatible with 4G and 5G. Phones let out a siren sound followed by the message.

[puntingking]

Does the tower broadcast one message that is picked up by all mobiles connected to that tower, or does the tower send out separate messages to each individual mobile it knows is connected to it?

not too sure, my guess is one message would be picked up by all mobile phones connected to that tower. Then again maybe the latter as some mobiles got the message an hour late or a few minutes early. 

[Blackpool Rock]

Does the tower broadcast one message that is picked up by all mobiles connected to that tower, or does the tower send out separate messages to each individual mobile it knows is connected to it?

How does the technology work?

The emergency alerts are broadcast via mobile phone masts and work on all 4G and 5G phone networks.

That's different to how the government sent out lockdown orders during the pandemic, when SMS messages were sent directly to phone numbers.

It means whoever sends an alert does not need your number, so it's not something you need to reply to, nor will you receive a voicemail if you miss it. No location or other data will be collected, either.

It also means alerts could be sent to tablets and smartwatches on their own data plans.

Anyone in the range of a mast will receive an alert, and they can be tuned based on geography - for example, Manchester residents would not need an alert about life-threatening flooding in Cornwall.

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[Watts.E.Dunn]

If your really bored its all in here several pages of it;!...


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[petermisc]

If your really bored its all in here several pages of it;!...
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Except it doesn't appear to answer the question I asked (and neither did RK's response).

Does the tower broadcast one message that is picked up by all mobiles connected to that tower, or does the tower send out separate messages to each individual mobile it knows is connected to it?

[PumpDump]

Except it doesn't appear to answer the question I asked (and neither did RK's response).

Does the tower broadcast one message that is picked up by all mobiles connected to that tower, or does the tower send out separate messages to each individual mobile it knows is connected to it?

I suspect it is one broadcast picked up by all phones. Reason being I was in an area with several hundred people around me and everyone's alert went off at same time. If it was sent as separate messages then I'd expect the alert to sound at different times for different phones.

[myothernameis]

I suspect it is one broadcast picked up by all phones. Reason being I was in an area with several hundred people around me and everyone's alert went off at same time. If it was sent as separate messages then I'd expect the alert to sound at different times for different phones.

It even stopped the snooker for a short time

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[PumpDump]

It even stopped the snooker for a short time

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From Just Stop Oil to Just Stop the Alert!

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Except it doesn't appear to answer the question I asked (and neither did RK's response).

Does the tower broadcast one message that is picked up by all mobiles connected to that tower, or does the tower send out separate messages to each individual mobile it knows is connected to it?

OK theres a thing called the Control Channel or timeslot rather, this decides that your on the best base station for your location and the like it isn't broadcast as a text message ot MMS message its a part of the system which controls what your phone is a 'doin. All mobles on that tower will be receiving this and for that matter any mobile on any net will to, it is not an indivadually directed call as such at a particular mobile, its received by all mobiles on all networks.

If your on a voice call and this goes of its a very short duration message and takes arpound 250 milliseconds to download  harldey noticable in a voice a call.

There! that do;)..

[timsussex]

i got the alert - was wondering if I would get 2 copies - I have a dual SIM phone - but only 1 copy

[mr.bluesky]

I posted that mine didn't go off, perhaps a Blackpool issue 

It's that bloody tower got in the way of the signal
 

[mr.bluesky]

It even stopped the snooker for a short time

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I bet that alarm going off woke everybody up that was watching the snooker 

[petermisc]

OK theres a thing called the Control Channel or timeslot rather, this decides that your on the best base station for your location and the like it isn't broadcast as a text message ot MMS message its a part of the system which controls what your phone is a 'doin. All mobles on that tower will be receiving this and for that matter any mobile on any net will to, it is not an indivadually directed call as such at a particular mobile, its received by all mobiles on all networks.

If your on a voice call and this goes of its a very short duration message and takes arpound 250 milliseconds to download  harldey noticable in a voice a call.

There! that do;)..

Thanks for that.  I was aware of the way mobile phones constantly check that they are paired with the best base station/tower.  If I understand you correctly, it is the common broadcast channel used for this that is now also being used to send the emergency message, not the channels used for voice and SMS messages.  Is this information in the public domain anywhere?  I have not been able to find anything more detailed than the somewhat vague press releases.

[Bat]

This is all about government control and tracking.
As punters people at home will keep thier phones off. But what if your girlfriends/wife 2nd phone goes off. You will know shes cheating or a escort

Or simply that she works for a company that issues staff with a phone purely for work purposes.

Everyone I currently work with has an official work phone issued to them. Approximately 80% of them are women. Should I be concerned that they are all “cheating or an escort”?

What a ridiculous comment 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Thanks for that.  I was aware of the way mobile phones constantly check that they are paired with the best base station/tower.  If I understand you correctly, it is the common broadcast channel used for this that is now also being used to send the emergency message, not the channels used for voice and SMS messages.  Is this information in the public domain anywhere?  I have not been able to find anything more detailed than the somewhat vague press releases.

Not in an easliy understandable form!.

In GSM Mobile the system works, sort of, by the mobile transmitting in a short burst then the base station doing the same so a sort of i talk you listen on the same radio channel then that reverses but iust happening very quickly its divieded up into what are called "Timeslots" said time slots can carry your voice in a digital format and other inormation that controls the overal system i.e. sets up the call, registers you onto the system and can carry that "Alarm" signal received by your mobile that then goes into the Alarm mode its been in the specification for a very long time like Texting, that was a tacked on bit that engineers might have found usefull for messaging each other but now its a prime method of messaging communications!