MissLauren - Dangerous Prossie Outing Punter?

[ampersand]

I think he needs to.  At the moment he certainly appears to have been involved in something that is contrary to the interests of at least one punter and something that is generally undesirable to all.  People have been banned for less.  In tcm's case, I think a failure to explain himself should lead to censure.

[OldAdmin]

Hopefully he has at least had the balls to give his side of the story to admin.

He did PM me earlier, however I seem to have misread it thinking it was "no problem", I'm not quite sure 100% on that now that I've read it properly.
He confirmed he advised Lauren to contact Kimberly to get infoseeker's phone number.

[SeekingtheTruth]

I think TCM needs to get his side across as it is not looking good from my point of view at the moment. There is history between him and infoseeker, and no matter how much of a pretentious tool info is he doesn't deserve to be outed. Especially when you consider that the way he posts is probably just an online persona and completely different to his real life persona.

The fact that he has advised this stupid bitch to get his number from another pro$$ie concerns me as well. How would he feel if the tables were turned? Trying to get another punter outed is beyond cuntish.

[Salt]

He did PM me earlier, however I seem to have misread it thinking it was "no problem", I'm not quite sure 100% on that now that I've read it properly.
He confirmed he advised Lauren to contact Kimberly to get infoseeker's phone number.

wow.....

why would he do that?

there doesn't seem to be any reasonable reason for him to do this except to cause trouble.....

[ampersand]

wow.....

why would he do that?

there doesn't seem to be any reasonable reason for him to do this except to cause trouble.....

I agree.  Not looking good for tcm.

[wristjob]

Bugger me, this is mental.

I think TCM needs to get his side across as it is not looking good from my point of view at the moment. There is history between him and infoseeker, and no matter how much of a pretentious tool info is he doesn't deserve to be outed. Especially when you consider that the way he posts is probably just an online persona and completely different to his real life persona.

Totally agree. I think IS is a bit of a nob but jeez, I'm 100% in support of him in this. TCM helping in this in any capacity - doesn't look good.

[threechilliman]

I've been in contact with admin and IS to explain further, yesterday evening.

I've asked admin if I need to clarify anything this morning as I've just read the posts from last night.

IS will make his own mind up about it and no doubt let his thoughts be known.

tcm

[Bigus Dickus]

I've been in contact with admin and IS to explain further, yesterday evening.

I've asked admin if I need to clarify anything this morning as I've just read the posts from last night.

IS will make his own mind up about it and no doubt let his thoughts be known.

tcm

How about you tell the rest of us your side of the story as it looks like you sided with a prossie to out one of the site members! If you did this then how can anyone here trust you or your reviews.

Come on give your side of the story?

The fact that you're not banned suggests that there's a bit more to it.

[JB1969]

Fucking hell! Punting is supposed to be hassle free. The problem comes when punters try to get too involved in prossie business or their lives.  It is supposed to be a hobby not a fucking lifestyle, if you find yourself becoming far too involved in it you need to re evaulate where you are in life.

[NIK]

Fucking hell! Punting is supposed to be hassle free. The problem comes when punters try to get too involved in prossie business or their lives.  It is supposed to be a hobby not a fucking lifestyle, if you find yourself becoming far too involved in it you need to re evaulate where you are in life.

Spot on. Some people seem to be getting too involved with what is never more than a business transaction.

[Matium]

He confirmed he advised Lauren to contact Kimberly to get infoseeker's phone number.

Shameful.

There's an American saying which we should adopt:

"Bros before hos".

[SirFrank]

Like Vorian, I've always had a lot of time and respect for TCM. I was genuinely sad to find out V had been banned but I appreciate the rationale for that. I really wouldn't rush in to judge or criticise TCM as I've always thought he makes a valuable contribution to the board. However, given the picture that is emerging I think it would be prudent for him to openly clear the air for all concerned.

Other than anything else, this thread really does highlight an unpalatable side to punting, which is why in the real world, I keep my nose clean, don't speak to anyone about my hobby, use a punting phone and don't get too close to any WG or other punters.

[The President]

 

Like Vorian, I've always had a lot of time and respect for TCM. I was genuinely sad to find out V had been banned but I appreciate the rationale for that. I really wouldn't rush in to judge or criticise TCM as I've always thought he makes a valuable contribution to the board. However, given the picture that is emerging I think it would be prudent for him to openly clear the air for all concerned.

Other than anything else, this thread really does highlight an unpalatable side to punting, which is why in the real world, I keep my nose clean, don't speak to anyone about my hobby, use a punting phone and don't get too close to any WG or other punters.

[threechilliman]

If I'm given chance I'll offer a full explanation this evening. After that it'll be up to you guys whether you believe me and admin can decide whether I'm banned.

If I'm banned then so be it. I'll continue to read even if I can't comment or contribute.

tcm

[SeekingtheTruth]

Why wait? You aren't on pre-mod or currently banned. Your chance is now.

By leaving it hanging like this you are making people think the worst, best Roget it all out in the open now to avoid speculation and any unnecessary resentment building up.

Or do you need time to come up with a better story as to why you are sending PM's to a pro$$ie and giving them ideas on how to out a fellow punter?

I would rather believe this is all a big misunderstanding but it's not looking good.

[threechilliman]

Why wait? You aren't on pre-mod or currently banned. Your chance is now.

By leaving it hanging like this you are making people think the worst, best Roget it all out in the open now to avoid speculation and any unnecessary resentment building up.

Or do you need time to come up with a better story as to why you are sending PM's to a pro$$ie and giving them ideas on how to out a fellow punter?

I would rather believe this is all a big misunderstanding but it's not looking good.

I don't have time during the day to type it. Simple as that.

tcm

[RedKettle]

I suggest backing off until this evening - fair enough people work during the day and it is difficult to access UKP.  It also gives us chance to anticipate the next chapter in this saga.

[leedsman]

Meh.

I've met MissLauren. I'd not leave her alone near the silverware. Her messy flat smelled of weed, and she was smoking a joint. Her other half was an 'out of work' DJ, who got her into the game. True story.

Was a good 5 years ago though. Maybe the weed was a one off, she cleaned up, got a new boyfriend and is super smart now.

[miyagi]

Well said Admin - you da man

You think I am going to ban someone just because of some unknown whore and her allegations?

You think my I am a gullible fuck like the other site owners who takes everything prossies say as fact? Treat punters as second class members as if they are always lying and the prossie always honest?

You think I'm scared of you reporting to me to police 

[Blackberry]

I am confused by this thread as I can see info wrote a negative review regarding Kimberly which he is within his rights to do and the general idea of this forum, I don't see how Lauren and TCM became involved an I being thick?

Personally I have always thought info and TCM are decent guys and have PMd them both in the past so I hope they work out any differences they have, as they say bros before hoes.

[sailor3]

Out of curiosity, where is IS's feedback on MissLauren? I want to see what has triggered this whole fiasco. Read the whole thread, but must have missed it.

[Matium]

I am confused by this thread as I can see info wrote a negative review regarding Kimberly

Infoseeker's review on Kimberley C was neutral.

It just shows you how certifiably nuts she is that she can get so upset about a neutral review.

Threechilliman went to see Kimberley after Infoseeker's review.

[sailor3]

I was made aware of this thread but I was busy doing my normal posting in the two North West forums.
I wasn't going to post except for the fact that Miss Lauren has made a specific allegation against me highlighted in Red above.

My reply is she is a lying Pro$$ie!
As someone mentioned why doesn't she just take it to the police instead of conspiring with another Pro$$ie KimberlyC who I reviewed.

Obviously any electronic communications are easily traced by the authorities and they know where they can find me and in the interest of escort safety I would cooperate fully.
I believe as much as any punter that Pro$$ies should be able to work safely and securely so if any Pro$$ie has infact received "death threats" of any type or even lower level abuse then I would want the culprit to be found.
My opinion is though it is just a made up story and the police will never be contacted.

In the last few posts KimberlyC has become a focus and rightly so my opinion is that KimberlyC is as much involved in this conspiracy as MissLauren.
I only posted feedback on MissLauren, as for KimberlyC I posted a full review of her.
The attacks (including someone trying to repeatedly hack into my UKPunting account) and baseless claims against me some of which are posted for reference by Admin above started shortly after I posted a review of KimberlyC.
At the time I replied in full to Admin and mentioned a list of possible culprits and KimberlyC was on that list it was my belief that she wanted me banned to discredit my review.

Miss Lauren isn't the smartest Pro$$ie around as for KimberlyC she is a different kettle of fish that is why I delayed my review of her as mentioned here.

KimberlyC though hasn't been stupid enough to be caught redhanded and Miss Lauren has and we can only go on the evidence we have.

This is not an attack against one punter this is an attack against the basic trust on which the punting market relies and operates.
How can the punting market work if a Pro$$ie who gets upset with a punter for feedback, her reaction is to threaten to out him and actively be taking specific steps to do that.

On the contrary Miss Lauren has outed herself and no longer deserves a penny of any self respecting punters hard earned money.

Says here that IS posted feedback of Miss Lauren, where is it? On AW?

[akauya]

I think TCM needs to get his side across as it is not looking good from my point of view at the moment. There is history between him and infoseeker, and no matter how much of a pretentious tool info is he doesn't deserve to be outed. Especially when you consider that the way he posts is probably just an online persona and completely different to his real life persona.

I agree with this. NO punter deserves to be outed no matter how much of a pompous twat he sounds. Not outing people is one of the cardinal rules of this hobby of ours.

I'm also a bit concerned TCM appears to be colluding with a prossie to out IS. I hope that is not the case.

Fucking hell! Punting is supposed to be hassle free. The problem comes when punters try to get too involved in prossie business or their lives.  It is supposed to be a hobby not a fucking lifestyle, if you find yourself becoming far too involved in it you need to re evaulate where you are in life.

Couldn't agree more. Not saying my way is better than others but to me it is a business transaction (a very pleasurable one of course) and that's where it ends. As I said before I have no regulars and don't intend to. Hardly ever visit the same prossie again (there are so many to choose from). So I never get involved in their private lives. Makes MY life so much easier.

[Marmite]

 
Other than anything else, this thread really does highlight an unpalatable side to punting, which is why in the real world, I keep my nose clean, don't speak to anyone about my hobby, use a punting phone and don't get too close to any WG or other punters.

Good observation and advice.

I read a thread on here debating the merits of having a separate punting phone/sim......I don't think there is much doubt now.

[curry]

Good observation and advice.

I read a thread on here debating the merits of having a separate punting phone/sim......I don't think there is much doubt now.

That is without doubt the first thing anyone should do I have seen punters use their works phone I think WTF? What you must bear in mind is that despite Rebecca Brookes been cleared there are a hell of a lot of people out there who will trace a contract/PAYG registered phone for you for peanuts.

What is very worrying about the post is that she talks about VPN and stuff. "I hope he doesn't use a vpn then I can trace him etc." Is she technically savvy and able to do this or is she just assuming?!

[sarahjayneleeds]

What is very worrying about the post is that she talks about VPN and stuff. "I hope he doesn't use a vpn then I can trace him etc." Is she technically savvy and able to do this or is she just assuming?!

May be she is.  More likely, if anything she will have a client that is and will fall over himself to help a damsel in distress and help her find out who the nasty man is who has been upsetting her to gain brownie points. 

 We currently have two threads running regarding people being threatened or outed. I really don't get how difficult it is for anyone to get their head round having a separate punting phone/email address and a new persona us prossies do it all the time and most of us are meant to be stupid. Personally I tell everyone I see that they should have one and hear many excuses as to why they don't need one. While the majority of us couldn't give a flying fig about who any of us really are these threads prove there is always going to be one nutter or two ( OK maybe more) that comes along and upsets the applecart and lets face it only takes one nutjob to cause harm .

Lets be clear on this it's not just prossies threatening and outing people men have been known to do it,  to or a least be involved somewhere down the line. Look at Dani's post the voice on the phone was a man and the emails appeared to written by a man or at least enough to convince her it was Infoseeker for a while. This of course could be her boyfriend etc but it could also be a client. The best way is to trust no-one apart from yourself. For some reason this industry seems to attract people who are a sandwich short of a picnic not all of us obviously but more than the norm you only have to read some of the posts on here.

Whether you are single, married, only do this now and again,there is no excuse to leave yourself open to any kind of blackmail/threats just because in your head you think it will never happen to you or because you wouldn't dream of doing it doesn't mean others won't. The fact is it could and has as we have seen on here. Look at the Paris thread a stable, professional escort and we all know how that turned out, the Panel thread and many more. If you can hide the fact that you punt from friends and family surely you can hide a tiny sim card and set up an email address.

[Toby]

I am confused by this thread as I can see info wrote a negative review regarding Kimberly which he is within his rights to do and the general idea of this forum, I don't see how Lauren and TCM became involved an I being thick?

The story so far.....

Admin receives a reply to a PM notification sent to MissLauren (ML), from ThreeChilliMan (TCM), which ML replied to by mistake.
The email appears to show that ML has been seeking information on a punter, for possible nefarious purposes. She states that she has already got two numbers of the target punter from a "Kim".
Admin confirms speculative posts that the target punter is InfoSeeker (IS). It is further deduced that "Kim", rather than being Kim Philby, is actually KimberleyC (KC) whom IS did a neutral review on.
ML makes a post stating that IS has made threats to other prostitutes, and suggests that her reasons for seeking his information were related to this.
IS posts a rousing Churchillian-like speech, stating at the end that he will be standing for mayor of London, and is also available for birthdays and weddings.
Dani posts that she had received threats and abusive calls, apparently from IS. Dani states that she now knows that it was not IS doing this, but someone was setting him up. She states that ML may have been misled as well.
TCM posts, confirming that he told ML to get IS's phone number from KC.

The players:
Admin - God, creator of the firmament, vanquisher of trolls, touts, and twats
ThreeChilliMan - punter, apparently well liked, whose behaviour has caused shock waves through the fabric of reality
InfoSeeker - punter, "a bit of a twat", possibly the subject of a smear campaign
MissLauren - a young harlot, who sells her body with no shame, possibly hoodwinked by a smear campaign
KimberleyC - a not-so-young harlot, who also sells her body with no shame, provider of telecommunication information
Dani - tart with a heart, who sells her body with no shame, but who is apparently rather a good fuck





This is from memory, as I'm not going to read the whole thread again, so apologies for errors.

[Dani]

What SJL just said.....

Also whilst many of us wouldn't share your details and don't give a stuff who you are or where you work not all of us think that way. Some will happily out you be you punter or prossie for some perceived slight that you may not even be aware you have committed as its normally just in the crazy persons own head. This industry does seem to attract the part if society that care in the community has failed so it is far better to never be able to be traced. Email through AW not your email address (no IP or other details then). Have a seperate SIM card that you top up with cash and give a fake name. Also don't say where you live unless its somewhere like London
I always have men tell me which part of derby they are from. Now a name like Mike who lives in a small town or area may mean nothing adding to a certain job and a few hobbies and you suddenly become much easier to find especially if you have Facebook as your hobbies are listed as is your wife family and all your friends. I don have photos of me on my personal Facebook for that very reason and everything is set to close friends and family.  If you set your FB. To a set area you will get hundreds of photos pop up daily asking if you know them. I have seen a few clients pop up and had to warn them

If you punt you need to protect yourself. If I can see clients photos without looking imaging how easy it would be if you actually search for them

[socks]

The story so far.....

Admin receives a reply to a PM notification sent to MissLauren (ML), from ThreeChilliMan (TCM), which ML replied to by mistake.
The email appears to show that ML has been seeking information on a punter, for possible nefarious purposes. She states that she has already got two numbers of the target punter from a "Kim".
Admin confirms speculative posts that the target punter is InfoSeeker (IS). It is further deduced that "Kim", rather than being Kim Philby, is actually KimberleyC (KC) whom IS did a neutral review on.
ML makes a post stating that IS has made threats to other prostitutes, and suggests that her reasons for seeking his information were related to this.
IS posts a rousing Churchillian-like speech, stating at the end that he will be standing for mayor of London, and is also available for birthdays and weddings.
Dani posts that she had received threats and abusive calls, apparently from IS. Dani states that she now knows that it was not IS doing this, but someone was setting him up. She states that ML may have been misled as well.
TCM posts, confirming that he told ML to get IS's phone number from KC.

The players:
Admin - God, creator of the firmament, vanquisher of trolls, touts, and twats
ThreeChilliMan - punter, apparently well liked, whose behaviour has caused shock waves through the fabric of reality
InfoSeeker - punter, "a bit of a twat", possibly the subject of a smear campaign
MissLauren - a young harlot, who sells her body with no shame, possibly hoodwinked by a smear campaign
KimberleyC - a not-so-young harlot, who also sells her body with no shame, provider of telecommunication information
Dani - tart with a heart, who sells her body with no shame, but who is apparently rather a good fuck





This is from memory, as I'm not going to read the whole thread again, so apologies for errors.

Excellent summary and several  in there too. You could be like our on the scene correspondent if you fancy the role?

[Blackberry]

The story so far.....

Admin receives a reply to a PM notification sent to MissLauren (ML), from ThreeChilliMan (TCM), which ML replied to by mistake.
The email appears to show that ML has been seeking information on a punter, for possible nefarious purposes. She states that she has already got two numbers of the target punter from a "Kim".
Admin confirms speculative posts that the target punter is InfoSeeker (IS). It is further deduced that "Kim", rather than being Kim Philby, is actually KimberleyC (KC) whom IS did a neutral review on.
ML makes a post stating that IS has made threats to other prostitutes, and suggests that her reasons for seeking his information were related to this.
IS posts a rousing Churchillian-like speech, stating at the end that he will be standing for mayor of London, and is also available for birthdays and weddings.
Dani posts that she had received threats and abusive calls, apparently from IS. Dani states that she now knows that it was not IS doing this, but someone was setting him up. She states that ML may have been misled as well.
TCM posts, confirming that he told ML to get IS's phone number from KC.

The players:
Admin - God, creator of the firmament, vanquisher of trolls, touts, and twats
ThreeChilliMan - punter, apparently well liked, whose behaviour has caused shock waves through the fabric of reality
InfoSeeker - punter, "a bit of a twat", possibly the subject of a smear campaign
MissLauren - a young harlot, who sells her body with no shame, possibly hoodwinked by a smear campaign
KimberleyC - a not-so-young harlot, who also sells her body with no shame, provider of telecommunication information
Dani - tart with a heart, who sells her body with no shame, but who is apparently rather a good fuck





This is from memory, as I'm not going to read the whole thread again, so apologies for errors.

Thank frig for that great summary couldn't figure out how TCM became involved, all very bemusing.

[CoolTiger]

The story so far.....

Admin receives a reply to a PM notification sent to MissLauren (ML), from ThreeChilliMan (TCM), which ML replied to by mistake.
The email appears to show that ML has been seeking information on a punter, for possible nefarious purposes. She states that she has already got two numbers of the target punter from a "Kim".
Admin confirms speculative posts that the target punter is InfoSeeker (IS). It is further deduced that "Kim", rather than being Kim Philby, is actually KimberleyC (KC) whom IS did a neutral review on.
ML makes a post stating that IS has made threats to other prostitutes, and suggests that her reasons for seeking his information were related to this.
IS posts a rousing Churchillian-like speech, stating at the end that he will be standing for mayor of London, and is also available for birthdays and weddings.
Dani posts that she had received threats and abusive calls, apparently from IS. Dani states that she now knows that it was not IS doing this, but someone was setting him up. She states that ML may have been misled as well.
TCM posts, confirming that he told ML to get IS's phone number from KC.

The players:
Admin - God, creator of the firmament, vanquisher of trolls, touts, and twats
ThreeChilliMan - punter, apparently well liked, whose behaviour has caused shock waves through the fabric of reality
InfoSeeker - punter, "a bit of a twat", possibly the subject of a smear campaign
MissLauren - a young harlot, who sells her body with no shame, possibly hoodwinked by a smear campaign
KimberleyC - a not-so-young harlot, who also sells her body with no shame, provider of telecommunication information
Dani - tart with a heart, who sells her body with no shame, but who is apparently rather a good fuck





This is from memory, as I'm not going to read the whole thread again, so apologies for errors.

Excellent Summary.

Where were you during ParisGate?? 

[musicman007]

The story so far.....

Admin receives a reply to a PM notification sent to MissLauren (ML), from ThreeChilliMan (TCM), which ML replied to by mistake.
The email appears to show that ML has been seeking information on a punter, for possible nefarious purposes. She states that she has already got two numbers of the target punter from a "Kim".
Admin confirms speculative posts that the target punter is InfoSeeker (IS). It is further deduced that "Kim", rather than being Kim Philby, is actually KimberleyC (KC) whom IS did a neutral review on.
ML makes a post stating that IS has made threats to other prostitutes, and suggests that her reasons for seeking his information were related to this.
IS posts a rousing Churchillian-like speech, stating at the end that he will be standing for mayor of London, and is also available for birthdays and weddings.
Dani posts that she had received threats and abusive calls, apparently from IS. Dani states that she now knows that it was not IS doing this, but someone was setting him up. She states that ML may have been misled as well.
TCM posts, confirming that he told ML to get IS's phone number from KC.

The players:
Admin - God, creator of the firmament, vanquisher of trolls, touts, and twats
ThreeChilliMan - punter, apparently well liked, whose behaviour has caused shock waves through the fabric of reality
InfoSeeker - punter, "a bit of a twat", possibly the subject of a smear campaign
MissLauren - a young harlot, who sells her body with no shame, possibly hoodwinked by a smear campaign
KimberleyC - a not-so-young harlot, who also sells her body with no shame, provider of telecommunication information
Dani - tart with a heart, who sells her body with no shame, but who is apparently rather a good fuck





This is from memory, as I'm not going to read the whole thread again, so apologies for errors.

nice summary...."in a nutshell" springs to mind

[Boundless]

What SJL just said.....

Also whilst many of us wouldn't share your details and don't give a stuff who you are or where you work not all of us think that way. Some will happily out you be you punter or prossie for some perceived slight that you may not even be aware you have committed as its normally just in the crazy persons own head. This industry does seem to attract the part if society that care in the community has failed so it is far better to never be able to be traced. Email through AW not your email address (no IP or other details then). Have a seperate SIM card that you top up with cash and give a fake name. Also don't say where you live unless its somewhere like London
I always have men tell me which part of derby they are from. Now a name like Mike who lives in a small town or area may mean nothing adding to a certain job and a few hobbies and you suddenly become much easier to find especially if you have Facebook as your hobbies are listed as is your wife family and all your friends. I don have photos of me on my personal Facebook for that very reason and everything is set to close friends and family.  If you set your FB. To a set area you will get hundreds of photos pop up daily asking if you know them. I have seen a few clients pop up and had to warn them

If you punt you need to protect yourself. If I can see clients photos without looking imaging how easy it would be if you actually search for them

Very easy to find out stuff thanks to cyberland.

A regular WG of mine was getting hassled by a guy with advanced EAS who threatened to out her and post photos of her thro the neighbours' doors. She had done an overnight with him and knew his real name but only the county where he lives and a rough idea of his job.

After only 15 minutes on the net, I had his address, phone number, all the names of his family, his job and place of work, photo of his house from Google earth (with his car parked on the drive) even a lovely mug shot from the local paper!  I certainly didn't tell the WG any of this of course, just for my info in case he was staking her place out when I was visiting and/or was likely to cause me grief.
This is just to illustrate exactly how much info is out there, mostly free, although as my hobby is family history research, I have a few subscriptions to websites that come in handy. Facecloth is a goldmine!
As our friend said on another thread regarding security, you can't be too careful.

False name
Punting phone
Park down the road
Tell prossie nowt
Tell anyone else nowt (except UKP of course)

[mh]

nice summary...."in a nutshell" springs to mind

Does anyone remember the US comedy show "Soap" from back in the day (late 70's, starred Billy Crystal)? Toby's summary sounds just like the weekly introduction - "Last time on Soap ...".

[Boundless]

Does anyone remember the US comedy show "Soap" from back in the day (late 70's, starred Billy Crystal)? Toby's summary sounds just like the weekly introduction - "Last time on Soap ...".

It reminded me of those notes you get at school for Shakespeare plays!

[squeezebox]

Does anyone remember the US comedy show "Soap" from back in the day (late 70's, starred Billy Crystal)? Toby's summary sounds just like the weekly introduction - "Last time on Soap ...".

Or  those a little older....."the continuing story of Peyton Place"

[musicman007]

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i see what you mean

[arthur]

I've spent much of today checking back on this thread for the latest developments, its thoroughly intriguing, and having read through all posts I went back and read the original email and my interpretation is something not mentioned yet, as far as I know.
When she says 'I suppose I just want some ammo. He will shit himself if I can email a pic of him to him along with real name. X' it sounds to me like she was just trying to scare this guy for being a troll without any intention of actually doing it? Threats to out someone is bad enough, actually outing him would certainly be the cardinal sin that speaks to us all given this its almost always a secret way of life, but I wonder if that intention was there. Somewhere along the thread it seems to have been taken as she was definitely going to out him, and having gone back to read the initial email I thought id share how I interpreted it.
Saying that, as for Lauren and this American WG sharing phone numbers and info without knowing knowing what the other was going to do with that info, they deserve what they get for even going near the topic of outing a punter.
Also can anyone point me in the direction of the Tony/Lou4Fun scandal and someone just mentioned something about ParisGate, never heard of these before.

[Dani]

Saying that, as for Lauren and this American WG sharing phone numbers and info without knowing knowing what the other was going to do with that info, they deserve what they get for even going near the topic of outing a punter.

Prossies do share numbers of punters especially if one says she is getting threats and wants to know if it is from the same number that she knows someone has.  They get passed via PM on saafe a lot.  I admit I would probably do the same as KC if a girl emailed me saying she is being threatened by someone and wants his phone numbers as he apparently says he is going to book her and hurt her.  I would then probably pass the number on if she was quite well known and not a new prossie (could easily be anyone if a new profile).  sharing numbers is one way we try to keep safe.  Its not fool proof but it does help.
I have been given quite a few numbers of people to avoid via PM normally they are guys who have been violent or threatened violence.  I admit I have also passed out two numbers of men I know who are violent (the two times I have been attacked) to those who asked for it.
However it is always going to be open to abuse.  Girl A PMs girl B saying she is scared and wants the numbers so she can block them, Girl A actually wants them to try to out client or just cause him grief.  Girl B then looks complicit for giving them to her even if she did not know the real reason girl A wanted the number.

Im just pissy as I got all the crap emails and calls and I am nothing to do with it and don't know any of them and cant work out wtf it had to do with me.  I did PM a couple of people on here about it at the time as I was a little worried as it was before Lauren did what she did and I didn't have a clue what was going on. 

[threechilliman]

OK, I’ve been asked for my version of events and feel it would be unfair on all parties concerned if I didn’t give it. This is my account of what happened as far as I remember it. Those parties involved who aren’t banned can correct me if I’ve missed anything or if they feel my interpretation isn’t as it should be. I’ll start from the beginning....
 
So that everyone can perhaps understand the entire thread, I’ll try to include all parties mentioned so that people can form their own judgement. I’d been contacted by Rochdull Lad at the beginning of July regarding KimberlyC as he was going to see her and would report back in due course. RL and myself share a similar taste in women and so if he thought she was good, I’d put her on my list to see. Around that time he lost his internet connection and hasn’t posted since, so couldn’t review her. Infoseeker then posted his neutral review, which he was entitled to do at around the time I was planning to see her. I contacted KC to establish contact, and she mentioned she’d been texting RL a few days before – I took this to be a positive sign as I wouldn’t have thought he would be doing this if he’d not enjoyed it and so booked her. This was the missing information which I alluded to in the opening paragraph of my review.
 
In July MissLauren had contacted me regarding IS after we (me & IS) had a small disagreement and mentioned that she’d had a run in with him on the auto-censored – I can only take her word for that as I haven’t read any of it as I’m an inactive member there. We exchanged a couple of PM's and when it became clear she was quite angry about it I advised her to 'forget it and move on' or words to that effect (admin may have a record of that deleted PM). Nothing more was said on the subject after this.
 
In the meantime I’d seen KC and enjoyed the experience as I think my review makes clear.
 
Also during the period, I’d PM’d IS about various topics with no cross words. I’d put the initial spat behind me and he seemed to have done likewise. I had no reason to believe otherwise.
 
Following my visit to KC I got word that Dani had been threatened – by whom I have no knowledge – and I contacted D to assure her I had no involvement in it. This incident may be unrelated as I see no reason why KC, IS or myself (all implicated) would have any reason to contact D and threaten her. She had no involvement in any of our exchanges as far as I’m aware. This still remains a mystery but as it’s been linked to this I thought it best to mention it.
 
Moving forward to yesterday and ML PM’d me out of the blue regarding IS. As the PM’s have been erased now, I can’t refer back to them to see exactly what was said (admin may be able to see them). As far as I can remember, ML stated that she was concerned about IS making a booking with her to cause trouble. I responded by saying that if she thought that was the case, she may want to try and avoid it happening and suggested contacting KC to see if she had his mobile number which she could then block or at least avoid the call. My motive here was simply to avoid a punter and SP meeting in potentially unsafe circumstances which I don’t think anybody would want. I had no reason to believe that IS was going to contact ML and his comments on the NW boards also suggested this was unlikely. My actions here were perhaps naive, but ML had already contacted KC and would have done so without me being involved. At no point until the final email, that ML had intended to send to me, had anybody mentioned ‘outing’ anyone.
 
As ML responded directly to the email notification, her response was sent directly to admin who then asked me what it was about. I responded with very much what I’d said above - I was trying to avoid conflict and not create it. Admin responded by saying OK, having seemingly accepted my explanation.
 
Overnight there were a lot more posts on the thread asking me to explain myself and admin seemed uncertain that he’d interpreted my previous reply correctly. I PM’d him this morning asking if I needed to clarify what I’d said and am happy to do so.

In the period since this story hit the headlines, I've PM'd with IS, quite amicably and he has stated to me 'that he believes tcm is not in the wrong'. His words, not mine which he'll confirm. I, in turn have apologised for any offence caused and have 'un-twat-ed' him, which he has accepted.
 
That’s pretty much it.
 
In my defence, I would state the following:-
 
My intention was to avoid Punter and SP meeting when they have issues between them as this could be unsafe for both parties. In the circumstances, what advice might others have given, if any?

At no point was I trying to ‘out’ anyone. Had I got any inkling that this might be the case I would have advised them against this.

If I’m charged with acting naively, then I plead ‘Guilty’ as I would certainly have acted differently had I known what would happen

If I’m charged with trying to ‘out’ a punter, then I plead ‘Not Guilty’ as I would never try to do this. I don’t believe any of us would.
 
If I am subsequently banned and this is my last post on here then all I’ll say is that you’ve all been good company over the last few months, whether I’ve agreed with you or not and I’ll continue to read even if I’m unable to comment and contribute.
 
So there you are. Judgement will no doubt be passed and everyone can have their own say as to whether they think I’ve acted improperly and whether I’m telling the truth. I cannot add anything else now....
 
tcm

[Blackberry]

And this is why people should not jump to conclusions before they hear both sides of the story.

[Bigus Dickus]

He's a twat, let's face it.

Eccles New Road eh? Very convenient.......

TCM, what's this bit all about. Her email reply seems to indicate that there was a bit more chat than you suggesting she blocks his mobile numbers?

I must say the whole situation is all a bit odd and pieces of the puzzle are still missing.

 

[Bangers and Gash]

And this is why people should not jump to conclusions before they hear both sides of the story.

[smiths]

OK, I’ve been asked for my version of events and feel it would be unfair on all parties concerned if I didn’t give it. This is my account of what happened as far as I remember it. Those parties involved who aren’t banned can correct me if I’ve missed anything or if they feel my interpretation isn’t as it should be. I’ll start from the beginning....
 
So that everyone can perhaps understand the entire thread, I’ll try to include all parties mentioned so that people can form their own judgement. I’d been contacted by Rochdull Lad at the beginning of July regarding KimberlyC as he was going to see her and would report back in due course. RL and myself share a similar taste in women and so if he thought she was good, I’d put her on my list to see. Around that time he lost his internet connection and hasn’t posted since, so couldn’t review her. Infoseeker then posted his neutral review, which he was entitled to do at around the time I was planning to see her. I contacted KC to establish contact, and she mentioned she’d been texting RL a few days before – I took this to be a positive sign as I wouldn’t have thought he would be doing this if he’d not enjoyed it and so booked her. This was the missing information which I alluded to in the opening paragraph of my review.
 
In July MissLauren had contacted me regarding IS after we (me & IS) had a small disagreement and mentioned that she’d had a run in with him on the auto-censored – I can only take her word for that as I haven’t read any of it as I’m an inactive member there. We exchanged a couple of PM's and when it became clear she was quite angry about it I advised her to 'forget it and move on' or words to that effect (admin may have a record of that deleted PM). Nothing more was said on the subject after this.
 
In the meantime I’d seen KC and enjoyed the experience as I think my review makes clear.
 
Also during the period, I’d PM’d IS about various topics with no cross words. I’d put the initial spat behind me and he seemed to have done likewise. I had no reason to believe otherwise.
 
Following my visit to KC I got word that Dani had been threatened – by whom I have no knowledge – and I contacted D to assure her I had no involvement in it. This incident may be unrelated as I see no reason why KC, IS or myself (all implicated) would have any reason to contact D and threaten her. She had no involvement in any of our exchanges as far as I’m aware. This still remains a mystery but as it’s been linked to this I thought it best to mention it.
 
Moving forward to yesterday and ML PM’d me out of the blue regarding IS. As the PM’s have been erased now, I can’t refer back to them to see exactly what was said (admin may be able to see them). As far as I can remember, ML stated that she was concerned about IS making a booking with her to cause trouble. I responded by saying that if she thought that was the case, she may want to try and avoid it happening and suggested contacting KC to see if she had his mobile number which she could then block or at least avoid the call. My motive here was simply to avoid a punter and SP meeting in potentially unsafe circumstances which I don’t think anybody would want. I had no reason to believe that IS was going to contact ML and his comments on the NW boards also suggested this was unlikely. My actions here were perhaps naive, but ML had already contacted KC and would have done so without me being involved. At no point until the final email, that ML had intended to send to me, had anybody mentioned ‘outing’ anyone.
 
As ML responded directly to the email notification, her response was sent directly to admin who then asked me what it was about. I responded with very much what I’d said above - I was trying to avoid conflict and not create it. Admin responded by saying OK, having seemingly accepted my explanation.
 
Overnight there were a lot more posts on the thread asking me to explain myself and admin seemed uncertain that he’d interpreted my previous reply correctly. I PM’d him this morning asking if I needed to clarify what I’d said and am happy to do so.

In the period since this story hit the headlines, I've PM'd with IS, quite amicably and he has stated to me 'that he believes tcm is not in the wrong'. His words, not mine which he'll confirm. I, in turn have apologised for any offence caused and have 'un-twat-ed' him, which he has accepted.
 
That’s pretty much it.
 
In my defence, I would state the following:-
 
My intention was to avoid Punter and SP meeting when they have issues between them as this could be unsafe for both parties. In the circumstances, what advice might others have given, if any?

At no point was I trying to ‘out’ anyone. Had I got any inkling that this might be the case I would have advised them against this.

If I’m charged with acting naively, then I plead ‘Guilty’ as I would certainly have acted differently had I known what would happen

If I’m charged with trying to ‘out’ a punter, then I plead ‘Not Guilty’ as I would never try to do this. I don’t believe any of us would.
 
If I am subsequently banned and this is my last post on here then all I’ll say is that you’ve all been good company over the last few months, whether I’ve agreed with you or not and I’ll continue to read even if I’m unable to comment and contribute.
 
So there you are. Judgement will no doubt be passed and everyone can have their own say as to whether they think I’ve acted improperly and whether I’m telling the truth. I cannot add anything else now....
 
tcm

Assuming this is everything in relation to this matter why on earth didnt you tell ML this wasnt your business and you wanted nothing to do with it. If i had got such a PM out of the blue i would be highly suspicious immediately and most likely inform admin.

I have no axe to grind with you at all but you really cant trust what complete or virtual strangers say and in punting it can result in serious and damaging things happening.

[arthur]

The story seems to be (as far as I can make out), someone behind the scenes pretending to be Infoseeker is threatening and trolling WG's. TCM was having a PM conversation with Lauren and it was mentioned to obtain a phone number (given what Dani and TCM have just said about this as a safety thing it seems fair enough), Lauren made a comment about getting his real life details to scare him away and sent it to admin by accident. I don't think there was actually intention to do it so its not as insidious as it first seemed, the blame i allocate to her for even mentioning this depends on whether there was genuine threats (no proof of this yet)
For me TCM is not in the wrong
Infoseeker may be a troll but it seems someone is impersonating him
The American WG may have shared info for safety (maybe not?)
Lauren is  slightly in the wrong for the comment which seemed worse especially when accidently sent to admin, but if there was safety concerns and threats then i give the benefit of the doubt
But finally theres someone behind the scenes that's created all of this by pretending to be infoseeker, the only person for me that's truly in the wrong but they remain hidden
Or have i got my wires crosses somewhere/been a bit naive

[OldAdmin]

If she already had the police involved as she claims there was absolutely no reason for her to want to get his real name and face pic and send it to him in attempt to threaten him.
If she had hard evidence it was him, then he'd deserve it. But she didn't know it was him for certain.

She is going in our upcoming Prossies to Avoid list. I've seen enough.

[Tjkooker]

My question is who the fuck would want to pretend to be infoseeker? He's a loon.

[petitealice]

There's never any excuse for blackmail like that. If you feel that threatened by a punter, go to the police, don't wander around online like a Cockwomble stirring shit.

The dangerous prossie list sounds like a good idea from the prossie end too. It'll be useful for punters knowing who is a nut job, and we can use it when looking at a punter's feedback; the amount of punters I have seen that have bad feedback and turn out to be perfectly decent men, and got negatives due to angry prossies, makes me think it would be handy to cross reference to the list and get a more accurate picture from the aw feedback, since it is a shambles as it is now, with people trading positive feedback and punters leaving a negative and then receiving a negative in return.

[Toby]

And this is why people should not jump to conclusions before they hear both sides of the story.

I did hear a few knees hitting the undersides of desks as I read some of the posts.