FS in TCMs/AMPs

[martin1964]

Been to a few TCM/AMPs, when it comes to the "do you want extras" discussion I always ask if protected FS is available, 9 times out of 10 they say no so it then progresses to the HR, B2B route with associated pricing structure to go with it, these girls know how to negotiate(!), normally I go for B2B. As I say about 10% of the time FS is on offer but it's rare and can vary at the same premises, it tends to be girl specific.

I was just wondering if you said you didn't want HR, B2B etc but were only interested in FS whether it is then actually offered?

I'm not for one moment condoning pushing boundaries or getting people to do things that they are not comfortable with but has anybody ever tried this approach and if so what results did you get?

[daviemac]

I've no idea who or what TCM/AMPs is, any chance of a clue.   

[southcoastpunter]

I was just wondering if you said you didn't want HR, B2B etc but were only interested in FS whether it is then actually offered?

but has anybody ever tried this approach and if so what results did you get?

I got a massage!!

[big-al93]

I've no idea who or what TCM/AMPs is, any chance of a clue.   

Given the rest of the post, I'm assuming AMP = Asian Massage Parlour, no idea about TCM, but would guess at standing for something chinese massage.

[southcoastpunter]

Given the rest of the post, I'm assuming AMP = Asian Massage Parlour, no idea about TCM, but would guess at standing for something chinese massage.

yes - i think it is a Chinese massage technique

[Bertiebeenthere]

Three Chillie Man

[Doc Holliday]

yes - i think it is a Chinese massage technique

Yes it's Traditional Chinese Massage

[Stevelondon]

So let me get this right.
You've asked the SP if FS is on the cards and she says "No", but she goes on to say Full Body massage and HR is an extra.
So you think by telling her that its only a fuck your interested in. She will go "OK then"

Good luck with that one.


I think there have been some reviews on here that will steer you in the right direction if you want the massage with FS.
I'd go for that if I were you.

[contentguy]

I’ve not come across a TCM and still not been to an AMP (asian massage parlour) yet.

OP, are you really asking:
- 9/10 AMPs don’t offer FS
- Most offer HR
- but you wonder how many more would offer FS if you reject HR / B2B

You claim claim not to be a boundary pusher, you’re just asking about success of such a boundary pushing strategy. 

I’ll give you a new acronym

BPC

I’m sure you can work out the first 2 boundary issue letters, the third is a rude word.

[contentguy]

So let me get this right.
You've asked the SP if FS is on the cards and she says "No", but she goes on to say Full Body massage and HR is an extra.
So you think by telling her that its only a fuck your interested in. She will go "OK then"

Good luck with that one.


I think there have been some reviews on here that will steer you in the right direction if you want the massage with FS.
I'd go for that if I were you.

He posits a boundary pushing strategy, asks if anyone has tried it, and says he’s not boundary pushing. 

[snaitram99]

I've no idea who or what TCM/AMPs is, any chance of a clue.   

TCM= Traditional Chinese Medicine, according to the PuntingWiki glossary at least.

AMP is not listed but prob something like Alternative Medical Practitioner.

There used to be one in Penarth, nr. Cardiff, which had a genuine Chinese herbal doctor available on certain days, but most business was massages in the back of the shop.

[catweazle]

TCM= Traditional Chinese Medicine, according to the PuntingWiki glossary at least.

AMP is not listed but prob something like Alternative Medical Practitioner.

There used to be one in Penarth, nr. Cardiff, which had a genuine Chinese herbal doctor available on certain days, but most business was massages in the back of the shop.

AMP = Asian Massage Parlour  ( another American import)

[Stevelondon]

I hate these bloody abbreviations (yes yes we’ve all heard the joke about why does abbreviation have so many letters)

I mean why can’t people type the bloody words.
Where do they have to be in such a hurry that they need to save nano seconds by not doing so.

Can’t stand people texting things like “C U then” either.

[mr.bluesky]

I hate these bloody abbreviations (yes yes we’ve all heard the joke about why does abbreviation have so many letters)

I mean why can’t people type the bloody words.
Where do they have to be in such a hurry that they need to save nano seconds by not doing so.

Can’t stand people texting things like “C U then” either.

The original poster sounds like someone who used to be in the armed forces, they love to use abbreviations.  ( I was going to use the abbreviation op but That would piss off Steve London   

[Stevelondon]

The original poster sounds like someone who used to be in the armed forces, they love to use abbreviations.  ( I was going to use the abbreviation op but That would piss off Steve London 

 

[toetally]

Not sure what the problem is with the original post? Without pushing any boundaries whatsoever I have been offered FS (and partaken) in several massage shops. Also, the abbreviations are surely commonplace enough to be well understood by members of this site?(ie AMPs or TCM shops.)
I'm no fan of unnecessary TLAs, but really with all the jargon on here it's a bit rich to complain if you've had OWO and CIM with a FAF SP, or even just a quick P&D!

[myothernameis]

no idea about TCM, but would guess at standing for something chinese massage.

The cock massage   

[jimbobted]

which had a genuine Chinese herbal doctor available on certain days

There's an oxymoron if ever there was one!

[Stevelondon]

Not sure what the problem is with the original post? Without pushing any boundaries whatsoever I have been offered FS (and partaken) in several massage shops. Also, the abbreviations are surely commonplace enough to be well understood by members of this site?(ie AMPs or TCM shops.)
I'm no fan of unnecessary TLAs, but really with all the jargon on here it's a bit rich to complain if you've had OWO and CIM with a FAF SP, or even just a quick P&D!

The difference between your post and the OP (yes I know, I should never abbreviate)……. Is you use the word offered in yours.

If you’re unsure, read them again. 

[stampjones]

The difference between your post and the OP (yes I know, I should never abbreviate)……. Is you use the word offered in yours.

If you’re unsure, read them again. 

I genuinely dont see what he said wrong. As I read it, he’s asking if, going forward, when it comes to extras he says he’s only interested in sex will that increase his chances of getting it. That being the case, and assuming he doesnt follow that up by trying to persuade them to have sex when they’ve stated they dont do it, I dont see how that is pushing boundaries. He’s merely stating a preference and negotiations are over unless she says ok she’ll do sex. Thats what he’s asking. Given that scenario will some SPs change their stance. I dont know the answer but it doesnt seem much different to me than saying the max you’ll pay is X cos we all know that in many cases we’ll get a counter offer. So I think it’s a valid question unless Im missing something sinister in there.

[lillythesavage]

I genuinely dont see what he said wrong. As I read it, he’s asking if, going forward, when it comes to extras he says he’s only interested in sex will that increase his chances of getting it. That being the case, and assuming he doesnt follow that up by trying to persuade them to have sex when they’ve stated they dont do it, I dont see how that is pushing boundaries. He’s merely stating a preference and negotiations are over unless she says ok she’ll do sex. Thats what he’s asking. Given that scenario will some SPs change their stance. I dont know the answer but it doesnt seem much different to me than saying the max you’ll pay is X cos we all know that in many cases we’ll get a counter offer. So I think it’s a valid question unless Im missing something sinister in there.

I have only been to these places twice, out in the motor working with a cock twitching urge, asked for sex and got it. It was that or a J Arthur in the van, no time for a massage and WSWS 

[stampjones]

I have only been to these places twice, out in the motor working with a cock twitching urge, asked for sex and got it. It was that or a J Arthur in the van, no time for a massage and WSWS 

I’ll often ask if sex is on offer and like OP find sometimes it is, sometimes not. I’m not that fussed these days to be fair as the quality of “girls” in these places is pretty poor these days.

[daviemac]

I genuinely dont see what he said wrong. As I read it, he’s asking if, going forward, when it comes to extras he says he’s only interested in sex will that increase his chances of getting it. That being the case, and assuming he doesnt follow that up by trying to persuade them to have sex when they’ve stated they dont do it, I dont see how that is pushing boundaries. He’s merely stating a preference and negotiations are over unless she says ok she’ll do sex. Thats what he’s asking. Given that scenario will some SPs change their stance. I dont know the answer but it doesnt seem much different to me than saying the max you’ll pay is X cos we all know that in many cases we’ll get a counter offer. So I think it’s a valid question unless Im missing something sinister in there.

I wouldn't say he was boundary pushing by only asking, as long as the answer is accepted. What I don't understand is this part, - "I was just wondering if you said you didn't want HR, B2B etc but were only interested in FS whether it is then actually offered?" - as that is impossible to answer, the OP himself even said services can vary even at the same establishment.

The services provided at massage parlours varies enormously and can go from totally legit where underwear is kept on to full escort services and everything in between.

[toetally]

Stevelondon: my initial reading was as per Stampjones, but on re-reading it seems like asking for sex when it’s not available could put pressure on the SP to provide it or go without a tip, which is unreasonable and would constitute boundary pushing behaviour.
I was mostly puzzled by the reaction to abbreviations though!

[myothernameis]

I wouldn't say he was boundary pushing by only asking, as long as the answer is accepted. What I don't understand is this part, - "I was just wondering if you said you didn't want HR, B2B etc but were only interested in FS whether it is then actually offered?" - as that is impossible to answer, the OP himself even said services can vary even at the same establishment.

The services provided at massage parlours varies enormously and can go from totally legit where underwear is kept on to full escort services and everything in between.

A place I have been going, for the last few years, with regards the massage, the girl know 100% what she is doing.  Happy ending has always been on offer at £20, and no indication of anything else

Would say on my 6th visit, and having a good feel of her ass, she now asks me how much, and this was for her to strip naked.  She was happy with £50 so then striped naked, and no objections to finger her.

I suppose it could be down to trust, so at first all you get is a happy ending, but if you become visit more frequently, then she opens up.

So the girl I have seen, i now know, she is willing to strip, but dont know if she willing to have sex.  If she willing to have sex, think its going to be at a cost of around £100

[daviemac]

A place I have been going, for the last few years, with regards the massage, the girl know 100% what she is doing.  Happy ending has always been on offer at £20, and no indication of anything else

Would say on my 6th visit, and having a good feel of her ass, she now asks me how much, and this was for her to strip naked.  She was happy with £50 so then striped naked, and no objections to finger her.

I suppose it could be down to trust, so at first all you get is a happy ending, but if you become visit more frequently, then she opens up.

So the girl I have seen, i now know, she is willing to strip, but dont know if she willing to have sex.  If she willing to have sex, think its going to be at a cost of around £100

That's the point I'm making, there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to massage parlours. There's one in the NE who'll get her tits out and drop her knickers and let you finger her on the first visit, don't think she go as far as sex though. Then at the other end of the scale others where it doesn't matter how often you go all you get is a massage.  You have to make a judgement on the individual place as to whether what, if any, extras might be available.

[sparkus]

The other point well worth making is it truly is YMMV and some don't get that and can get nasty with girls who don't accept FS on the first visit as they've read something or other on here or elsewhere.

I visited one place and its sister shop and zero occurred on either visit (both seemed quite legit), someone later said they were offered FS there.

I had some pretty wild times in another shop, including FS initiated by the SP, and I had several messages on here from blokes who said they'd not had anymore than a HJ offered there and were quite about that.

[Stevelondon]

The other point well worth making is it truly is YMMV and some don't get that and can get nasty with girls who don't accept FS on the first visit as they've read something or other on here or elsewhere.

I visited one place and its sister shop and zero occurred on either visit (both seemed quite legit), someone later said they were offered FS there.

I had some pretty wild times in another shop, including FS initiated by the SP, and I had several messages on here from blokes who said they'd not had anymore than a HJ offered there and were quite about that.

We’ve probably all had this.
“I didn’t get DFK so why did you”

Some might get better services than others simply cos the SP likes you more…… maybe, perhaps, possibly. Who knows ?

I don’t go to these sort of places wanting sex. So it’s a moot point as far as I am concerned.

[Stevelondon]

Stevelondon:
I was mostly puzzled by the reaction to abbreviations though!

It’s just a personal thing me old China.
Maybe because I’m not up to speed with them all.
“CBARS”

“Can’t to arsed to research the subject” 

[sparkus]

We’ve probably all had this.
“I didn’t get DFK so why did you”

Some might get better services than others simply cos the SP likes you more…… maybe, perhaps, possibly. Who knows ?

I don’t go to these sort of places wanting sex. So it’s a moot point as far as I am concerned.

One SP has refused RO to me several times, despite a previous review mentioning he got it.  I don't get bent out of shape over it.

i) perhaps she doesn't offer it anymore
ii) perhaps she doesn't fancy my tongue or just me being intimate down there
iii) perhaps he didn't even get RO

From what I can tell, some people (lurkers or non members) take the presence of a named review here to mean FS is on the cards and get uppity when it's not.

[stampjones]

I wouldn't say he was boundary pushing by only asking, as long as the answer is accepted. What I don't understand is this part, - "I was just wondering if you said you didn't want HR, B2B etc but were only interested in FS whether it is then actually offered?" - as that is impossible to answer, the OP himself even said services can vary even at the same establishment.

The services provided at massage parlours varies enormously and can go from totally legit where underwear is kept on to full escort services and everything in between.

Yeah exactly. I think the rule is you can ask (or stay silent and wait) but the rule is dont be a dick. I kind of think the whole point of massage (as opposed to escort) is it more chilled so if people are getting all bent out of shape, I never really got that.

[Stevelondon]

Yeah exactly. I think the rule is you can ask (or stay silent and wait) but the rule is dont be a dick. I kind of think the whole point of massage (as opposed to escort) is it more chilled so if people are getting all bent out of shape, I never really got that.

I think that is a good point. You’re going to this type of establishment because it’s a massage service.
You’re visiting an escort because it’s for sex.

[Stevelondon]

One SP has refused RO to me several times, despite a previous review mentioning he got it.  I don't get bent out of shape over it.

i) perhaps she doesn't offer it anymore
ii) perhaps she doesn't fancy my tongue or just me being intimate down there
iii) perhaps he didn't even get RO

From what I can tell, some people (lurkers or non members) take the presence of a named review here to mean FS is on the cards and get uppity when it's not.

So true Sparkus. Can be any number of reasons and I certainly agree. If you’re seeing someone specifically because (for instance) a review mentioned fantastic deep throat.
But she says she doesn’t do that.

I’d be looking down thinking,
“Bloody hell. I just thought I was average size” 

[catweazle]

From what I can tell, some people (lurkers or non members) take the presence of a named review here to mean FS is on the cards and get uppity when it's not.

I think I'm  right in saying that non-members aren't  able to view the massage thread.   Lurkers can, of course.

There is the additional  issue in that, if you regularly  visit  the same place and see the same masseuse a rapport will develop which may lead to you getting a service  ( FS, OWO, CIM, whatever) that is unavailable  to the casual  drop in client.

If you mention that in a review, then some randy chancer will pitch up demanding that service  as " I read on the Internet that you do it".

[sparkus]

So true Sparkus. Can be any number of reasons and I certainly agree. If you’re seeing someone specifically because (for instance) a review mentioned fantastic deep throat.
But she says she doesn’t do that.

I’d be looking down thinking,
“Bloody hell. I just thought I was average size” 

I read loads of reviews on here where the punter says they decided against a HJ because they just wanted a massage or they declined an upsell to b2b that day because they were tired and just wanted a HJ.  Can we blame SPs for feeling the same way?

Also, some SPs will offer services beyond their usual range at say 8.30pm if they've had a run of female/legit customers that day and not made any tips (or they just go heavier on the upsell).

I've also had freebie FS or just more 'generous' b2b because an SP has either wanted to keep loyal custom or 'steal' it from someone else working the shop.

As for inflated reviews, these can lead to 'husbands' and the like causing issues, such as the poor bloke assaulted at the Angel place because of what had been on the internet about someone's wife.

[bobby1973]

there's lot's of Chinese b&s places doing fs for £60/70
why would you pay £50 for a shit massage (some times) and the £80/100 for fs

[char45]

I don't go to Chinese massage much now but I used to and found that alot of the girls offer FS once you become a regular. Which sometimes used to annoy me as some became very insistent even though I wanted a decent massage and HR or oral.

[mr.bluesky]

there's lot's of Chinese b&s places doing fs for £60/70
why would you pay £50 for a shit massage (some times) and the £80/100 for fs

Maybe down south but I'm not aware of that many in the west midlands where sex is on offer at these Chinese rub and tug places, b2b maybe, or maybe I'm not going to the right places or reading reviews where more is on offer 

[GingerNuts]

I don't go to Chinese massage much now but I used to and found that alot of the girls offer FS once you become a regular. Which sometimes used to annoy me as some became very insistent even though I wanted a decent massage and HR or oral.

Most Chinese places the girls stay a week or two and move on, at least they do in the NW and WM. They might return in a month, 3 months, 6 months, never. Harder to become a regular in those circumstances.

[char45]

Some in North London had the same girl for ages with another one rotating

Most Chinese places the girls stay a week or two and move on, at least they do in the NW and WM. They might return in a month, 3 months, 6 months, never. Harder to become a regular in those circumstances.