Agency Rant

[MasterChief]

First off a couple of assumptions;
Agency takes 30% (Probably more certainly no less)
40 Girls (Diamonds 43, Amour 51)
Girls work 3 days (They work more)
5 30 min appointments in a day (That’s on the low side too)
This gives the agency a weekly turnover of 250 (5 30 min appointments) x 3 (days) x 40 (girls) or £30,000, 52 weeks makes an annual turnover of 30,000 x 52 or £1,560,000 and at 30% this gives an annual income of £468,000. Lets say they employ 2 people to answer the phones and maintain the diary 60,000 (and that is way on the high side), website costs 25,000 (again way on the high side) and office costs of another 25,000 (don’t need to say it again), all leaves 358,000, assuming they actually pay the taxes due (Corporation tax is 20% on the first 300,000 and 21% on everything else) so about £73,000 (It’s a bit less) leaving £285,000 annual profit. In reality all the incomes are higher the outgoings lower, they will not pay that amount of tax, and they will be making money off the accommodation the girls use.

Put simply they are making a packet! We have a right to expect something in return
1.   Fuck dumps, Diamonds provide unclean, barely furnished shit-holes, not fit for a dog to crap in, Amour don’t bother providing even this (legal reasons I guess). Agencies should provide or insist the girls provide reasonable accommodation, I’m not talking a million quid penthouse apartment, but a clean place with clean towels and sheets, not the current spunk, sweat and blood stained bedding and “dry yourself on the curtains” pits we find most of the girls in.
2.   Appointments. Once an appointment is made it should be kept (except in exceptional circumstances) I am not alone in Diamonds dumping me in favour of a longer appointment or favoured client https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=35160.0
3.   Services/Descriptions. In no other industry do you buy a product/service without knowing what it is. I realise the law might not be too keen on a list of services on the website and girls are ashamed of what they do so want to hide their faces, but a weekly newsletter showing girls faces and services, sent to punters who request it and/or have made and kept appointments with the girls, would be really easy to implement.
4.   Calendar. Keep the thing up-to-date, and would a rolling 5 day in advance schedule be too difficult? Would be great for us punters, I want to arrange an apt for Monday as I have some free time, but I have no idea who is working!
5.   Feedback. Can anyone point me to a single bad feedback on an Agency site? Im guessing there must be some but damned if I know where.

Diamonds are the worst offenders in my experience, Amour somewhat better but not fantastic, and the smaller ones are not ideal either, why can’t they earn some of that huge pile of cash they are making?

[kingkong]

First off a couple of assumptions;
Agency takes 30% (Probably more certainly no less)
40 Girls (Diamonds 43, Amour 51)
Girls work 3 days (They work more)
5 30 min appointments in a day (That’s on the low side too)
This gives the agency a weekly turnover of 250 (5 30 min appointments) x 3 (days) x 40 (girls) or £30,000, 52 weeks makes an annual turnover of 30,000 x 52 or £1,560,000 and at 30% this gives an annual income of £468,000. Lets say they employ 2 people to answer the phones and maintain the diary 60,000 (and that is way on the high side), website costs 25,000 (again way on the high side) and office costs of another 25,000 (don’t need to say it again), all leaves 358,000, assuming they actually pay the taxes due (Corporation tax is 20% on the first 300,000 and 21% on everything else) so about £73,000 (It’s a bit less) leaving £285,000 annual profit. In reality all the incomes are higher the outgoings lower, they will not pay that amount of tax, and they will be making money off the accommodation the girls use.

Put simply they are making a packet! We have a right to expect something in return
1.   Fuck dumps, Diamonds provide unclean, barely furnished shit-holes, not fit for a dog to crap in, Amour don’t bother providing even this (legal reasons I guess). Agencies should provide or insist the girls provide reasonable accommodation, I’m not talking a million quid penthouse apartment, but a clean place with clean towels and sheets, not the current spunk, sweat and blood stained bedding and “dry yourself on the curtains” pits we find most of the girls in.
2.   Appointments. Once an appointment is made it should be kept (except in exceptional circumstances) I am not alone in Diamonds dumping me in favour of a longer appointment or favoured client https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=35160.0
3.   Services/Descriptions. In no other industry do you buy a product/service without knowing what it is. I realise the law might not be too keen on a list of services on the website and girls are ashamed of what they do so want to hide their faces, but a weekly newsletter showing girls faces and services, sent to punters who request it and/or have made and kept appointments with the girls, would be really easy to implement.
4.   Calendar. Keep the thing up-to-date, and would a rolling 5 day in advance schedule be too difficult? Would be great for us punters, I want to arrange an apt for Monday as I have some free time, but I have no idea who is working!
5.   Feedback. Can anyone point me to a single bad feedback on an Agency site? Im guessing there must be some but damned if I know where.

Diamonds are the worst offenders in my experience, Amour somewhat better but not fantastic, and the smaller ones are not ideal either, why can’t they earn some of that huge pile of cash they are making?

What is the source of your figures? I really wouldn't know what they are turning over.

[MasterChief]

What is the source of your figures? I really wouldn't know what they are turning over.

I don't have a source as I said in the first line all based on assumptions, may be totally wrong 

[AnthG]

I think your maths is a bit out

30% of £50 = £15
£15 x 5 (for the 5 x 30mins each girl works per day) = £75 per day.

£75 x 3 days each girl works per week on average = £225 each girl brings in to the agency per week.

£225 x 40 girls = £9000 per week the agencies pull in.

9000 x 52 = £468,000 per year.

I don't have a source as I said in the first line all based on assumptions, may be totally wrong 

If its of any help I have been told by numerous girls during bookings the agencies cut is 30% if the girl provides the accommodation or its 50% if the girl uses an agency flat.

[MasterChief]

I think your maths is a bit out

30% of £50 = £15
£15 x 5 (for the 5 x 30mins each girl works per day) = £75 per day.

£75 x 3 days each girl works per week on average = £225 each girl brings in to the agency per week.

£225 x 40 girls = £9000 per week the agencies pull in.

9000 x 52 = £468,000 per year.
If its of any help I have been told by numerous girls during bookings the agencies cut is 30% if the girl provides the accommodation or its 50% if the girl uses an agency flat.

Exactly what I said above £468,000 a year

[ohfook1t]

the maths seemed spot on to me anth. he even got the same final figure of £468000

[AnthG]

the maths seemed spot on to me anth. he even got the same final figure of £468000

Exactly what I said above £468,000 a year

Sorry, I didn't see the second part of your maths. Just seen the £30,000 and thought you had accidentally added a naught on the end.

[MasterChief]

Bollocks I'm ranting on about agencies, not having a maths discussion

[AnthG]

3.   Services/Descriptions. In no other industry do you buy a product/service without knowing what it is. I realise the law might not be too keen on a list of services on the website and girls are ashamed of what they do so want to hide their faces, but a weekly newsletter showing girls faces and services, sent to punters who request it and/or have made and kept appointments with the girls, would be really easy to implement.

To be honest after seeing the old NG forum for the first time on the wayback machine this week. I really wish, and think Diamonds and Amour are missing a trick not offering something similar.

They could if a poster is a known confirmed punter have an extra closed off section where the punters can see unblurred face pics of the girls.

[ohfook1t]

aye they making a packet. at least amour seem to give a little back to the punter with regular competitions for free time with the girls etc. ng used to do this as well and i must say i have been lucky enough to win a prize from both agencies.  personally i think the likes if diamonds need to get there act together or shut up shop.

[MasterChief]

To be honest after seeing the old NG forum for the first time on the wayback machine this week. I really wish, and think Diamonds and Amour are missing a trick not offering something similar.

They could if a poster is a known confirmed punter have an extra closed off section where the punters can see unblurred face pics of the girls.

That would work too

Glad we are back on track, now 1+1=3 that's right isn't it? Damn been using Diamonds for too long!

[AnthG]

aye they making a packet. at least amour seem to give a little back to the punter with regular competitions for free time with the girls etc.

From what I have seen on another forum Stacey buys the condoms for the girls to use too (if they so wish, which means most likely they will wish).

Diamonds should do the same TBH as the amount of condom problems I have had with them.

[NotTooOld4It]

If its of any help I have been told by numerous girls during bookings the agencies cut is 30% if the girl provides the accommodation or its 50% if the girl uses an agency flat.

The agency girls I've met have all worked from their own place. I often ask, out of curiosity, how much they pay the agency and the answer most of the time has been £15.00 out of the £50.00 they get for a half-hour booking, and £30.00 out of the £100.00 for a full hour. So that's a straight 30% in each case. I reckon this is typical of most agencies. If any of them overcharged their girls, they'd move on.

[themademan2]

As I said before, Stacey at amour runs a tight ship there

[johnny34]

Agree with the figure of 30% agency fee.
A couple of the diamond girls have said the daily fee for use of the flat is £40, for this diamonds provide a minimum of 4 bookings. If less than 4 bookings they pay proportionally less. Nice earner on top of the figures mentioned above.

[MasterChief]

I could have quite realistically assumed that the girls work 4 days and take 8 30min appointments a day, Amour has 51 girls, work it out for yourself (just under 4 and a quarter mil turnover 30% gives agency profit of just over 1 and a quarter mil), not saying that is what they are earning, could be girls work 2 days take 2 30min a day and 20 girls on books but that is highly unlikely (200k turnover 30% gives agency profit of just over 31k), but any way you look at it they are on a good thing, its about time they earned some of that money.

[denyason]

everyone knows agencies make more money than us and on a par with footballers and ceo's.  i'm sure they money launder their cash to avoid paying the tax.  we should form our own agency and split the profits between us- its win win....with an abundance of clients on our books and some escorts too....we'll all be rich too.
Who knows if Diamonds have other agencies dotted around the uk or not.
setting up an agency is easy...get some girls, rent some locations and create a website and bob's your uncle: money, money, money!

[Bengeo13]

I knew I had seen a 1-star review recently - check out Saskia
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He's clearly misunderstood the system! Either that or heaven knows what he's asking for a 5-star
As for setting up a separate agency Denyason has made a great suggestion unless he's kidding of course? We could establish a new 'punters' charter' with a clear set of standards that we adhere to!
According to the above calculations there really should be money available to make the apartments a higher standard. A better website with a rolling calendar week on week like NNE would be better, plus more information about services offered, including removal of the 'at discretion' cop--out phrase.
I wonder what the girls would make of it? Although we're not going to get any answers on here I guess. When I see someone, especially a new girl, as part of my introductory chit-chat I often ask them about the agency. Are they being treated well, etc? Of course the newer the girl, the better the rating of the agency, but as the reality of the escorting world becomes more apparent then the remarks are not so favourable. So I think that many girls would like a cleaner, nicer environment, especially if it meant a better financial deal for them.
Morgan at Diamonds was telling me about the 'parlour' type operations that she worked at in Bury, where you can have a cuppa with the girls and then make a selection. Apparently they won't allow it up here! Seems a bit safer for everyone to me.
Let it be noted that I've got carried away a bit here, and I'm not looking to start up another agency, but it's interesting that what we (the customers) really want is not supplied by what is currently available.



 

[kingkong]

I think your maths is a bit out

30% of £50 = £15
£15 x 5 (for the 5 x 30mins each girl works per day) = £75 per day.

£75 x 3 days each girl works per week on average = £225 each girl brings in to the agency per week.

£225 x 40 girls = £9000 per week the agencies pull in.

9000 x 52 = £468,000 per year.
If its of any help I have been told by numerous girls during bookings the agencies cut is 30% if the girl provides the accommodation or its 50% if the girl uses an agency flat.

Are agencies allowed to provide the flat nowdays? I thought the girls all have to provide their own flat/house due to changes in the law, but I may have that wrong.

[MasterChief]

Pretty sure Diamonds provide the fuck pits (Or at least the ones where they are used by a different girl/girls every day)

[sesalovdarlo]

Well the owner of notorious girls (much smaller agency) prior to getting banged up. was driving around in a mazerati. Nuff said

[kingkong]

Pretty sure Diamonds provide the fuck pits (Or at least the ones where they are used by a different girl/girls every day)

Did they not get raided a while back and then start having the girls provide the incall work place to get around this?

[sesalovdarlo]

Are agencies allowed to provide the flat nowdays? I thought the girls all have to provide their own flat/house due to changes in the law, but I may have that wrong.

There has been no "Changes to the law" Selling sex is not illegal. However it is illegal to:-

1) Kerb Crawl (seen as public nuisance).
2) Socialite in public place as a prostitute.
3) Run  a brothel.

Ownership of the flat is quite irrelevant, have more than one girl working there at the same time then you have a brothel.   

[kingkong]

There has been no "Changes to the law" Selling sex is not illegal. However it is illegal to:-

1) Kerb Crawl (seen as public nuisance).
2) Socialite in public place as a prostitute.
3) Run  a brothel.

Ownership of the flat is quite irrelevant, have more than one girl working there at the same time then you have a brothel.

Thats what I mean! I think they got into trouble for having more than one girl working from the same flat. Have punted with Diamonds dozens of times, but not in ages.

[MasterChief]

Thats what I mean! I think they got into trouble for having more than one girl working from the same flat. Have punted with Diamonds dozens of times, but not in ages.

While I was still using Diamonds, they "got around" the law by having only one girl in the flat at a time, the other(s) left during your appointment so there was/is only one girl in the flat (This happened to me a few times, I often liked the look of the other girl and booked her at a later date ). Complete bollocks still legally a brothel.

[smiths]

Are agencies allowed to provide the flat nowdays? I thought the girls all have to provide their own flat/house due to changes in the law, but I may have that wrong.

There hasnt been any changes in the law. IF an Agency provide the WGs flat they can get done for running a brothel as well as controlling prositutes for gain so if they have any brains they insist the WG uses her own place or at least some place that isnt theirs or she doesnt get work off them.

[kingkong]

There hasnt been any changes in the law. IF an Agency provide the WGs flat they can get done for running a brothel as well as controlling prositutes for gain so if they have any brains they insist the WG uses her own place or at least some place that isnt theirs or she doesnt get work off them.

Thanks! that is what I thought. it is a very risky game that these agencies play.

[smiths]

While I was still using Diamonds, they "got around" the law by having only one girl in the flat at a time, the other(s) left during your appointment so there was/is only one girl in the flat (This happened to me a few times, I often liked the look of the other girl and booked her at a later date ). Complete bollocks still legally a brothel.

Absolutely still a brothel as more than 1 WG at some time be it on another day of the week uses the same premises to work out of. Just ensuring there is only 1 WG on the premises at any one time might help the pimp in the event of a raid though as being nicked pimping only 1 WG is better than pimping a number.

[smiths]

Thanks! that is what I thought. it is a very risky game that these agencies play.

Indeed, a bit less risky if they dont provide the WGs premises to work out of though than Parlours or Parties who have no choice but to run a brothel.

[smiths]

There has been no "Changes to the law" Selling sex is not illegal. However it is illegal to:-

1) Kerb Crawl (seen as public nuisance).
2) Socialite in public place as a prostitute.
3) Run  a brothel.

Ownership of the flat is quite irrelevant, have more than one girl working there at the same time then you have a brothel.

Having different WGs working out of the same premises at ANY time also makes it a brothel whether it be 1 WG or more. The only way its legal is if only 1 WG ever works out of the same premises which is why real Indies arent breaking the law.

 If the Agency is linked to the premises then in the event of a raid it can become very relevant to the police. Apart from getting nicked the police could try to go for POCA.

[smiths]

First off a couple of assumptions;
Agency takes 30% (Probably more certainly no less)
40 Girls (Diamonds 43, Amour 51)
Girls work 3 days (They work more)
5 30 min appointments in a day (That’s on the low side too)
This gives the agency a weekly turnover of 250 (5 30 min appointments) x 3 (days) x 40 (girls) or £30,000, 52 weeks makes an annual turnover of 30,000 x 52 or £1,560,000 and at 30% this gives an annual income of £468,000. Lets say they employ 2 people to answer the phones and maintain the diary 60,000 (and that is way on the high side), website costs 25,000 (again way on the high side) and office costs of another 25,000 (don’t need to say it again), all leaves 358,000, assuming they actually pay the taxes due (Corporation tax is 20% on the first 300,000 and 21% on everything else) so about £73,000 (It’s a bit less) leaving £285,000 annual profit. In reality all the incomes are higher the outgoings lower, they will not pay that amount of tax, and they will be making money off the accommodation the girls use.

Put simply they are making a packet! We have a right to expect something in return
1.   Fuck dumps, Diamonds provide unclean, barely furnished shit-holes, not fit for a dog to crap in, Amour don’t bother providing even this (legal reasons I guess). Agencies should provide or insist the girls provide reasonable accommodation, I’m not talking a million quid penthouse apartment, but a clean place with clean towels and sheets, not the current spunk, sweat and blood stained bedding and “dry yourself on the curtains” pits we find most of the girls in.
2.   Appointments. Once an appointment is made it should be kept (except in exceptional circumstances) I am not alone in Diamonds dumping me in favour of a longer appointment or favoured client https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=35160.0
3.   Services/Descriptions. In no other industry do you buy a product/service without knowing what it is. I realise the law might not be too keen on a list of services on the website and girls are ashamed of what they do so want to hide their faces, but a weekly newsletter showing girls faces and services, sent to punters who request it and/or have made and kept appointments with the girls, would be really easy to implement.
4.   Calendar. Keep the thing up-to-date, and would a rolling 5 day in advance schedule be too difficult? Would be great for us punters, I want to arrange an apt for Monday as I have some free time, but I have no idea who is working!
5.   Feedback. Can anyone point me to a single bad feedback on an Agency site? Im guessing there must be some but damned if I know where.

Diamonds are the worst offenders in my experience, Amour somewhat better but not fantastic, and the smaller ones are not ideal either, why can’t they earn some of that huge pile of cash they are making?

An Agency that uses willing WGs will take between 30 and 50% of the WGs fees. The owner could run the Agency from his or her parents back bedroom or from their car as all they need is a mobile and net access.

They could very easily make very very good money as proved by some London Agencies that have been about for years. They wouldnt still be taking the risk unless it was worth it.

[MasterChief]

Nice to see Diamonds are keeping the calendar up to date, not a single girl has any hours up LOL. Really earning your money George!