Bev and Louise four-handed massage in Nuneaton

[Celtic 69]

Spot on Hoping!
I've been asked about this forum by SP's before & act completely naive & dumb to it's existence, then ask them to explain it to me.......

[Celtic 69]

Also gents,
Regarding my post earlier today (further up the page) on legit masseuses willing to give HE after further visits & familiarity:-
Please don't start asking which ones?

As I stated, some legit masseuses are open to do it after a period of time/trust for a few regular clients but want their business to be primarily legit because they are trained massage therapist & have a fear of being exposed to all & everyone, including friends/family.
It also gives them the choice whether & who they want to provide this to.

I've been asked before to not mention it by certain massage therapist & if asked I think you should respect that, especially if the masseuse can do a good professional massage & is independent because that's her living.
That's why I think the OP hasn't done anything wrong in this thread?
I've even been asked by a couple of these masseuses to leave them a review on their official/legit sites but obviously leaving the HE out, which I have done because they say it helps their business.

Sure some of you guys have been in the same position!

Don't think I'm devaluing this forum by posting this or indeed breaking any rules, if a moderator is around feel free to let me know?

[daviemac]

Hmmm. Have you taken offence? Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out where I said you were a liar? I only made mention of the fact (not a lie) that your reviews are all relating to punts where sexual services were obtained, and you have never provided a "legit" massage review. You saw fit to challenge my post where I expressed a view that differed from another members, , yet seem offended when a I disagree with you.
The vast majority of people on this forum, appropriately titled "UK Punting", where all contributions are via a pseudonym, suggests that we are here to research and review practices that many would consider immoral.
While I fully accept that "legit" massage reviews are allowed, and may be sought by some, and as I previously posted, are probably used by many as a means to ensure they swerve them, as I do.
Surely we are all on the same side here? Many of us have different views and opinions, but that doesnt make them lies.
Finally, using terms like "I have no intention of explaining them to the likes of you" could be considered aggressive, and certainly does not help to foster the exchange of information between members.

You are questioning why none of my reviews are for legit massages implying my statement regarding legit massages is wrong and I'm telling you my reviews have nothing to do with you or what I have posted.

As a moderator I am telling you that this statement is not correct and comments like that do nothing to encourage those who seek legitimate massages to post reviews.

There cannot be a single punter on here that goes to a "legit" not hoping for a HE or something more than a "legit" massage.

This site, despite the name UKPunting is an escort and massage review site and forum, as the Twitter page indicates.

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With 1,492,042 views the NE massage thread is second highest viewed thread on the forum, the only one with more views is the Suspected AdultWork Scams with 1,741,340 so don't try to say massages aren't popular.

You can either accept what I have said as a moderator or continue to question my reviews and contributions to the forum. By all means give your opinion but don't make misleading statements.

[Placebo88]

I have little experience with massage providers but am starting to look in that direction with limited FS/escort options appealing to me right now. A strictly therapeutic massage is something I'd book for the health benefits, and I don't see it as relevant whether the practitioner is male or female under those circumstances. Personally I'd not have thought a review of such a session fitting with this site if ' legitimacy ' was not under question. Maybe the forum's diversity has widened now? I had only thought that FBSM with sexual elements was the massage domain of UKP and a thread simply naming legitimate providers who didn't offer anything sexual more relevant to the site's aims rather than full reviews of physiotherapists and the like.

[shylad57]

You are very wrong with that statement, I use both massage and escort services and if I'm going for a massage the massage is the important part, I'm not bothered if it turns out to be legit. If I end up getting a HE then it's a bonus but by no means a necessity and I'm far from alone.

The above is your original response to my post. It is a personal response about you, the services you use,  and what is important to you. You were not replying as a moderator, and it shouldnt matter if you were. Your opinion carries no more and no less weight than any other members.
Quite what the Twitter reference means I do not know, unless you are suggesting that members who visit masseurs are not really "punters". Do "punters" only see escorts then and not masseurs or visit massage parlours? Not sure that would be a popular view.
The stats you kindly provide can be interpreted in several ways. In fact the stat that the NE thread views is the second highest on the forum, could very well just prove my point. Surely everyone reads it just to see who to avoid, so thank you for providing such overwhelming evidence on my behalf.

But enough. I would think most members are bored stupid with this. I had not even noticed you were a moderator until you mentioned it. You must have bigger fish to fry, and thank you for all the time and effort you must put in on our behalf. Keep up the good work. 

[sparkus]

Simple answer to all this is never let the SP know that this site exists.  Obviously some may know but just don't advertise it.

You'd think so but sadly some (not saying OP) think it's either a special fluffy privilege or some pathetic way of gaining favour.

It's always massage SPs too.

[bonham]

Hmmm. Have you taken offence? Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out where I said you were a liar? I only made mention of the fact (not a lie) that your reviews are all relating to punts where sexual services were obtained, and you have never provided a "legit" massage review. You saw fit to challenge my post where I expressed a view that differed from another members, , yet seem offended when a I disagree with you.
The vast majority of people on this forum, appropriately titled "UK Punting", where all contributions are via a pseudonym, suggests that we are here to research and review practices that many would consider immoral.
While I fully accept that "legit" massage reviews are allowed, and may be sought by some, and as I previously posted, are probably used by many as a means to ensure they swerve them, as I do.
Surely we are all on the same side here? Many of us have different views and opinions, but that doesnt make them lies.
Finally, using terms like "I have no intention of explaining them to the likes of you" could be considered aggressive, and certainly does not help to foster the exchange of information between members.

I've posted positive legit massages and returned to them aswell. I returned to I for about 18 months. It was naked after about 4th apintment and did a superb massage but no hand relief.

[daviemac]

The above is your original response to my post. It is a personal response about you, the services you use,  and what is important to you. You were not replying as a moderator, and it shouldnt matter if you were. Your opinion carries no more and no less weight than any other members.
Quite what the Twitter reference means I do not know, unless you are suggesting that members who visit masseurs are not really "punters". Do "punters" only see escorts then and not masseurs or visit massage parlours? Not sure that would be a popular view.
The stats you kindly provide can be interpreted in several ways. In fact the stat that the NE thread views is the second highest on the forum, could very well just prove my point. Surely everyone reads it just to see who to avoid, so thank you for providing such overwhelming evidence on my behalf.

But enough. I would think most members are bored stupid with this. I had not even noticed you were a moderator until you mentioned it. You must have bigger fish to fry, and thank you for all the time and effort you must put in on our behalf. Keep up the good work. 

Still arguing the toss.     To start with like I said before your statement that "there cannot be a single punter on here that goes to a "legit" not hoping for a HE or something more than a "legit" massage." is not correct and that is not an opinion it is fact.

I don't believe for one minute you have read all 9,305 posts on the NE massage thread let alone any of the 6 pages of massage reviews so you are not in a position to interpret anything.

Massage reviews, legit or not, are welcome on here and need to be encouraged so the best advice I can give you is accept that is the case, accept that this is an escort and massage review site, stop posting your opinion as fact and  forget about trying to be a smart arse.

[shylad57]

Thank you for your elequent response.

[Placebo88]

Also gents,
Regarding my post earlier today (further up the page) on legit masseuses willing to give HE after further visits & familiarity:-

As I stated, some legit masseuses are open to do it after a period of time/trust for a few regular clients but want their business to be primarily legit because they are trained massage therapist & have a fear of being exposed to all & everyone, including friends/family.
It also gives them the choice whether & who they want to provide this to.

I've been asked before to not mention it by certain massage therapist & if asked I think you should respect that, especially if the masseuse can do a good professional massage & is independent because that's her living.
I've even been asked by a couple of these masseuses to leave them a review on their official/legit sites but obviously leaving the HE out, which I have done because they say it helps their business.

Sure some of you guys have been in the same position!

This can apply with escorts too regarding certain services which may be at discretion or only available when they are more familiar with the customer. For me these are safer to leave out of a review as they may/do not apply to punters new to that escort. Sometimes OK to elaborate on in discussion with provisos and some common sense included.

If a massage provider who offered extras asked for the extras not to be mentioned and you honoured that request I'd see no point in reviewing on UKP as you would be providing misinformation on an issue key to many/most readers.

The following is straight from the site rules and seems to be implicitly saying that sex workers alone are the realm of reviews on this site:

4 Reviews
A new review thread can only be created once a service provider has agreed to a booking. A meeting does not need to occur, and money does not need to change hands. The only criteria are that she had accepted the initial booking. Members can post more than one review about an SP, but touting will result in a ban. Reviews are allowed up to 6 months ( for new members, this rule is currently relaxed to 12 months)after the event(positive or negative)
Only one sex worker can be the subject of a review, not a whole agency/establishment/ brothel. The exception is sex parties, duos etc. and massage establishments where providers do not have names.
Reviews must contain a link, contact details or address (if publicized by the service provider).

[JontyR]

I've reviewed legit massage on here - and returned -  and I have to say that although there was never any hint of sensuality at all they have been mongst my most memorable and enjoyable paid for experiences.

The massages may not have relieved me of my blob, but they did relieve me for an extended period of every concious thought. All the stresses, pressures and worries of the world were removed and I was left with a feeling that can only be descibed as euphoric.

In these instances the WSWS aspect may actually have been detrimental to the whole experience. 

[daviemac]

The following is straight from the site rules and seems to be implicitly saying that sex workers alone are the realm of reviews on this site:

Despite my post above you are also posting incorrect information and 90125 has already pointed out on another thread that forum helpers should be conversant with the rules.

Yet again I will say it, reviews of legitimate massages are welcome and should be encouraged and members should not be put off by a pedantic twat's misinterpretation of the rules. The rule is 1 service provider per review as forum helpers should know, no matter what the wording is.

Edit

Try reading and highlighting the first line of the rule on reviews.

4 Reviews
A new review thread can only be created once a service provider has agreed to a booking.

[sparkus]

Despite my post above you are also posting incorrect information and 90125 has already pointed out on another thread that forum helpers should be conversant with the rules.

Yet again I will say it, reviews of legitimate massages are welcome and should be encouraged and members should not be put off by a pedantic twat's misinterpretation of the rules. The rule is 1 service provider per review as forum helpers should know, no matter what the wording is.

Edit

Try reading and highlighting the first line of the rule on reviews.

4 Reviews
A new review thread can only be created once a service provider has agreed to a booking.

I was a bit sceptical at first about including them but TBH I was being a tool about it and the intel really does present a rounded and valuable element for us FBSM fans.

Not only that but there are SPs who used to provide HEs and b2bs but have "gone legit", several of us actually do wonder what the services are like without all the trimmings.

[Bhammale39]

I’ve been intrigued by the back and forth in the thread, and see the merits of both sides. Ultimately this site (imo) is for the benefit of the ‘punter’ I’d be very interested to see a full and Frank review from Rajec, that is of course his prerogative!

All in all I’d imagine this ‘publicity’ and discussion will be working to the benefit of the SP’s…

[WDFORTE]

I’ve been intrigued by the back and forth in the thread, and see the merits of both sides.

I can't.  It's pointless arguing with a Moderator (with all due respect).  Just apologise and move on.  You're never gonna win or get the upper hand.
Least said soon as mended.

[finn5555]

I can't.  It's pointless arguing with a Moderator (with all due respect).  Just apologise and move on.  You're never gonna win or get the upper hand.
Least said soon as mended.

You have every right to challenge a moderator they do an amazing  job but they are not beyond reproach 

[Placebo88]

I can't.  It's pointless arguing with a Moderator (with all due respect).  Just apologise and move on.  You're never gonna win or get the upper hand.
Least said soon as mended.

I cannot see this as anything more than a discussion between members over a subjective side line. Just a mutual sharing of personal opinions. I don't mind whether or not such reviews are posted, they may even prove useful for me as I'd almost always take a skilled massage without extras over a farce followed by a handjob.

[daviemac]

You have every right to challenge a moderator they do an amazing  job but they are not beyond reproach 

Of course everyone has the right to challenge a moderator, however the rules are the rules, they are not an opinion they are fact. I have explained the rule on legit massage reviews several times on this thread yet we still have people misquoting the rules and debating the merits of both sides. There is no 'both sides' legit massage reviews are welcome if people don't like it then don't read them.

[RAJEC]

Every time I read new messages on this thread, I forget what I the op was all about 

I think I’ll review but only the advertised services 

[surfman]

Having now made a visit here because of the reviews I can add my 4 penny worth.

The massage is performed in the garage of the private house. When you are in there, on the walls are the usual qualification certificates in the name of Louise. I will review my experience for the visit separately.

I believe it is Louise who does the 2 hand massage and will do it naked and offer hand relief but nothing else. Touching allowed on the bum, boobs and legs. When it is the 4 hand, then its Bev who joins in. Neither will take their clothes off and louise does the HE.

Louise does and Bev does not.