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Author Topic: Smartphone Maps - security warning to watch out for  (Read 2625 times)

Offline Barry Shipton

This is a problem with the Maps app on iPhones but may also be an issue on Android and Windows phones as they all lift each other's features.

I always get a girl or agency to text or email an address complete with postcode so I can plan and time my journey on my TomTom (deleting recent addresses afterwards of course).

So I message a regular for a booking from my private 'punting' email, she's working from a new apartment and sends the address.

Go to the Maps app to check - it's already there! Listed in the address book (icon top right) complete with her working name all extracted from her email. Thankfully she's not called Dirtycumslut69 but it wasn't Fred Smith either.

Unknown to me, Maps monitors your email and I think text inboxes too, recognises address formats and helpfully lists them for you.

Normally apps ask for permission to access things like your address book and email when you install them but Maps is part of iOS so it searches them by default and it can't be deleted. I've checked the privacy and app settings but can't find any way to disable this feature.

Lesson learned - delete the Maps address book every time you get a new address - luckily once deleted it doesn't restore them from old emails otherwise it would leave a nice detective trail of dodgy names and working flats.

And if you use other map apps Google is even more lax with your private data. Google Maps keeps insisting I link it to my Gmail address - yes, the private 'punting' one!

Lesson learned - never use Gmail for your 'private' email otherwise every bloody Google app keeps advertising it.

So before ParisB adds this to her Mumsnet tips on how to catch a cheating bastard, add this to your post-punt security 'clean up' checklist.

Otherwise just stick to AW messages, punting phone texts or phone calls. Apologies if this one has already been mentioned but caused me a shock so probably worth a reminder anyway.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 09:38:22 AM by Barry Shipton »

Offline smiths

This is a problem with the Maps app on iPhones but may also be an issue on Android and Windows phones as they all lift each other's features.

I always get a girl or agency to text or email an address complete with postcode so I can plan and time my journey on my TomTom (deleting recent addresses afterwards of course).

So I message a regular for a booking from my private 'punting' email, she's working from a new apartment and sends the address.

Go to the Maps app to check - it's already there! Listed in the address book (icon top right) complete with her working name all extracted from her email. Thankfully she's not called Dirtycumslut69 but it wasn't Fred Smith either.

Unknown to me, Maps monitors your email and I think text inboxes too, recognises address formats and helpfully lists them for you.

Normally apps ask for permission to access things like your address book and email when you install them but Maps is part of iOS so it searches them by default and it can't be deleted. I've checked the privacy and app settings but can't find any way to disable this feature.

Lesson learned - delete the Maps address book every time you get a new address - luckily once deleted it doesn't restore them from old emails otherwise it would leave a nice detective trail of dodgy names and working flats.

And if you use other map apps Google is even more lax with your private data. Google Maps keeps insisting I link it to my Gmail address - yes, the private 'punting' one!

Lesson learned - never use Gmail for your 'private' email otherwise every bloody Google app keeps advertising it.

So before ParisB adds this to her Mumsnet tips on how to catch a cheating bastard, add this to your post-punt security 'clean up' checklist.

Otherwise just stick to AW messages, punting phone texts or phone calls. Apologies if this one has already been mentioned but caused me a shock so probably worth a reminder anyway.

Good information Barry, in my view its always handy to let punters know about these kind of things. Every time these warnings get posted up re-enforces i am best to stick with my very basic Nokia puntng phone, not actually needing a smartphone for punting. :thumbsup:

Offline akauya

Better still, use a basic non-smartphone pay-as-you-go punting phone. No maps, no emails, no gps, no tracking, no problems.


Edit: Smiths beat me to it :)

Offline smiths

Better still, use a basic non-smartphone pay-as-you-go punting phone. No maps, no emails, no gps, no tracking, no problems.


Edit: Smiths beat me to it :)

 :thumbsup: :D

Curious6705

Good advice.

I find Google and Apple maps very useful for punting - but I get postcodes sent to my punting phone not something that will run a maps app. It's the work of a moment to type a postcode texted to my punting phone into a private browsing session on a "smart device" and I can preview an unfamiliar route, building up a memory of how landmarks look along the way, and an overall memory of relevant maps.

Offline CBPaul

Good and valuable post Barry. Some very worrying features on smart phones, too bloody smart for my liking !

As others have said, it shows why a basic payg phone is best for punting if you need to be careful and preserve anonymity.

Offline Taggart

I read this and was concerned after checking the history on my iphone's maps, as it showed a couple of suspect addresses.

However, try the following:

with a map open, select the book symbol, top right.
On next screen, at bottom select recents, then select 'CLEAR' top left.

Problem apparently solved....

Offline Dani

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Weird my Iphones must not be working properly as I have checked maps on both and neither have any addresses stored at all and I actually have to save an address if I want it to be listed.
Am I missing something or looking in the wrong bit?
I should have dozens in there as I have used it to get me to quite a few places but don't have a single address in there bar the ones I have actually clicked on save

Offline JV547845

Don't you get a choice of profiles on a smart phone, which you can password protect?  Don't they have an equivalent to porn mode (control+shift+n (or p))?  Won't the mumsnet lot be mortified if they accidentally find out about that surprise wedding anniversary present their husbands spent ages choosing ;-)?

Offline Daffodil


Offline Taggart

Weird my Iphones must not be working properly as I have checked maps on both and neither have any addresses stored at all and I actually have to save an address if I want it to be listed.
Am I missing something or looking in the wrong bit?
I should have dozens in there as I have used it to get me to quite a few places but don't have a single address in there bar the ones I have actually clicked on save

Dani - may depend on your phone model and software. Mine's a 5 running on iOS 7.1.2
But you may be looking at something different too.

Offline Taggart

Don't you get a choice of profiles on a smart phone, which you can password protect?  Don't they have an equivalent to porn mode (control+shift+n (or p))?  Won't the mumsnet lot be mortified if they accidentally find out about that surprise wedding anniversary present their husbands spent ages choosing ;-)?

Not that I am aware of on an iPhone. Maybe on an android/windows as that matches their PC op system.

Offline Anadin

This doesn't seem to happen on my Android phone but I set google not to monitor my search history so I suspect helps, not that I'd ever give up my smartphone for anything.

Offline Barry Shipton

Dani - may depend on your phone model and software. Mine's a 5 running on iOS 7.1.2
But you may be looking at something different too.
Yes mine is on the latest version of iOS 7.1.2 - didn't notice this little feature with earlier versions so be careful when you update.

Wish there were alternative 'porn' and 'porn free' profiles on iPhones as I also have a Twitter account which if I forget to log out of - even if I have switched it to my 'ordinary' account - puts dozens of escort and porn weblinks in the 'shared links' section of my Safari browser bookmarks. Another little incriminating feature you can't turn off!
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 04:00:05 PM by Barry Shipton »

Curious6705

Yes mine is on the latest version of iOS 7.1.2 - didn't notice this little feature with earlier versions so be careful when you update.

Wish there were alternative 'porn' and 'porn free' profiles on iPhones as I also have a Twitter account which if I forget to log out of - even if I have switched it to my 'ordinary' account - puts dozens of escort and porn weblinks in the 'shared links' section of my Safari browser bookmarks. Another little incriminating feature you can't turn off!

Is there not some kind of app that will do this sort of thing for you?

Any access I make to adult content on my iPhone I do using the Chrome browser in Incognito mode - I don't use Safari for anything like that.

Offline ass_inspector

Never ever experienced such an issue in IOS that maps can monitor e-mail content but any address with post code it can find from searching content even not tracked by maps.

Offline Barry Shipton

Is there not some kind of app that will do this sort of thing for you?

Any access I make to adult content on my iPhone I do using the Chrome browser in Incognito mode - I don't use Safari for anything like that.
I never access adult content on Safari, even though it now has a private mode, I have three other browsers including Chrome which are better for private mode. But you can't delete Safari or switch off the feature that allows it to search all your social media apps for shared links - so all web links on my 'private' Twitter account show up if I forget to delete the account completely.

Never ever experienced such an issue in IOS that maps can monitor e-mail content but any address with post code it can find from searching content even not tracked by maps.

Think that's using Searchlight mode - but I switched that off for email, notes and texts years back when I found it discovering embarrassing emails, even ones that had been deleted and didn't exist! When you clicked on them it couldn't find them but it somehow still stored the text and showed enough to be incriminating.

I'd recommend turning off Spotlight Search, it's in - Settings/General/Spotlight Search - tap on the little blue tick next to each app name like email to stop it searching those areas.

But somehow Maps finds every postcode even without Spotlight - Apple must have coded it in, great feature but like someone on hear said, smartphones are becoming too bloody smart!

Offline sam55

I think that all this just reiterates the need for a very basic punting phone that isn't going to remember anything.

Curious6705

I never access adult content on Safari, even though it now has a private mode, I have three other browsers including Chrome which are better for private mode. But you can't delete Safari or switch off the feature that allows it to search all your social media apps for shared links - so all web links on my 'private' Twitter account show up if I forget to delete the account completely.

Interesting. I've avoiding joining social media sites because I'm concerned about privacy - not just of punting info. Every Mobile software maker seems to delight in making "sharing" as easy as possible.

Offline willbred

Good information Barry, in my view its always handy to let punters know about these kind of things. Every time these warnings get posted up re-enforces i am best to stick with my very basic Nokia puntng phone, not actually needing a smartphone for punting. :thumbsup:

+1
I'm about to enter the 21st C and get a smart phone for my work, but have already lined up a £9 PAYG from Tesco for the punting
Banning reason: Multiple accounts (willbred, Diplomat65)

Offline JV547845

Wish there were alternative 'porn' and 'porn free' profiles on iPhones

You're probably out of luck.  Steve Jobs himself did say “Folks who want porn can buy an Android phone.“.  Maybe now he's gone Apple will diversify their marketting.  The internet already came up with the perfect name: Fapple.

Offline iPad3

I think all of the above adds huge weight to the punting phone argument as said above.

I access all adult info via a password protected secret browser on my iphone but any contact or calls are via the punting phone.

I use google maps to find places but only ever enter postcodes manually and purposely do not sign into google maps as you'll find all locations entered stored and spread all over the place, this stops the OH finding a list of locations you've searched and asking awkward questions.

Offline smiths

+1
I'm about to enter the 21st C and get a smart phone for my work, but have already lined up a £9 PAYG from Tesco for the punting

Very wise mate. :thumbsup:

Offline Wowgeek

It doesn't matter which phone you use to make the calls, if your iPhone is with you, or in the car nearby, your history will be recorded unless you have specifically disabled it.

Go to 'settings >privacy>location services>System services>frequent locations' and there is a list at the bottom of the page. If you have England, which is quite likely, click on it and you will get a map of everywhere you have been.

I can hear the sound of 'delete history' all over the UK now ;-)

Curious6705

It doesn't matter which phone you use to make the calls, if your iPhone is with you, or in the car nearby, your history will be recorded unless you have specifically disabled it.

Go to 'settings >privacy>location services>System services>frequent locations' and there is a list at the bottom of the page. If you have England, which is quite likely, click on it and you will get a map of everywhere you have been.

I can hear the sound of 'delete history' all over the UK now ;-)

Strange - I've just looked at mine and all it shows is my home location.


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