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Online Dark Vader

Both parties need to change their leader. Shit the conservatives have been up to, labour should just need to turn up to win but I actually believe little Rishi Sunak could beat the wet blanket Starmer he's that dull.

Offline Blackpool Rock

So hard to make out what Rishi is saying with that music blaring out, much as I can see the funny side of it it also fucks things up for Millions of people who want to listen to what's being said whatever their political persuasion  :unknown:

I'm guessing there was a message in the music with it being Things can only get better which was the Labour soundtrack from their 97 landslide election win.

Problem is that every time any MP gets interviewed around Parliament you can't hear the interview as some twat is shouting through a megaphone etc  :dash:
I guess that 40 or 50 years ago the Rozzers would have quickly kicked the shit out of both the equipment and the people causing the disruption but of course now there are cameras everywhere and people have "Rights"
Democracy eh but what about other peoples rights to hear what being said  :unknown:

Online Dick Cheese

So hard to make out what Rishi is saying with that music blaring out, much as I can see the funny side of it it also fucks things up for Millions of people who want to listen to what's being said whatever their political persuasion  :unknown:

I'm guessing there was a message in the music with it being Things can only get better which was the Labour soundtrack from their 97 landslide election win.

Problem is that every time any MP gets interviewed around Parliament you can't hear the interview as some twat is shouting through a megaphone etc  :dash:
I guess that 40 or 50 years ago the Rozzers would have quickly kicked the shit out of both the equipment and the people causing the disruption but of course now there are cameras everywhere and people have "Rights"
Democracy eh but what about other peoples rights to hear what being said  :unknown:
It's that twat Steve Bray as usual

Online JontyR

Democracy eh but what about other peoples rights to hear what being said  :unknown:

Why did he have to be outside in the street?

If I am on the phone to someone I go somewhere where I can hear and be heard. You think if you are going to be addressing the whole nation you'd do the same?

Offline Blackpool Rock

Why did he have to be outside in the street?

If I am on the phone to someone I go somewhere where I can hear and be heard. You think if you are going to be addressing the whole nation you'd do the same?
Starmer did  :drinks:

Offline webpunter

Problem is that every time any MP gets interviewed around Parliament you can't hear the interview as some twat is shouting through a megaphone etc  :dash:
I guess that 40 or 50 years ago the Rozzers would have quickly kicked the shit out of both the equipment and the people causing the disruption but of course now there are cameras everywhere and people have "Rights"
Democracy eh but what about other peoples rights to hear what being said  :unknown:

Thats what The Special Patrol Group was for  :hi:

Offline Rock123

I'll proudly be voting for Labour and to get rid of these bunch of clowns who have decimated our country.

Offline badsin

I'll proudly be voting for Labour and to get rid of these bunch of clowns who have decimated our country.

Tend to agree regards the clown's. Although we then getting another troop of clowns in to cock everything up .....
As George Galloway says, two cheek's of the same arse.
Seemingly nothing will change :(
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Offline Blackpool Rock

Tend to agree regards the clown's. Although we then getting another troop of clowns in to cock everything up .....
As George Galloway says, two cheek's of the same arse.
Seemingly nothing will change :(
And Galloway is the PITA Haemorrhoid in the middle  :drinks:

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Offline badsin

And Galloway is the PITA Haemorrhoid in the middle  :drinks:
I don't like him either, but his description is spot on.

Online mills_and_bhuna

I'll proudly be voting for Labour and to get rid of these bunch of clowns who have decimated our country.
Proudly?
Jeez are you in for a crushing disappointment........

Online mills_and_bhuna

And Galloway is the PITA Haemorrhoid in the middle  :drinks:
The truth hurts doesn't it?

Offline webpunter

What Vivian's hamster  :unknown:  :D

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Quality, well remembered  :D
Can you imagine the BBC showing this nowadays, i think not

The SPG were a deterrent for people not to go on demos & behaving like a bunch of entitled self serving cunts with their thick as fuck supporters
They get battered, arrested banged up overnight & if they are lucky not charged & told to fuck off before the rozzers changed their mind

Offline Blackpool Rock

Quality, well remembered  :D
Can you imagine the BBC showing this nowadays, i think not

The SPG were a deterrent for people not to go on demos & behaving like a bunch of entitled self serving cunts with their thick as fuck supporters
They get battered, arrested banged up overnight & if they are lucky not charged & told to fuck off before the rozzers changed their mind
It's on the iplayer, I watched it about 18 months ago and it's still in my watch list, a bit dated these days but good to reminisce  :drinks:

Offline Blackpool Rock

They just showed the clip again of John Swinney saying that the chosen election date of 4th July is disrespectful to Scotland as it's the 1st week of the school holidays up there.
Sorry but i'm not really getting it, can someone please explain how that's disrespectful to anyone  :unknown:
OK so the logic is probably that some people will have left the country to go on holiday however you can vote by post or by proxy though i'm not sure if you would have time to apply for one now and get it within the next 6 weeks  :unknown:
Edit - The link indicates you can apply for a postal vote up to 11 working days before the vote so shouldn't be any issue on timing and a proxy vote is 6 working days before

At least the Scottish football fans should WILL be home in time to vote in person as their last game is the 23rd June so 11 days to stagger home   :rolleyes:  :drinks:

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Offline Blackpool Rock

Just been on the news that Nigel Farage won't be standing for Reform in the GE though he looks to be open to campaigning for them, there was reference to the US election later this year and that's what he is concentrating on campaigning for Trump  :dash: I guess that's where the big payoff is  :unknown:

They did just say that for Tories who are concerned about bleeding votes to Reform it's good news as without Farage galvanising as much support then they will keep some of those votes
Love him or hate him Farage is a marmite character who does have people who will follow him wherever he goes and whoever he represents in the same way that Boris and Trump also have loyal followers

Offline Followyourdick

Just been on the news that Nigel Farage won't be standing for Reform in the GE though he looks to be open to campaigning for them, there was reference to the US election later this year and that's what he is concentrating on campaigning for Trump  :dash: I guess that's where the big payoff is  :unknown:

They did just say that for Tories who are concerned about bleeding votes to Reform it's good news as without Farage galvanising as much support then they will keep some of those votes
Love him or hate him Farage is a marmite character who does have people who will follow him wherever he goes and whoever he represents in the same way that Boris and Trump also have loyal followers
Him and trump are 2 peas in a pod, both fucking bent bastards in it for themselves, cunts the pair of em, and as for Johnson.....

Offline Blackpool Rock

Got the news on in the background and picking up various things as it's wall to wall election stuff, i'm assuming it's some Labour politician but he raised the question why Sunak has chosen to go to the polls so early when he could have done it in 6 or 7 months time  :unknown:

The Tories are well behind in the polls and look set to take a hammering but as Sunak claims on the back of the latest inflation figures things are getting better
So why as the other guy points out, if things are getting better why doesn't he wait another 6 months for the upturn in fortunes to start feeding through so that people actually feel the positive improvements and are more likely to vote Tory, they surely couldn't lose any more votes in that time frame  :unknown:

Basically Sunak can't honestly think or believe that people will feel any better off in the next 6 months  :unknown:

Offline sparkus

The truth hurts doesn't it?

He'll be out on his arse on July 5th.  Back to Putin worship channels and bellowing on the internet.

Online mills_and_bhuna

Quality, well remembered  :D
Can you imagine the BBC showing this nowadays, i think not

The SPG were a deterrent for people not to go on demos & behaving like a bunch of entitled self serving cunts with their thick as fuck supporters
They get battered, arrested banged up overnight & if they are lucky not charged & told to fuck off before the rozzers changed their mind
Spoken like a true fascist....

Online mills_and_bhuna

He'll be out on his arse on July 5th.  Back to Putin worship channels and bellowing on the internet.
Possibly. Putin worship channels? LOL.
I take it you're quite happy with the range of political discourse and debate that passes for democracy in the UK then.
Tories jumping ship to join 'Labour'.
Labour expelling anyone remotely Socialist.
Liberal Democrats and Greens picking up significant numbers of votes but no seats.
And the official Tory Party just waiting in the wings for the rails to come off Starmer's Tory tribute act.
Rinse and repeat.

Offline timsussex

On our local BBC news they asked residents what they thought of the decision to call an election
One guy commented "what a prat - standing in the rain without an umbrella No wonder he can't run the country!"

Offline jackdaw

On our local BBC news they asked residents what they thought of the decision to call an election
One guy commented "what a prat - standing in the rain without an umbrella No wonder he can't run the country!"

But you can’t win on the umbrella front.

Remember the battering Steve MacClaren got for “not being man enough to brave the rain”?He never lived down the “Wally with the brolly” headlines.

Offline nwluvit

I bet Sunak's favourite song is not
"Why does it always rain on me!"


Offline Blackpool Rock

But you can’t win on the umbrella front.

Remember the battering Steve MacClaren got for “not being man enough to brave the rain”?He never lived down the “Wally with the brolly” headlines.
Yeah agree on the no win thing but standing getting wet just doesn't look good and I couldn't help but think Sunak announces the election and it's pissing down, yeah a bit like the state of the country

I did sit watching and wondered why the hell they don't have some sort of pop up gazebo / cover to stand under, i'm sure they had this set up for some of the covid stuff that was done outside  :unknown:

Offline DastardlyDick

Quality, well remembered  :D
Can you imagine the BBC showing this nowadays, i think not

Or this
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Offline akauya

Yeah agree on the no win thing but standing getting wet just doesn't look good and I couldn't help but think Sunak announces the election and it's pissing down, yeah a bit like the state of the country



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Offline webpunter

  :D Classic. So well written, performed and delivered.

It certainly is
A great find @DD  :hi:

Soon as it started i remembered it
"walking on the cracks in the pavements"
"walking around with an offensive wife"
"there's no room for men like you in my force Savage, i'm transferring you to the SPG"
An inocuous post bout the SPG & comedy gold is the result  :thumbsup:

 

Offline jackdaw

Yeah agree on the no win thing but standing getting wet just doesn't look good and I couldn't help but think Sunak announces the election and it's pissing down, yeah a bit like the state of the country

I did sit watching and wondered why the hell they don't have some sort of pop up gazebo / cover to stand under, i'm sure they had this set up for some of the covid stuff that was done outside  :unknown:

Maybe PR team have departed for new jobs, following the example set by Tory MPs? It’s basic survival skill to get off sinking ship quickly.

What are the odds of Bojo making comeback as opposition leader after the election? Or has he already joined the exodus?

Online JontyR

What a true Patriot Farage is.

And how interesting to see how he finds it appropriate for an unelected foreigner to involve themselves in domestic nations politics.

I'm sure its all piurely self-less and altruistic.

Online petermisc

What are the odds of Bojo making comeback as opposition leader after the election? Or has he already joined the exodus?
When they lose this election, the Tories will inevitably engage in several years of infighting, meaning that they are likely to lose the next election as well.  As happened when the long-term Thatcher/Major government were booted out (and similarly the long-term Blair/Brown government).  Whoever replaces Sunak will be doomed to oblivion, as happened to the immediate successors to Major and Brown, which is why no-one stood against Sunak after the local elections.  Bojo would be a fool to stand again for leader now - better to wait until the infighting has stopped, and the Tories look electable again.

Bojo is deeply divisive for the Tory party, much like Thatcher was after she was toppled.  There are those who idolise him, and those who see him as a liability.   However, people have short memories, and if the Tories lose enough elections, and get desperate enough, I could see them turning to him again.

I am waiting to see what Gove does.  If he stands, he is bound to lose, as the Bojo fan-club will never accept him.  But he may calculate that if he stands, and then graciously makes way for the preferred candidate, he may get a reasonably plum job in return, enabling him to keep a relatively high public profile.  Whereas if he doesn't stand, he will probably sink from sight.


Offline Blackpool Rock

What a true Patriot Farage is.

And how interesting to see how he finds it appropriate for an unelected foreigner to involve themselves in domestic nations politics.

I'm sure its all piurely self-less and altruistic.
Good point  :drinks:

Offline Blackpool Rock

When they lose this election, the Tories will inevitably engage in several years of infighting, meaning that they are likely to lose the next election as well.  As happened when the long-term Thatcher/Major government were booted out (and similarly the long-term Blair/Brown government).  Whoever replaces Sunak will be doomed to oblivion, as happened to the immediate successors to Major and Brown, which is why no-one stood against Sunak after the local elections.  Bojo would be a fool to stand again for leader now - better to wait until the infighting has stopped, and the Tories look electable again.

Bojo is deeply divisive for the Tory party, much like Thatcher was after she was toppled.  There are those who idolise him, and those who see him as a liability.   However, people have short memories, and if the Tories lose enough elections, and get desperate enough, I could see them turning to him again.

I am waiting to see what Gove does.  If he stands, he is bound to lose, as the Bojo fan-club will never accept him.  But he may calculate that if he stands, and then graciously makes way for the preferred candidate, he may get a reasonably plum job in return, enabling him to keep a relatively high public profile.  Whereas if he doesn't stand, he will probably sink from sight.
Not ruling it out then  :rolleyes:

Offline timsussex

When they lose this election, the Tories will inevitably engage in several years of infighting, meaning that they are likely to lose the next election as well.  As happened when the long-term Thatcher/Major government were booted out (and similarly the long-term Blair/Brown government)
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After Thatcher they were up against a true leader in Blair - Not that I liked him - but he was a consumate politician with a united party. He also had an able lieutenant
Starmer is far from that and labour while not the shambles of the Corbin years are far from a cohesive
group and Rayner is already out of her depth - she is a destroyer not a builder
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After Thatcher they were up against a true leader in Blair - Not that I liked him - but he was a consumate politician with a united party. He also had an able lieutenant
Starmer is far from that and labour while not the shambles of the Corbin years are far from a cohesive
group and Rayner is already out of her depth - she is a destroyer not a builder

I think Reeves is good as is Wes Streeting.

Rayner I listened to in a longer format interview and she came over really well.  If they get into power i wonder if she might surprise us by being quite effective. 

Offline pbrown355

If she did it would very much surprise me.

Offline anyfucker

They just showed the clip again of John Swinney saying that the chosen election date of 4th July is disrespectful to Scotland as it's the 1st week of the school holidays up there.
...

American Independence Day - he's taking the piss

Online JontyR

Rayner I listened to in a longer format interview and she came over really well.  If they get into power i wonder if she might surprise us by being quite effective.
If anything happened to Starmer; Rayner, rightly or wrongly, wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the buttons. Anymore than John Prescott was.

Or in the Tory party Oliver Dowden. Or Kamala Harris in the US.

Deputy or vice positions are often a sop to a particular sector in the parties concerned. A seat at the table for a view point.

There is a universe somewhere out there where Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper have been prime minister for years with Jeremy Corbyn as a long standing and respected deputy leader.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Yeah agree on the no win thing but standing getting wet just doesn't look good and I couldn't help but think Sunak announces the election and it's pissing down, yeah a bit like the state of the country

I did sit watching and wondered why the hell they don't have some sort of pop up gazebo / cover to stand under, i'm sure they had this set up for some of the covid stuff that was done outside  :unknown:
Just caught a bit of Starmers speech in Scotland and he referenced something about Sunak claiming to be the man with the plan stood out in the rain without an umbrella  :lol:
It got a giggle from the crowd too  :D

Offline sparkus

Possibly. Putin worship channels? LOL.
I take it you're quite happy with the range of political discourse and debate that passes for democracy in the UK then.
Tories jumping ship to join 'Labour'.
Labour expelling anyone remotely Socialist.
Liberal Democrats and Greens picking up significant numbers of votes but no seats.
And the official Tory Party just waiting in the wings for the rails to come off Starmer's Tory tribute act.
Rinse and repeat.

I'd actually favour a proportional election system on principle, not least as the current system forces the two main parties to adopt dull positions then occasionally veer off into extremes every so often (Corbyn, Truss).

However Galloway in recent years has only got in at by-elections using quirks of the existing system.

I have family in Spain and their elected local politicians (under PR) are the far right Vox Party, so the British system does at least keep the far right out (while also forcing the Tories to pander to it).

Offline DastardlyDick

I'm sure its all piurely self-less and altruistic.
I suspect it's more to do with the previous 7 times he's stood for elected office only to be told to "do one" at he ballot box  :lol:

Offline Blackpool Rock

I suspect it's more to do with the previous 7 times he's stood for elected office only to be told to "do one" at he ballot box  :lol:
Yet his sniping about Europe for so many years helped stoke up enough bad feeling and discontent in the Tory party about it (As if they needed any) and lay the bedrock for the Brexit vote

Never a UK MP however his effect is massive, in fact just for that 1 change that he helped create he's potentially as influential as Thatcher was in changing the country and shaping the future  :unknown:

Tail that wagged the dog  :thumbsdown:

Offline ulstersubbie



There is a universe somewhere out there where Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper have been prime minister for years with Jeremy Corbyn as a long standing and respected deputy leader.

Yes I remember that old episode of the Twilight Zone, a fun watch.    :D

Online WARSZAWA16

There does seems to be rather a lot of apathy though, so suspect this General Election could well have the worst turnout since Nish Kumar's last tour...
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I'd actually favour a proportional election system on principle, not least as the current system forces the two main parties to adopt dull positions then occasionally veer off into extremes every so often (Corbyn, Truss).

However Galloway in recent years has only got in at by-elections using quirks of the existing system.

I have family in Spain and their elected local politicians (under PR) are the far right Vox Party, so the British system does at least keep the far right out (while also forcing the Tories to pander to it).
Corbyn is extreme?
Seriously?

Online mills_and_bhuna

Just caught a bit of Starmers speech in Scotland and he referenced something about Sunak claiming to be the man with the plan stood out in the rain without an umbrella  :lol:
It got a giggle from the crowd too  :D
My condolences.
THE most boring man in world politics.
And possibly the most insincere.

Offline sparkus

Corbyn is extreme?
Seriously?

In electoral terms his agenda was never going to fly really.
And again another who goes weak at the knees for Putin.
So, yes.