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Author Topic: Paying Up Front? Or Perhaps Not......  (Read 4106 times)

Offline Outcallguy

What a load of guff.

Why's paying the end a load of guff?
I was just voicing my experience.

I don't expect to finish a months work and have my boss say "what you don't expect me to pay for that do you?"
And in exactly the same way, I'd never not pay a girl at the end, because it's just not the done thing.

As someone has pointed out there's a minority who make the world a worse of place for the rest of us.
I'm sure they are the same people who leave restaurants without paying, and the like...

Offline socks



Some girls make it difficult though as it's them that have got stuck into me before I've even got my coat off. One had me pinned to the bed before I had chance to get my hand in my pocket. And I ain't God's gift by any stretch......


I find it quite awkward especially when on a first visit, that the girl gets straight into it. I quite like the routine of saying hello, handing over the cash, little bit of small talk etc. It gives me time to catch my breath, triple check in my mind that I've freshened my breath, not got too sweaty an arse, don't need a piss (unless it's a WS session of course), remind myself again of what I want to do with her and so on. Never paid at the end cos I've always made the time at the start in this, let's call it the settling in period. Having said that the next time a reg dives straight in I'm resolving to go with it and see how long it takes for her to "remind" me of my obligation. I'm aiming to achieve an as I'm about to leave "fuck me (whoever) we've forgotten the paperwork"

sash

dare i say but I echo Outcallguy's earlier comment.
girls that take funds at the end are the ones that provide the most relaxed and probably best service.

I tend to leave the money in plain sight on a table. The girls rarely ask and in-fact 3 of them have actually got to the door in the morning and forgot to pick up the money - sound ridiculous but I had to call two of them back! they have become regulars, so maybe they are relaxed.

with incalls, they always ask for the money first. Only one well known girl Cisco/others and I have commented on, snogs the life out of you on entry, so no chance of giving her money - again, guess she got to know me/us regulars.


Offline Jimmyredcab

And in exactly the same way, I'd never not pay a girl at the end, because it's just not the done thing.



You may think that but not all punters are so honest, once the guy has emptied his bollocks there is always the risk that he will default.

Any girl who doesn't insist on pre-payment from new clients is taking a huge gamble  :thumbsdown:

One of the reasons I always liked punting in Montreal is that, for outcalls, the girls I saw NEVER asked for the money first. It lay in an envelope on the desk in the room and as the girl left, subtly put the envelope in her handbag (there is an expectation for a tip however) and left. I can't imagine that punters there are more or less trustworthy than us Brits and it is good that this level of trust exists. Mind you, in the case of a non-payment I daresay the 'driver' might pay you a visit.

Even in the UK I have had a few outcall girls that trust you enough to take the money afterwards (it is not a coincidence that these are girls I will often see again). Not many though, I have more 'no-shows'

I hate when some girls don't just count out the notes up front but check to see if they are forgeries as well. I will never return.

O and D

Offline Dani

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I hate when some girls don't just count out the notes up front but check to see if they are forgeries as well. I will never return.

O and D

If you go into a shop and they check the money is not a forgery do you never go back there either or is it just prossies who should not check.


I don't check until the client has left normally unless he looks a bit dodgy but I do state I no longer accept £50 notes after being caught out a couple of times with dodgy ones.

I also take the money upfront for new clients unless I have a feel for them before hand from forums or just regular contact.  I wish we could trust everyone to pay at the end as it would make the booking flow so much easier but we cant unfortunately.  Those who do are the ones you see regularly on Saafe complaining they got stitched up.
For the majority of guys I have met before I am happy to take payment at the end and then if I get ripped off it is my own fault for misjudging them as I do have a some regs that I don't trust to pay at the end so do take the money upfront and have to count it in front of them as there has been a couple of attempts to 'accidently' short change me

It is normally quite easy to work out who will and who wont try to do this but we do make the odd mistake

However for outcalls it is always money upfront as it is just too easy for them to throw you out without paying especially in a hotel as they know we wont make a scene and risk the police being called

Offline broksonic

I always pay straight away , and have no problem at all if she counts it in front of me
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Offline taz973

One of the reasons I always liked punting in Montreal is that, for outcalls, the girls I saw NEVER asked for the money first. It lay in an envelope on the desk in the room and as the girl left, subtly put the envelope in her handbag (there is an expectation for a tip however) and left. I can't imagine that punters there are more or less trustworthy than us Brits and it is good that this level of trust exists. Mind you, in the case of a non-payment I daresay the 'driver' might pay you a visit.

Even in the UK I have had a few outcall girls that trust you enough to take the money afterwards (it is not a coincidence that these are girls I will often see again). Not many though, I have more 'no-shows'

I hate when some girls don't just count out the notes up front but check to see if they are forgeries as well. I will never return.

O and D

Tipping is also an issue in terms of when to do it the end or beginning of a punt. When I was looking into the amsterdam escort scene again where tipping in the privehouses is common there was similar debate on whether should tip first so the wg would be "more relaxed and friendly"or tip later so "she put in more effort to get a tip"  I always went for beginning as just seemed more comfortable to say here is €130 rather than say hand over a €20 note at the end

Offline Jimmyredcab

If you go into a shop and they check the money is not a forgery do you never go back there either or is it just prossies who should not check.

You can't compare the girl on Tesco's till to a prostitute.     :thumbsdown:

I would be pretty pissed off if the pro$$ie held my notes up to the light to check them.     :angry: :mad:

Offline Ali Katt

Some of my better punts have been were I've paid the girl at the end. I don't mind if it's "upfront", but if In get an inclination it will be a rubbish experience, I would walk.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Some of my better punts have been were I've paid the girl at the end. I don't mind if it's "upfront", but if In get an inclination it will be a rubbish experience, I would walk.

One small flaw in your theory ----------------- sometimes the attitude can change once the cash has changed hands, if you then demand a refund you may have to deal with Sergei.    :scare:

Offline Daffodil

Tipping is also an issue in terms of when to do it the end or beginning of a punt. When I was looking into the amsterdam escort scene again where tipping in the privehouses is common there was similar debate on whether should tip first so the wg would be "more relaxed and friendly"or tip later so "she put in more effort to get a tip"  I always went for beginning as just seemed more comfortable to say here is €130 rather than say hand over a €20 note at the end

Tipping is not an issue, you don't do it  :hi:

Offline akauya

Tipping is not an issue, you don't do it  :hi:

Too bloody right.


People can call me a tight cunt if they want but we pay so much money to prossies as it is why pay extra?

I have an issue with the tipping business anyway. You get paid for doing a job. You are expected to do it well (in any industry) and you get paid for it. I do my job very well and I don't expect tips. Why is it that waiters, taxi drivers and others in service industries expect a tip is beyond me.


Offline Toby

Tipping is also an issue in terms of when to do it the end or beginning of a punt.

I prefer to give a tip at the start: "don't stash your cash where it can be nicked" is a good one.


Offline adindas

I will say it is only an extremely stupid prossies will allow you to pay at the end if they have not met the customers before.
They are dealing with very wide range types of customers. How could they know the visitors are not ex-criminals, gang-members, fraudsters, con-artists, etc.

How could they know that after giving the service, the punter will pay and not just drift way using various excuses such as I forgot my wallet in the car, I do not realize that I do not have a cash with me will you wait a second I will come back, or ask to pay with bogus cheque,  etc, etc ...

In my personal experience, if you discuss what service is included directly with the prossies before paying it (not via receptionist on the phone) they will deliver those services. In the worst case if they did not you could still do a lot of things (in fair deal of course) for instance claw back some of your money. If they did not tell them I would stay in the room until I got my part of money back. They normally will refund some of your money if you threaten like this as if you stay in the room, they can not get the next customer.


« Last Edit: July 19, 2014, 12:59:59 PM by adindas »

Offline Ali Katt

In my personal experience, if you discuss what service is included directly with the prossies before paying it (not via receptionist on the phone) they will deliver those services. In the worst case if they did not you could still do a lot of things (in fair deal of course) for instance claw back some of your money. If they did not tell them I would stay in the room until I got my part of money back. They normally will refund some of your money if you threaten like this as if you stay in the room, they can not get the next customer.
What if their pimp, Winston turns up?

Offline Jimmyredcab

Tipping is not an issue, you don't do it  :hi:

Correction ------------- YOU don't do it, you can't speak for others.    :hi: :hi:

Offline adindas

What if their pimp, Winston turns up?

I have not been in this situation yet.
But if I were in this situation, I would use my common sense. I will just gave up and say ok I will take it as a lost andl I will not come back.
You will never know their pimp have a knife or even gun with them ... I will not fight and  risking my life for just £100.00. I might do that if I am defending £100,000.

 
« Last Edit: July 19, 2014, 01:27:06 PM by adindas »

Offline Jimmyredcab

I have not been in this situation yet.
But if I were in this situation, I would use my common sense. I will just gave up and say ok I will take it as a lost andl I will not come back.
You will never know their pimp have a knife or even gun with them ... I will not fight and  risking my life for just £100.00. I might do that if I am defending £100,000.

A very sensible outlook, we have one idiot on here who claims he would fight the pimp, simply not worth the risk.   :hi:

Offline Johny Stone

I always pay upfront, even when I see my regular. I Think it's better for the girl to be relaxed about payment.

It is ALWAYS my intention to pay on arrival. There have been 3 occasions that I forgot due to the speed the punt got under way. All were 2nd visits and it wasn't an issue, but I was horrified each time when I remembered.

It does amuse me some of the sensitive souls who punt though. I hand the cash over, ask them to count it (some still don't), and on the one occasion she produced a pen to check for forgeries, it didn't bother me one bit.

Pissing around with envelopes, and giving tips, not my thing at all.

Offline Jimmyredcab

and on the one occasion she produced a pen to check for forgeries, it didn't bother me one bit.

I would have snatched the money back and told her not to bother.   :bomb: :bomb:

Offline Toby

I would have snatched the money back and told her not to bother.   :bomb: :bomb:

The correct etiquette under those circumstances would have been to draw all over her tits with the security pen, to "check for fakes". 

Offline dandaley

its a business why the fuck shouldnt they check every other business does, tbh wouldnt take a 50.00 to a punt anyway and if you do expect it dont get the problem with her checking at all.

Offline JV547845

Do cash machines even give £50 notes out?


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