2022 F1 season

[mh]

Gutted for Lewis not to get the win yesterday. Of course it was only due to Safety Cars that he was in contention, but still. Having won a race in every season since forever it would have been a small consolation for this crap year.

[mh]

WhingerSpice will have been thanking the motorsport gods for a diversion

Yesterday he was banging on about covering staff mental health as to why they exceeded the budget
Previously the catering
Make your mind up 
Deffo not car development, obvs 

RB making such dumb claims. It was because of food costs, unused spare parts etc. Yes, and other teams stayed within the cost cap with all their costs and RB couldn't or more likely decided to spend now, pay later knowing they almost certainly wouldn't lose the titles. Perhaps they assumed others would go over and it would all be a mess.

[lillythesavage]

RB making such dumb claims. It was because of food costs, unused spare parts etc. Yes, and other teams stayed within the cost cap with all their costs and RB couldn't or more likely decided to spend now, pay later knowing they almost certainly wouldn't lose the titles. Perhaps they assumed others would go over and it would all be a mess.

It must have been known before this season started  , I guess they hoped it would go away  .

Run by fuckwits, F1 and RB 

[Blackpool Rock]

It must have been known before this season started  , I guess they hoped it would go away  .

Run by fuckwits, F1 and RB 

You could argue that RB is run by smart people -

Go over the cap and give your car an edge on track here and now plus for the next season or two so the over spend is the gift that keeps on giving.
All the time you're fairly safe in the knowledge that any titles won't be taken away from you
Take a penalty probably in terms of a fine, but even if that fine is say 10 times your over spend then it's money well spent as you've won the title and everyone else has basically wasted their entire seasons budget on losing

The FIA aren't going to start stripping titles as it would look like a bigger farce than last year.
A fine is a waste of time and simply serves to demonstrate to the other teams they need to over spend and win then take the fine so may as well scrap the cost cap
They need to restrict next seasons spend for RB and not by however much they have already over spent but by say 10 times so that it actually has a penalty on next seasons performance
I can actually see the FIA deducting points this season to try and show they are punitively punishing RB but as RB are so far in front the points deduction will still ensure they / Max win the titles.

Stitch up 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Lewis was 5 bloody seconds behind MV he simply has not got a good enough car! Neither has Mr Russell best thing Merc can do is to pinch RB's engineers;!..

[lillythesavage]

You could argue that RB is run by smart people -

Go over the cap and give your car an edge on track here and now plus for the next season or two so the over spend is the gift that keeps on giving.
All the time you're fairly safe in the knowledge that any titles won't be taken away from you
Take a penalty probably in terms of a fine, but even if that fine is say 10 times your over spend then it's money well spent as you've won the title and everyone else has basically wasted their entire seasons budget on losing

The FIA aren't going to start stripping titles as it would look like a bigger farce than last year.
A fine is a waste of time and simply serves to demonstrate to the other teams they need to over spend and win then take the fine so may as well scrap the cost cap
They need to restrict next seasons spend for RB and not by however much they have already over spent but by say 10 times so that it actually has a penalty on next seasons performance
I can actually see the FIA deducting points this season to try and show they are punitively punishing RB but as RB are so far in front the points deduction will still ensure they / Max win the titles.

Stitch up 

Exactly why I think RB running two teams is giving them a hold over F1, and can do as they please, the name change from Toro Rosso being to not make it look so obvious.

A right royal stitch up, that started with RB questioning Mercedes last year, and to me, from then on they have been given all the help they need, by F1 and the FIA.

I Still think the Alpha Tauri crashing on the LH flying lap was deliberate, other drivers got done for track limits at the weekend, well Zho did, but MV was let away with it.

Cheating is not clever, it is cheating, but if you know you have F1 by the short and curlies then you know you will get away with it.

You have to wonder how the only new car to come out running was the RB, Ferrari were close but had serious tyre wear problems, all the others had different problems and have taken time to get going, not RB, the favoured team 

Would love to know how much they are paying Honda for the engines? seeing as Honda get no advertising etc anymore, no doubt the books show less than expected  , would not surprise me at all, cheats are cheats.


The excuses are laughable, even blaming UK tax breaks for research and development, though 7 teams are UK based  , Sick pay, food, mental health.

Now Whingerspice is claiming kids of staff are being bullied at school  .

[shaft10]

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Finally an F1 Driver (Alonso) pipes up about inconsistent decision making from the FIA regarding his penalty for driving an 'unsafe' car, minus the wing mirror

No mention of Perez getting a penalty though, for driving with a damaged front wing end plate .. which eventually fell off during the race 

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Fingers crossed Alonso has let the genie out of the bottle
& others seeing the support generated will come forward

Everyone knows that there are rules for all of the teams, other than for RB where there are no rules
Drivers are penalised whenever its perceived that whatever they've done is dangerous
Gasly is penalised for going too fast past the crane on the track in Japan in the wet
When the crane should never have been on the track in those conditions & he only saw it at the last moment
[read that some of the other drivers werent aware it was on track]
Gasly was spanking it to catch up those behind the safety car
Wonder what would have happened if it happened to be Gasly who pulled across in front of @golando in quali !
The FIA's fave driver said he 'had a moment' losing control then admitted wanting to stop @golando getting past him
What happens to MV = the square root of fuck all 
Same old same old with the FIA overlooking MVs erratic driving last year
In Brazil MV was shocking, tho he still couldn't stop LH from winning
Then there's Monza

Actually its worse than no rules, the FIA make it up as they go along

• Spa - we need to have a 'race' completed to avoid issuing ticket refunds so to justify this & help MV we'll dish out half points for 3 laps behind the safety
• Abu Dhabi - last ditch circus stuff coz WTF LH is gonna win the WDC

Waiting for deal or no deal on the cost cap 
WhingerSpice first claimed it was catering costs & now he's latched onto staff mental health, whats next ? 
Zak Brown stirred it up equating cost cap breach directly to cheating & WS was apoplectic
It was pull the punches time given black armbands for RB, not so this coming weekend

The FIA & RB are operating in a bubble, just need enough of a collective effort to pop it
Sky F1 have their head right up the FIA's arse, tho they have to be current with things that are going on
Simon Lazenby was posing questions & topics which were upping the ante
Wonder if he got a warning from his employer

Toto has kept his powder dry, lets see what he's got in store

[lillythesavage]

I just red a report on the race at the weekend having not watched it.

How the fuck has MV got a car so fast he can go from 6th to 1st in a few laps and the others can only watch him fly by.

Was it not RB questioning a slightly quicker Mercedes that started the shite? That car is on a different planet, yet no questions 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Adrian Newey perhaps?....

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Its the extra windtunnel time

Silly me, money spent on catering & mental health support

Whinger Spice could do with some of the latter

Especially as suffering from small bloke syndrome & a ginger whinger to boot [with his missus a ginger too the kids have no chance]

And is [edit: his] arch adversary zee panzer kaptain is 6'5", oh dear

[lillythesavage]

Adrian Newey perhaps?....

One man cannot do it all, and the other RB is doing nothing special  . MV is not the best driver in the field either, just got so much more power on a car light on tyres, something does not add up 

[shaft10]

One man cannot do it all, and the other RB is doing nothing special  . MV is not the best driver in the field either, just got so much more power on a car light on tyres, something does not add up 

Yeah but they cant be challenged because it will affect their mental health and their kids will be bullied in the playground, and thats not fair. 

[Gordon Bennett]

I just red a report on the race at the weekend having not watched it.

How the fuck has MV got a car so fast he can go from 6th to 1st in a few laps and the others can only watch him fly by.

Was it not RB questioning a slightly quicker Mercedes that started the shite? That car is on a different planet, yet no questions 

I always chuckle at fact that Max spends most races whining on the radio about some sort of performance issue with the car, you'd think he was driving an old jalopy! This weekend it was the wind and some sort of strat/strap thing holding him back apparently????

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RB also had to spend some dosh to re-educate MV's wife's father so as not (to appear) to be a dinosaur racist

It was epic at Silverstone last year, the RB fans were very quiet
The commentator on Silverstone radio & the speakers commented that a big cheer when MV got out of the car after his 'off'
You should have heard the cheer when he went off, i thought the roof in the stand i was in was gonna come off !
The RB fans might need counselling too, constant piss take from all of the other teams fans [minus Alpha Tauri]

After the circus @ AbuD the cost cap is the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake
Everyone knows that MV was given the WDC in 2021
& now this year one of the reasons for success is the overspend benefit carried forward from 2021
[though TBF they did solve the dolphin problem much quicker & more effectively than the other teams]

The f1 forums & social media commentators are all over it
Whinger Spice is as convincing as both Chemical Ali & Lavrov 

Yeah but they cant be challenged because it will affect their mental health and their kids will be bullied in the playground, and thats not fair.

[lillythesavage]

Yeah but they cant be challenged because it will affect their mental health and their kids will be bullied in the playground, and thats not fair.

 , Have you ever heard such bollocks ? All the woke bollocks that other use being used by a so called sports team 

The whole lot are trying to justify legalised cheating, by legalising it themselves to line their pockets under the threat of RB pulling the second team no doubt. 

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Porsche's entry into F1 looks iffy 

I dont think they [or VW] will be partnering with Mercedes anytime soon

[JimmySW]

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Porsche's entry into F1 looks iffy 

I dont think they [or VW] will be partnering with Mercedes anytime soon

It seems Audi are definitely taking over Sauber in 2026 with their own engine once the Ferrari contract finishes and Porsche may invest in one of the other teams using the Audi motor.

[lillythesavage]

It seems Audi are definitely taking over Sauber in 2026 with their own engine once the Ferrari contract finishes and Porsche may invest in one of the other teams using the Audi motor.

Audi/Porsche is the same group, taking over another team does not add to the field, and cannot see investment in another team or anyone using new engines straight away.

Will still be left with 2 RB teams, a 4 car team to disrupt others or let them past if needed, plus the hold over F1.

[Blackpool Rock]

Audi/Porsche is the same group, taking over another team does not add to the field, and cannot see investment in another team or anyone using new engines straight away.

Will still be left with 2 RB teams, a 4 car team to disrupt others or let them past if needed, plus the hold over F1.

Yeah basically a patsy team to have a spin in Quali or park the car so a safety car is needed etc on demand, it's so fucking transparent but then whinger comes on crying and gaslighting that everything goes against them 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

It seems Audi are definitely taking over Sauber in 2026 with their own engine once the Ferrari contract finishes and Porsche may invest in one of the other teams using the Audi motor.

So that will be the one from the RS6 estate then;))

[lillythesavage]

Yeah basically a patsy team to have a spin in Quali or park the car so a safety car is needed etc on demand, it's so fucking transparent but then whinger comes on crying and gaslighting that everything goes against them 

That is the issue, and has happened far too often, the whining is a poor attempt at deflecting from it, nothing will change until they are only allowed to run one team.

It is so clear to me that they use 4 cars to cheat and F1 needs both teams, they give in to RB whinging, and the FIA are joining in to protect themselves financially.

As you said, one big stitch up, which the press and TV do not question. All in it together.

[shaft10]

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Budget cap punishment to be announced tomorrow (Friday) should be interesting or more likely .. laughable. Not that it will bother MV, who obviously doesn't give a fuck about being handed 1 WC and cheating his way to another .. first class prick.

Nice comment from LH at the end of the article, as the saying goes .. form is temporary, CLASS is permanent.

[mr.bluesky]

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Budget cap punishment to be announced tomorrow (Friday) should be interesting or more likely .. laughable. Not that it will bother MV, who obviously doesn't give a fuck about being handed 1 WC and cheating his way to another .. first class prick.

Nice comment from LH at the end of the article, as the saying goes .. form is temporary, CLASS is permanent.

Probably just a slap on the wrist and a small fine. No matter how many more titles Verstappen goes on to win ( hopefully no more ) he will always be remembered as the driver who had the first World title " gifted" to him and his second World title won by his team cheating.

[Blackpool Rock]

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Budget cap punishment to be announced tomorrow (Friday) should be interesting or more likely .. laughable. Not that it will bother MV, who obviously doesn't give a fuck about being handed 1 WC and cheating his way to another .. first class prick.

Nice comment from LH at the end of the article, as the saying goes .. form is temporary, CLASS is permanent.

So who is announcing this punishment 
The article refers to RB holding a press conference so it looks like they are (complete with the whiner moaning about how overly harsh it is), surely the FIA should be officially saying what punishment has been given along with their reasoning 

Basically if RB announce it then it gives them another platform to put forward their case and how hard done by they have been, presumably the FIA would have wanted to do this but they have been over ruled by the sports governing body Red Bull 

[shaft10]

So who is announcing this punishment 
The article refers to RB holding a press conference so it looks like they are (complete with the whiner moaning about how overly harsh it is), surely the FIA should be officially saying what punishment has been given along with their reasoning 

Basically if RB announce it then it gives them another platform to put forward their case and how hard done by they have been, presumably the FIA would have wanted to do this but they have been over ruled by the sports governing body Red Bull 

Absolutely! This is where RB claim the overspend was on the dinner lady and some fangtastics for the pit crew ...

You seriously couldn't write it ... Formula 1 is rudderless with respect to governance, or at least 'impartial governance' 

[Blackpool Rock]

Absolutely! This is where RB claim the overspend was on the dinner lady and some fangtastics for the pit crew ...

You seriously couldn't write it ... Formula 1 is rudderless with respect to governance, or at least 'impartial governance' 

Be funny to give them the details of a local food bank around Milton Keynes 

[lillythesavage]

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Budget cap punishment to be announced tomorrow (Friday) should be interesting or more likely .. laughable. Not that it will bother MV, who obviously doesn't give a fuck about being handed 1 WC and cheating his way to another .. first class prick.

Nice comment from LH at the end of the article, as the saying goes .. form is temporary, CLASS is permanent.

All those saying LH only wins because he had a slightly faster car are very quiet now MV has a car nobody can compete with  .

Cynical me thinks that is to stop him being involved in his dangerous antics. That car is way faster than any other in the field.

The other teams are between a rock and a hard place though, F1 is their business, they just have to get on with it.

Press and TV is a different story, they are obviously protecting F1 for whatever reason, probably the revenue 

It is no sport anymore, the new owners promised more competition and closer racing, then chose, or were coerced, into picking one winner, in a car that has no competition.  ,

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This should have been directed @ MV as Whinger kindly pointed out "Imagine how much we'd have overspent by, if we bothered upgrading both cars"

No matter how many more titles Verstappen goes on to win ( hopefully no more ) he will always be remembered as the driver who had the first World title " gifted" to him and his second World title won by his team cheating.

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If you goggle 'f1 whinger spice' UKP is towards the top of page 3

Can't recall mentioning whinger, so which UKP is gonna put their hands up 

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This should have been directed @ MV as Whinger kindly pointed out "Imagine how much we'd have overspent by, if we bothered upgrading both cars"

In the USA too, where F1 is trying to take over motorsport  . Should be more of it, but the thick whelk will take it.

LH has had stick for opening his gob, but being the one who has lost the most, to keep smiling and trying through this, wanting to sign a new contact into his 40,s, he has put the mouthy cheat to shame .

He can walk away anytime, the British stiff upper lip is shining brightly 

[shaft10]

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7 million fine and 10% wind tunnel penalty ... tossers

hardly punishment for a car that is streets ahead of the rest ...

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7 million fine and 10% wind tunnel penalty ... tossers

hardly punishment for a car that is streets ahead of the rest ...

Basically no penalty at all as they have already benefited for probaly 3 seasons(certainly2) by cheating.
As for the fine Red Bull sell over a million cans per hour so that's hardly touching the sides.

[lillythesavage]

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7 million fine and 10% wind tunnel penalty ... tossers

hardly punishment for a car that is streets ahead of the rest ...

Did anyone expect anything meaningful?

[shaft10]

I was hoping for a 25% (or more) wind tunnel penalty as was being bandied around ...

I think its plain to see now that the sport (theatre/circus) is corrupt as fuck ..

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RBs two WDCs & RB's manufacturers win this year will always be tainted
Labelled cheats
Mercedes & Ferrari [if they get their shit together] should be capable of beating RB
However they can't beat a combined RB FIA 'team'

WhingerS is in fine form:

A 25% reduction in wind tunnel time might mean something to us,
if we didn’t have a ‘sister’ team to run our programs and share data. 😂
And as for a fine… who cares? We overspent to win
Making us spend more isn’t exactly a punishment. 😂

I think it’s very unfair of anyone to say we are not real winners,
just because we cheated the cost cap and Masi fixed the contest because Max couldn’t win

[lillythesavage]

I was hoping for a 25% (or more) wind tunnel penalty as was being bandied around ...

I think its plain to see now that the sport (theatre/circus) is corrupt as fuck ..

It says cheat if you wish, you can keep your tainted trophies and championships, with two teams the punishment is zero, and it is those two teams that allows this, give us want we want or the whole house of cards is finished. Clear as day.

[mr.bluesky]

I was hoping for a 25% (or more) wind tunnel penalty as was being bandied around ...

I think its plain to see now that the sport (theatre/circus) is corrupt as fuck ..

I would love to know how a 10% reduction in wind tunnel research is going to be monitored  and a $7 million dollar fine is nothing to a team like Red Bull . With them running two teams who's to say they won't just switch to Alpha Tauri to do wind tunnel tests 

[lillythesavage]

I would love to know how a 10% reduction in wind tunnel research is going to be monitored  and a $7 million dollar fine is nothing to a team like Red Bull . With them running two teams who's to say they won't just switch to Alpha Tauri to do wind tunnel tests 

It will not be monitored, it is all bollocks, the cap probably saved them 70 million over 4 cars, a guess before you jump  .

A top of the tree form of motor sport reduced to nothing but a shambles, making rules up as it goes along, choosing who will win and twisting everything to ensure they do, including the rules, not even been clever about it.

Should be boycotted.

[shaft10]

It will not be monitored, it is all bollocks, the cap probably saved them 70 million over 4 cars, a guess before you jump  .

A top of the tree form of motor sport reduced to nothing but a shambles, making rules up as it goes along, choosing who will win and twisting everything to ensure they do, including the rules, not even been clever about it.

Should be boycotted.

Thats Americans for ya, everything they touch turns to shite .... and its going more 'stateside' every year. Before long they'll just be driving round in big circles ..sorry, ovals.

[Blackpool Rock]

Poor old Whinger spice thinks the fine is harsh and the wind tunnel testing reduction is "Draconian".

So good and sporting of them to get this agreement sorted and closed out for the benefit of the sport though and save it dragging on for another 6 or 12 months going through appeals.
Or if you look at it another way RB want to try and draw a line under the cheating allegations to avoid being tarnished next season too.

Of course RB will still have an advantage next season too due to previous over spend however if the other teams start to catch up then que the whining from CH and MV about how they have been unfairly penalised blah blah blah

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[shaft10]

Poor old Whinger spice thinks the fine is harsh and the wind tunnel testing reduction is "Draconian".

So good and sporting of them to get this agreement sorted and closed out for the benefit of the sport though and save it dragging on for another 6 or 12 months going through appeals.
Or if you look at it another way RB want to try and draw a line under the cheating allegations to avoid being tarnished next season too.

Of course RB will still have an advantage next season too due to previous over spend however if the other teams start to catch up then que the whining from CH and MV about how they have been unfairly penalised blah blah blah

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I do think Merc will close the gap next season and be competitive. They pretty much wrote this season off early doors and have been gathering data all year .. hopefully they'll put it to good use and we should see a new car next season. LH is signing a multi-year deal, so its clear he wants to take the fight to RB .. bring it on 

[lillythesavage]

+1

I do think Merc will close the gap next season and be competitive. They pretty much wrote this season off early doors and have been gathering data all year .. hopefully they'll put it to good use and we should see a new car next season. LH is signing a multi-year deal, so its clear he wants to take the fight to RB .. bring it on 

As I mentioned earlier, LH lost the most in this fiasco, but has put his head down and worked to find a way, he has nothing to prove and nobody would have blamed him for turning it in.

[Blackpool Rock]

As I mentioned earlier, LH lost the most in this fiasco, but has put his head down and worked to find a way, he has nothing to prove and nobody would have blamed him for turning it in.

Yeah Lewis has risen above all this shit and come out of it looking like a better person for taking it on the chin, he wasn't going to win this season due to the major porpoiseing problem at the start but last season he was clearly robbed.
The anger and frustration was clear but after a few initial comments he was quite quiet about it rather than being outspoken, i'm wondering how much of that was Lewis and how much was his management telling him the best way to handle it.
I think his Dad probably helped guide him through the maze and would have taken him back to remember all the times he faced previous challenges getting to the top

I'd love to see Lewis come back and win an 8th title to put to bed all the arguments about who is the GOAT, i'd love him to win an iconic 10 titles but time is probably against him now

[mr.bluesky]

+1

I do think Merc will close the gap next season and be competitive. They pretty much wrote this season off early doors and have been gathering data all year .. hopefully they'll put it to good use and we should see a new car next season. LH is signing a multi-year deal, so its clear he wants to take the fight to RB .. bring it on 

I think seeing how Red Bull have virtually got away with breaking the spending cap this year Mercedes will just go ahead and spend what they like to make a winning car car next year and say " fuck the consequences " Hamilton keen to sign a new five year contract with the team so it shows he still has the motivation to win.  His biggest threat next year could come from his team mate George Russell 

[Gordon Bennett]

Yes. Lewis has conducted himself with great dignity and restraint this season. Gotta say I'm somewhat surprised - thought he'd be a very bratty sore loser. Ironically it's Max who's managed to be an unlikeable sore bratty winner on the most part.

Max is undoubtedly a prodigious talent - his "people" need to urgently set about polishing his image and PR though. He's about as likeable as Mark Zuckerberg at the moment. Given there's quite a roster of handsome young drivers with "normal lad" personalities out there it's making Max look particular insular and sullen.

Maybe Red Bull and Max might need to think about properly engaging with the "Drive to Survive" docuseries. Thus far they've kept it at arms length (probably worried they'll look a bit ruthless, cold and inhuman).

[Watts.E.Dunn]

I think seeing how Red Bull have virtually got away with breaking the spending cap this year Mercedes will just go ahead and spend what they like to make a winning car car next year and say " fuck the consequences " Hamilton keen to sign a new five year contract with the team so it shows he still has the motivation to win.  His biggest threat next year could come from his team mate George Russell

Indeed it could, Merc get the car perfomance right so Max George and Lewis all in the same podium with 0.0001 seconds betwixt them;!..

[lamboman]

Sod the cost cap Danica looks hot.

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Cant recall exactly what she said yesterday about the CC but it was like RB have been severely punished 
Proves how stupid the yanks are
We'll let her off coz she looks fit, a pocket rocket
Wonder if any of the sky presenters get caught gazing for just a little bit too long 
I reck Jenson has the best chance, good looks has a style about him & [more importantly for Danica] has won the WDC

Sod the cost cap Danica looks hot.

[lamboman]

a pocket rocket

  I only look not listen.