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Author Topic: Dangers of not having a Punting phone ?  (Read 14944 times)

Offline maxxblue

Congratulations - sensible investment.  ;)

Probably been said before, but I've just txted a complete stranger ( 1 digit wrong) for a booking including anal... thankfully not had a rsp yet.. oh well..

Reason for having a punting phone - theoretically (and yes I know there is only a tiny chance of this but I don't think it falls in the 'crazy paranoid category'), if you use your normal phone and it's a pay monthly contract, a WG could know someone who works for O2, Vodafone or whoever and ask them to have a quick gander on the company database about who you really are, where you live etc. if you submit a poor review, decide not to go through with the punt upon seeing the girl, or just because they flip out one day and decide that all punters are evil and you as the most recent one deserve to be punished.

 Again, incredibly unlikely but why even take the risk of communicating in a form that is in any way tied to your real details?

Offline OscarC

Another reason to get a punting phone.  This north east escort posts your number on twitter.   Fair enough he might be a time waster, but still a good reason to have a throw away number.

https://twitter.com/amyofnewcastle/status/627565775025475584

Offline Jamesmadden

I accidentally texted my mate...

He then wanted to know more about the text and he's now a punter too  :dance:
Banning reason: Slagging off UKP membership

Offline purple_t

Don't know if it has been said already but if your phone is not locked to a network just a different SIM may well suffice... easier to hide from the OH. Downside is if your main phone is expensive you may not want to risk taking it to a punt if you are worried about theft etc

I gave up having a mobile 3 years ago, only got my punting phone now, very happy that way !

Irrespective of whether somebody thinks you're a terrorist/OH checking bills/work checking who you've called/being googled etc, there are just random nutcases who will ruin you day.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=62947.0

Offline pierrot

Another reason to get a punting phone.  This north east escort posts your number on twitter.   Fair enough he might be a time waster, but still a good reason to have a throw away number.

https://twitter.com/amyofnewcastle/status/627565775025475584

She should be on the blacklist, how does she know he hasnt had an RTA or been run over by a bus or something.

Offline stayer

Even if you don't have a wife or GF, you can still get problems. For example, Abbi/Bomshell made a threatening call, attempted to out me on Saafe and I've reason to believe that she passed my number to at least one other person. However, Admin has blacklisted her.

My punting phone is an old HTC Wildfire on giffgaff with £10 airtime credit. It's actually quite handy to have a second phone anyway because if I can't use my main phone (which is on Vodafone), I can reach for my backup phone that is on a different network.

Offline Jamesmadden

I use a punting SIM.

as i like the convenience of a smart phone.
Banning reason: Slagging off UKP membership

I must admit I don't have a separate phone for making bookings yet but was just wondering.........Other than having a nosey other half what are the possible


Dangers of not having a Punting phone ?

see http://www.puntingwiki.com/wiki/Punting_Top_Tips

why not use a "pin no "to lock your work phone>

 see http://tinyurl.com/llpaer4

Arranged a punt the other week and set off without the punting phone (I didn't realise till I pulled up outside). Used my normal phone and didn't think anything of it as she lived a good hour from me and had good feedback. Put her number in facebook and she's from my home town and is friends with several of my friends. I also know her brothers. Hopefully she doesn't do the opposite!. Lesson learned.

Offline stevedave

Arranged a punt the other week and set off without the punting phone (I didn't realise till I pulled up outside). Used my normal phone and didn't think anything of it as she lived a good hour from me and had good feedback. Put her number in facebook and she's from my home town and is friends with several of my friends. I also know her brothers. Hopefully she doesn't do the opposite!. Lesson learned.

Sounds like she's as much to blame for not having a separate work phone!

Offline happyend

Old smartphone retrieved from drawer after a year - will look to do a factory reset etc. Handy to have maps/email on the go.

Any idea on best PAYG sim for EE? They seem hellbent on getting you to top up every week/month with their various deals (no thanks!)

Another thought - I just googled my AW username out of curiosity, and it happens (by coincidence rather than planning) to be in a song lyric, so any mention of me will be buried amongst a sea of references to that, lyric pages, YouTube videos and the like. Choose a username which is in common usage in some other context and whilst you won't be impossible to find it will be considerably more difficult.

Offline Jimmyredcab

I gave up having a mobile 3 years ago, only got my punting phone now, very happy that way !

Never owned a so called "smartphone" ------------ never would.    :hi:

My only mobile is a very ancient Nokia which works perfectly well and costs me around £40 a year to run.

tonibell99

Another reason to get a punting phone.  This north east escort posts your number on twitter.   Fair enough he might be a time waster, but still a good reason to have a throw away number.

https://twitter.com/amyofnewcastle/status/627565775025475584

She's not the only one, Tamara Grace posted a 'timewasters' no. on her Twitter feed yesterday

Offline Zzxxx

Ouch!... Just typed my mobile number into Google!... Now I'm definitely getting a punting mobile! Hope none of my conquests have Googled my number! 
Banning reason: Covert filming of punts

I've never had a punting phone - I always thought I wouldn't need it as I'm a single guy, no one's gonna be reading my texts and/or emails, and I'm pretty good with my privacy settings etc (I often google my own phone number to see if it gets any hits, and it doesn't), I never reveal my full name to WG's (although I do use my real first name, but I don't reveal my surname - mainly as there's no reason to not use my first name, and no reason to reveal my surname), and I even have numbers of regularly contacted WGs in my phones contacts, as it's easier than always going on AW to get the number (for one off meetings, I'll save the girls number for calling/texting prior to the punt, then delete it after). I also always set a pin on my iPhone before attending a punt, so that if I lose it or I'm robbed, I can remotely wipe the phone before (hopefully) it's accessed by whoever finds/steals it.

However, I got a surprise today (hence posting on this thread). I was looking for an old friend on FB, and after sending this person a friend request, below it was a list of "people you may know" generated by FB. Nothing unusual there, FB is always doing that - usually it's friends of friends, colleagues, etc. Normally I ignore them, but since I was bored I decided to click them off, so they don't reappear again - and was amazed to find a WG I've punted with in that list! She's not too far from me, but isn't really close either. I do have her number saved in my phone, as even though I've only punted her once, I intended to book her again.

Now my number isn't associated with FB - made sure of that as even though I have people on my friends list, I don't want all of them to have access to my phone number. So unless she has her number associated with her FB account, the only way I can think FB listed her as a person I may know is GPS tracking - i.e., she uses FB at her address, I've been to her address with my phone that also has the FB app installed on it, and FB made the link. This kinda makes sense as it also suggested I may know two of my neighbours - neither of which I haven't got a phone number for, nor any other contact details. So I can only assume it's linked those two neighbours to suggested people based on GPS location of where we all use FB regularly. That being said, I know I didn't *USE* FB at the WG's address, I'm just thinking that maybe the FB app is often tracing where I've been in the background, for location based services and ads, etc.

I've also had plenty of instances where a WGs number has come up as iMessage, or on Whatsapp.

So yeah, now I'm thinking a punting phone might not be a bad idea. Problem is, I'm still likely to take my iPhone with me, 1) as I use it as a sat nav for directions / finding places, 2) as I might need it for non punting, and 3) it's an extension of my arm and with me wherever I go anyway, which is why I've never bothered to go down the punting phone route.

But it's definitely food for thought!

Offline Quesadilla


...However, I got a surprise today (hence posting on this thread). I was looking for an old friend on FB, and after sending this person a friend request, below it was a list of "people you may know" generated by FB. Nothing unusual there, FB is always doing that - usually it's friends of friends, colleagues, etc. Normally I ignore them, but since I was bored I decided to click them off, so they don't reappear again - and was amazed to find a WG I've punted with in that list! She's not too far from me, but isn't really close either. I do have her number saved in my phone, as even though I've only punted her once, I intended to book her again.

Now my number isn't associated with FB - made sure of that as even though I have people on my friends list, I don't want all of them to have access to my phone number. So unless she has her number associated with her FB account, the only way I can think FB listed her as a person I may know is GPS tracking - i.e., she uses FB at her address, I've been to her address with my phone that also has the FB app installed on it, and FB made the link. This kinda makes sense as it also suggested I may know two of my neighbours - neither of which I haven't got a phone number for, nor any other contact details. So I can only assume it's linked those two neighbours to suggested people based on GPS location of where we all use FB regularly. That being said, I know I didn't *USE* FB at the WG's address, I'm just thinking that maybe the FB app is often tracing where I've been in the background, for location based services and ads, etc.

I've also had plenty of instances where a WGs number has come up as iMessage, or on Whatsapp.

So yeah, now I'm thinking a punting phone might not be a bad idea. Problem is, I'm still likely to take my iPhone with me, 1) as I use it as a sat nav for directions / finding places, 2) as I might need it for non punting, and 3) it's an extension of my arm and with me wherever I go anyway, which is why I've never bothered to go down the punting phone route.

But it's definitely food for thought!

Facebook can track GPS but you have to explicitly enable that feature and it only tracks people already in your FB friends list or a nominated list.  It does not nominate friends based on location.

Most likely culprit is Facebook Messenger - if you ever installed it on your phone - even for a minute and then uninstalled it - then your phone number will have been automagically linked to your FB account and the list of people you may know updated.  The list isn't automatically removed even if you subsequently remove your number from FB.

FB Messenger is a piece of crap - any time you get PMs from your FB contacts it will ask you to install it as it's the only way to do PMs on the mobile app. 

I once relented and installed it and instantly got linked with a WG - not a problem as she was a trusted reg, and anyway my FB account is locked down so unless I accepted a friend request she couldn't have seen anything about me except my profile name and profile pic which are both anonymous anyway.
Banning reason: Obnoxious and arrogant + Veiled threat of outing punter on UKE

I have made sure, and checked on several occasions, that both FB app and FB Messenger do NOT have access to my phone contacts, and that there is no syncing or collating.

FB must be suggesting friends based on location, as I have zero contact details for my two neighbours (no phone numbers, no email addresses, nothing) and neither of them have any mutual friends in common with myself, so unless it's a massive coincidence of randomness that they were both suggested to me, it must be based on location. There are zero links between myself and this WG on FB or anywhere else (except of course that I have phoned and texted her). So it must be location wise, because there are no other links between ourselves, and likewise for my neighbours that FB suggested.

My FB settings are like yours - completely locked down; my name, email address and phone number cannot be searched from Google, or even within FB itself. I can only be contacted by either people on my friends list, or they're friends.

Offline Quesadilla

I have made sure, and checked on several occasions, that both FB app and FB Messenger do NOT have access to my phone contacts, and that there is no syncing or collating.

FB must be suggesting friends based on location, as I have zero contact details for my two neighbours (no phone numbers, no email addresses, nothing) and neither of them have any mutual friends in common with myself, so unless it's a massive coincidence of randomness that they were both suggested to me, it must be based on location. There are zero links between myself and this WG on FB or anywhere else (except of course that I have phoned and texted her). So it must be location wise, because there are no other links between ourselves, and likewise for my neighbours that FB suggested.

My FB settings are like yours - completely locked down; my name, email address and phone number cannot be searched from Google, or even within FB itself. I can only be contacted by either people on my friends list, or they're friends.

You cannot use FB messenger and NOT give it access to your phone number. You cannot selectively choose permissions for a mobile app. If you installed it on a phone, the number of that phone is inextricably linked to it. The only way to remove that link is uninstall FB Messenger. Even then, any mutual contacts it found while installed will still show up.
Banning reason: Obnoxious and arrogant + Veiled threat of outing punter on UKE

I've checked all lover the place and seen no mention or indication that FB Messenger knows, links to, attaches itself, or does anything with the phone number of the phone. And why would it? iPod Touches and iPads don't have phone numbers, but can still use FB Messenger - and they can make and receive calls over it, as it uses your FB profile to connect, not your phone number. As for mutual contacts, it is only working with FB contacts as I told both Messenger and FB that it cannot access my phones contacts. FYI, I'm not talking about it showing up any contacts, such as WG's, listed in Messenger or FB. The only "contacts" in my Messenger app, or FB app, are the people I am friends with on FB itself - nothing from my contacts at all. The WG that I have been talking about was listed in the "People you may know" friend suggestions on the FB website, NOT in the app or Messenger app.

But I'm not going to argue with you about it, so it's fine. We shall agree to disagree. All I wanted to do was highlight what surprised me today.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2015, 02:51:08 PM by JoeyRamone »

Offline Quesadilla

I've checked all lover the place and seen no mention or indication that FB Messenger knows, links to, attaches itself, or does anything with the phone number of the phone. And why would it? iPod Touches and iPads don't have phone numbers, but can still use FB Messenger - and they can make and receive calls over it, as it uses your FB profile to connect, not your phone number. As for mutual contacts, it is only working with FB contacts as I told both Messenger and FB that it cannot access my phones contacts. FYI, I'm not talking about it showing up any contacts, such as WG's, listed in Messenger or FB. The only "contacts" in my Messenger app, or FB app, are the people I am friends with on FB itself - nothing from my contacts at all. The WG that I have been talking about was listed in the "People you may know" friend suggestions on the FB website, NOT in the app or Messenger app.

But I'm not going to argue with you about it, so it's fine. We shall agree to disagree. All I wanted to do was highlight what surprised me today.

Disagree all you want. You're wrong. Facebook Messenger has access to almost EVERYTHING on your phone. These permissions have absolutely NOTHING to do with your FB account permissions which are completely different - after huge amounts of user pressure FB allowed users to lock their FB account down. At that time, you could message natively in the FB mobile app itself - FB Messenger was created AFTER as a way to stealthily get back access to all the info they used to have - and a whole load more. They then FORCED all users who were messaging to switch to FB Messenger.

Check for yourself here under permissions on the Google Play app store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.facebook.orca&hl=en_GB

But here is the full list - there are almost no apps out there that take as many privileges, and don't kid yourself FB doesn't take full advantage of them.

Identity
read your own contact card
- ie - your phone number etc
find accounts on the device
Contacts
read your contacts
Access to all your contacts
Location
precise location (GPS and network-based)
approximate location (network-based)
SMS
read your text messages (SMS or MMS)
receive text messages (MMS)
edit your text messages (SMS or MMS)
receive text messages (SMS)
send SMS messages
Phone
directly call phone numbers
read call log
Photos / Media / Files
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
read the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Yes - FB Messenger can spy on you at any time either recording your camera/video/audio feeds or all of them.
Wi-Fi connection information
view Wi-Fi connections
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Just in case you weren't sure it can get your phone number...
Other
download files without notification
receive data from Internet
control vibration
install shortcuts
run at startup
draw over other apps
read battery statistics
read sync settings
send sticky broadcast
read Google service configuration
change network connectivity
prevent device from sleeping ie, even when you think your phone is inactive it can be spying on you.
view network connections
change your audio settings
full network access
Banning reason: Obnoxious and arrogant + Veiled threat of outing punter on UKE


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