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Author Topic: Why are address confirmations only done so- 10 minutes before the Punt?  (Read 8338 times)

Offline Tibbs

I'm neither.

I am, however, a researcher and economist, so for a living I think analytically (and dispassionately) about a lot of things. Being single, I don't have a set time for punting, I don't have to dodge the missus to fit into a time window, I get to punt when I want for how long I want spending as much as I want. I weigh up the pros and cons, and come to a conclusion.

In my opinion the risk of standing at a street corner for last minute directions to get a WG who then feels comfortable and safe is worth the reward of the better service I will get than if she felt unsafe and nervous about me.

Of course prostitution is one of the better examples of an unregulated free market. Both the provider of and seeker of services is free to go where they like, charge what they like and impose any conditions of sale they like. The other party then has the choice as to whether to accept the terms of the deal or not. For Smiths, for example, the lack of an address is a dealbreaker, he won't see a WG without one. That's fine and his condition of sale. The WG has the option of conforming or not, knowing she won't get the business if she doesn't

You're absolutely right, leaving the address until the last minute won't eliminate the risk of being robbed, but, as the posts in this thread say, it does reduce it. Just like how I don't walk around London backstreets at night with my noise-cancelling headphones in. My risk of getting mugged is low (I don't dress well and am a pretty big bloke) but if I can do something easy to lower my risk still further, why shouldn't I do it?

Offline Jimmyredcab

Like it or not, a punter gets to see a girl on her terms.   If he does not like the terms, he is free to go somewhere else.

As I said earlier, my money, my rules ------------- there is no shortage of prostitutes within the M25, if there ever is I may agree to their terms.   ;)

Offline Matium

Could you post a link to your research that confirms this please?

I think all you need to do is look at the Adultwork board and the Bad Providers Board to see the great number of dodgy prossies.

Like it or not, a punter gets to see a girl on her terms.  If he does not like the terms, he is free to go somewhere else.

As I said earlier, my money, my rules.

Only if your rules match with her terms though, otherwise you won't be able to see that particular girl.  But as you're fortunately in an area with many pro$$ies you're far more likely to find someone who will meet your rules.  Some of us can't be so unflexible in the way we select pro$$ies.

Offline foresight

As I said earlier, my money, my rules ------------- there is no shortage of prostitutes within the M25, if there ever is I may agree to their terms.   ;)

Your money, her rules, your choice.

Just like your taxi. I have a can of lager, you tell me you will take me if I lose the can of lager, I choose whether I accept or not.

Offline Tibbs

I think all you need to do is look at the Adultwork board and the Bad Providers Board to see the great number of dodgy prossies.

Ok so let's look at this. There are 15357 active escort profiles on Adultwork right now. Now we know that not all of the profiles are fake; enough people on here have booked girls so we know that it's reasonable that some are genuine. Let's be harsh and say that 90% of all profiles are fake. That gives us 13,821 prostitutes who have gone to the effort of putting up a profile, just to waste your time.

Current population estimates tell us that there are 62.3m people in the UK right now. The male:female ratio is skewed very slight in the favour of more females, but for the sake of simplicity let's call it 50:50. So you have 31.6m males in the UK. ~60% of the male population are between 18 and 65. Let's assume for now that males over the age of 65, their dicks fall off or something and that don't punt. That's obviously not true, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here in making the numbers smaller. That gets us to 20.9m people. Research that I've read says that between 5% & 10% of the male population have visited a prostitute. Again, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call it 5%. That means we have 1.042m men in the UK who are, or have, seen a prostitute. Working out the percentages, even in this example where I've skewed the data as far as I can towards helping you prove your point, the proportion of timewasting and/or dangerous punters out there would have to be at a level of 1.33%, a number I think even you will agree is a little on the low side. Looking at posts made by girls 40%-60% of the phone calls that they receive are timewasting in some form. I don't have figures for how many no-shows they get, but I guess it's higher than 2/100...

Now before I get called fluffy again, this rant isn't coming from my 'prostitutes can do no wrong' side this is coming from my 'don't post opinion as fact in front of a quantitative researcher' side.

Now please, don't make me unleash my maths again - I usually get paid a lot of money for this (a daily rate that would make even a WG wince, not that I see much of it sadly), and you ain't getting this shit for free again. ;)
« Last Edit: July 02, 2011, 01:01:36 PM by Tibbs »

Offline Jimmyredcab

Your money, her rules, your choice.

If punters stuck together (unlikely) and refused to accept their stupid rules they would be forced to have a rethink.

Remember Faye Bond  ???
She refused to give me her phone number, told me I had to book via AW.
She now displays her number. 
Always remember, the customer is King.    ;) ;)
Without us they would be back stacking shelves.

If punters stuck together (unlikely) and refused to accept their stupid rules they would be forced to have a rethink.

If you look at the reasons Paris & Strawbs gave for not giving out the full address I don't think you can class them as "stupid rules".  Seems quite reasonable to me.


Offline Jimmyredcab



Now before I get called fluffy again, this rant isn't coming from my 'prostitutes can do no wrong' side this is coming from my 'don't post opinion as fact in front of a quantitative researcher' side.

You may well be an expert in your profession, you appear to know very little about the prostitution industry.    :dash: :dash:

Offline smiths

So, are you a prostitute or a fluffie. ??????
If someone is determined to rob a girl they will do it, holding back the address until the last minute does very little to increase security.
Some of the passengers who have done runners from my cab looked totally respectable, others who looked dodgy have ended up giving me a generous tip.

He is neither in my experience of reading his posts Jim. He praises good providers and slams the bad in my observations. :)

Offline Jimmyredcab

If you look at the reasons Paris & Strawbs gave for not giving out the full address I don't think you can class them as "stupid rules".  Seems quite reasonable to me.

Those two ladies have a good reputation ----- unlike the hundreds of fly-by-nights on Adultwork.  :(

Offline Jimmyredcab

He is neither in my experience of reading his posts Jim. He praises good providers and slams the bad in my observations. :)

Sorry mate, I think he talks a lot of nonsense ----------- example ------

"Research that I've read says that between 5% & 10% of the male population have visited a prostitute."

That is total cobblers, for the figures to be accurate people would have to answer truthfully, many guys would not admit to visiting a prostitute.  :(

Offline smiths

Those two ladies have a good reputation ----- unlike the hundreds of fly-by-nights on Adultwork.  :(

Strawberry i know as a fact has a specific reason regarding her address, its not easy to find so she guides punters in so they can actually locate Srawberry towers. :D ;)

Those two ladies have a good reputation ----- unlike the hundreds of fly-by-nights on Adultwork.  :(

OK I agree that they have very good reps so most punters will know that they're not gonna get messed around but surely you can't be suggesting that any pro$$ie who doesn't yet have a reputation not put these precautions in place?  If it works well for someone as highly regarded as Paris why shouldn't others do the same? 

We punters take precautions all the time such as using separate phone/SIMS, only taking the exact money required to a punt & nothing else ie. ID, credit cards etc.  Albeit that these precautions aren't related to this thread but we try & encourage other punters to do the same to help keep them safe & minimse any risks.  Why should pro$$ies be any different?

And please don't label me as a fluffy too, everyone should do whatever makes them feel safe & comfortable when engaging in fucking for cash, punters & pro$$ies alike. 

Offline yumyum3

Quote from: Jimmyredcab on June 30, 2011, 07:32:38 pm
If a prostitute refuses to give me her address I simply book someone else, I have come unstuck in the past, never again.
Suppose I book for 30 minutes and then another guy wants a 2 hour booking at the same time, what chance would I have. ??????
My money, my rules.


Exactly right. Wild goose chases are firmly in my past, it does take some pressing on the phone to get the exact address though on ocassion, but unless its very local and its not going to be a wasted journey as my plan b is in the area or on the way to it in which case i will go on the road only, i also go elsewhere when the WG refuses me the full address. Another case where bad WGs small in number but very annoying have shaped my view over the years.

I'm firmly with you two on this one.
Tibbs: how do prossies "lower their risk" by giving you their phone number at the last minute? What if you were some nutter intending to rob or whatever crime you were planning: you could just call and say you were at the tube/place agreed and get the address, even if you were miles away?



Offline Jimmyredcab


I'm firmly with you two on this one.
Tibbs: how do prossies "lower their risk" by giving you their phone number at the last minute? What if you were some nutter intending to rob or whatever crime you were planning: you could just call and say you were at the tube/place agreed and get the address, even if you were miles away?

That will not always be possible.
Sometimes the girl will ask you a question which you could only answer if you were at the agreed place.
I was once directed to a car park, when I phoned she asked me what shops I could see from the car park ----------------- of couse if I were a rapist or robber it would make little difference if she gave the address at the very last minute.
Nutters don't always look like nutters.   :(

Offline yumyum3

No they don't. You can't tell and at the end of the day you and the lady have to go on gut instinct and common sense real quick time.
As you say, she could ask you a series of questions from a car park - personally, I wouldn't go that far as if it becomes too difficult I would be suspicious myself - but you could still be sounding reasonable and kind and be a nutter intending to do harm.
All that running around and making calls from different places sounds like you'd be better off applying to go on a game show  :)
Save your energy for the punt  :drinks:

Offline foresight

Sorry mate, I think he talks a lot of nonsense ----------- example ------

"Research that I've read says that between 5% & 10% of the male population have visited a prostitute."

That is total cobblers, for the figures to be accurate people would have to answer truthfully, many guys would not admit to visiting a prostitute.  :(

A very little bit of arithmetical thought would show you are undermining your own argument by making that statement. Suggest you read and digest what Tibbs posted before jumping in

Offline Tibbs

Sorry mate, I think he talks a lot of nonsense ----------- example ------

"Research that I've read says that between 5% & 10% of the male population have visited a prostitute."

That is total cobblers, for the figures to be accurate people would have to answer truthfully, many guys would not admit to visiting a prostitute.  :(

I stand by the model, the numbers of active profiles on Adultwork and the population data from the ONS.

The 2 pieces of data I have had to estimate are the number of fake profiles and the % of the male population who have engaged the services of a prostitute.

So JRC was right to question the latter number. However from what he wrote he evidently thinks that he %age should be higher. I'm fine with that as it makes my case stronger.

What do you think that number should be?

Offline foresight

However from what he wrote he evidently thinks that he %age should be higher. I'm fine with that as it makes my case stronger.

That was exactly my point.

No idea what it should be, though the numbers I have seen quoted are similar to yours.

Offline Jimmyredcab

I stand by the model, the numbers of active profiles on Adultwork and the population data from the ONS.

The 2 pieces of data I have had to estimate are the number of fake profiles and the % of the male population who have engaged the services of a prostitute.

So JRC was right to question the latter number. However from what he wrote he evidently thinks that he %age should be higher. I'm fine with that as it makes my case stronger.

What do you think that number should be?

This is my point.
If you ask 1000 people whether the prefer coke or pepsi you will probably get a fairly accurate result.

If you ask 1000 men if they have ever shagged a prostitute you will get a lot of liars.

No idea what the true figure would be, but if the question was "have you ever shagged a prostitute" then I would think the true result should be far in excess of 5-10%.

Offline Lurtz

What would they say if I booked an outcall and told them to ring when they reach my local Tesco for the full address  ----- I think we all know the answer to that.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Good point Jimmy. Just as we have the choice to avoid girls who with-hold their full address, so the girls have a choice to avoid punters (on outcalls) who with-hold their full address.

In the last 10 years I have booked 5 girls who with-held their address:

1. She sent me halfway round the city, I wasted 30 minutes or more. I felt as if I'd been pissed about. Punt was shit.
2. She gave me the road. Once I arrived she gave me the flat number. She whinged about me walking up to her flat while talking on my mobile! Very good punt.
3. Same girl, different premises. Very good punt.
4. Gave me the first half of the postcode e.g. SL1. Cancelled punt by text just as I was about to leave home.
5. Gave me the road. Once I arrived she gave me the house number. Poor punt.

Offline Daffodil

As I said earlier, my money, my rules ------------- there is no shortage of prostitutes within the M25, if there ever is I may agree to their terms.   ;)

I would love to be in this situation. Currently as it stands in Cardiff there has to be a little give and take. The usual practice is to receive a postcode or street address and then house/flat number on arrival. I have had very few problems with it (once got stood up) so don't see it as too great a problem.

As said, I'm not sure I buy that the practice is for the pro$$ies security (like Jimmy says, a mugger will just jump through the same hoops that the punter has to) and is more likely employed to allow her to ditch your appointment for a better offer.

Offline Daffodil

AnthG said Agencies not Parlours, there is a big difference between the two. A Parlour has a fixed incall base which would only change if they move, if you have been their once obviously you have the address whereas an Agency has different locations be it the WGs flat or a hotel room for example and these locations could be different with each WG you see through the Agency. :)

Thanks smiths, I don't tend to use parlours or agencies and must admit I may have lapsed into using the terms interchangeably.

Offline TeenKylie

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Quick thread.

Why do Escorts insist on only disclosing their full address 10 minutes before a meet up?

What difference does it make to "their security".

I mean if I were a spy for a rival PIMP or whatever- then surely I could set up an Adultwork account- send a false booking asking where the nearest Tube Station is (or read it off their profile page).

Text a message to one of my cronies- and let them visit the W/G in question.


It pisses me off Escorts say they won't dislcose their address - you turn up and then get stood up.
I'll tell you why. I'm perfectly happy to give me full address but not my number of my flat until there in my car park because do you know how meny time wasters I've had not turn up and how happy I am that they don't know exacaly where I live.


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