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Offline advent2016

Beware of company installed Dashcams

Unbeknown to me, my company have updated their dashcams in company vehicles and they remotely download the video and audio to log into some database.

This week I was sent an audio recording of me asking a couple of service providers fairly detailed questions about their sexual services in the oral department.

I imagined some poor male or female graduate transcribing this and calling their supervisor. :scare:

I've now been send various literature about diversity training. :lol:

I haven't noticed any more giggling (than usual) when colleagues see me

Moral of the story. Be especially aware of the vehicle you drive and make personal calls in your own time and away from prying ears.

Offline CanOfRedBull

This can not be legal - you are winding us up?

OK it’s a company vehicle but they have no legal right to record video and audio and monitor you.  If this is the case you would assume the same thing about working from home with company laptops and webcams  :scare: ( mind you I always cover my webcam ).


Offline belfastpunter

First off I hope you changed some of the details here because such a specific story would make it very easy for your employer to link you to your UKP profile.

I have known people caught out with kind of employer intrusion going back 20 years. It used to be GPS trackers and motion detectors, microphones in toilets, email monitoring, hard drive snooping etc. All legal. The tech is just getting too good now.
It perfectly legal if the company can justify it and the vehicle is used solely for work. Subject to data protection laws.
Even hidden surveillance is allowed if you are under investigation.
I am no expert, but a quick google turned up this for more info.
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Offline Likeateddybear

Yeah that's bollocks as it's illegal. Company property or not you require the consent of the individual.

Offline PaulRuff

One of the myriad reasons I take the allowance & lease a car myself!  Fuck all that tracking shit!

Offline southcoastpunter

consent may have been given in the pages of "terms of emplyment/handbook" - but some, perhaps more so the smaller employers, don't always know or stick strictly to the letter of the law.

I think anyone who uses anything provided by a company (and especially company paid hotel room) for punting purposes is potentially risking their job.

« Last Edit: September 24, 2021, 12:11:04 pm by southcoastpunter »

Offline lillythesavage

One of the myriad reasons I take the allowance & lease a car myself!  Fuck all that tracking shit!

You would have no idea if they stuck a remote one on the car in the car park :D, another reason to avoid all tech and apps as much as possible.

Offline Lou2019

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I guess there could be some argument too from the employer about activities/phone calls in "company time"  :unknown:

Offline bdyno

May or may not be relevant, but...

A company I used to work for had a pool car I used occasionally.  It was insured strictly for Business use only.  Any 'other' use was only covered 3rd party via your own vehicle insurance.

If you didn't have your own insured vehicle as well, I'd guess that technically means you're uninsured during this kind of social activity?

Offline Straightsix

I imagined some poor male or female graduate transcribing this and calling their supervisor. :scare:
It does mitigate the circumstance if you fantasise the female scribe listening, legs on the table, inserting two fingers and eventually gushing over her keyboard shouting your name.
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Offline Moby Dick

Seems a poor use of resource. They must have suspected something in the first place to be checking.

I imagine many lorries / vans / delivery drivers have dashcams installed.
There was that movie footage of a guy picking CDs, looking up and smashing into the back of someone.
Don’t recall sound/voices but you could read his lips.
Prosecuted and used as evidence.
I expect they must have to sign that they agree to be filmed/dashcams.

If they don’t tell you and are tracking your movements , have access to the movie footage/sound then I would be finding out a way to disconnect it.
Same with tracking apps on mobile phones, turn the phone off, long before you detour of your route, at service station maybe, turn it back on when you are back to where you should be. Blame the technology or say you stopped for an hour to queue for diesel.

Offline Lou2019

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They must have suspected something in the first place to be checking.

more than likely

Offline advent2016

Some of our computer systems have this sort of message prior to login, even my work phone has an abbreviated version.

"You are accessing a UK HMG information System (IS) that is provided for authorized users only
By using this IS (which includes any device attached to this IS), you consent to the following conditions:

Your employer routinely intercepts and monitors communications on this IS for purposes including, but not limited to, penetration testing, COMSEC monitoring, network operations and defence, personnel misconduct (PM), law enforcement (LE), and counter intelligence (CI) investigations.

If you think you may have breached security by accessing or attempting to access this equipment please call XX99 immediately."

I would expect the dashcam to announce itself with a warning like  "Information, both visual and audible may be recorded for any legal purpose".

Offline Dipper

Good lord. We'll all have to be secret agent qualified just to punt before long.

I think a good general rule would be to be wary of dashcams everywhere, any cams for that matter.

Offline char45

I am not a lawyer but I think your employer can monitor you at work provided they tell you they are doing this and why:

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A lawyer would have to say whether they could monitor you for a legitimate reason, ie. you drinking or driving dangerously in your car; or you calling escorts

Offline funfungoodguy

Frankly we are all monitored the whole time.
i just went out to get diesel and ice cream (not in the same container)
The local town street cams will have me, my phone timeline mapping wall have me, two transactions were recorded for date time place amount and card used. The shop now knows i buy ice cream, it will link that to the vegetables and stuff i bought a few days ago to add to its profile of me as i use the same card for most  shopping. Somebody called me while i was out. Their phone knows where i was when i answered. Several retail premises will have me on their security cameras.

--   and so on. ---

I suppose if i walked, and wore a disguise (Mask?), paid cash, took no phone and managed to change my appearance and clothes during my outing, alter my gait to a different style, make myself shorter or taller, adopt a hunch back, then possibly I'd keep off the radar, but ... 
FF  !!
« Last Edit: September 24, 2021, 03:47:28 pm by funfungoodguy »

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Offline CoverMyEyes

Legal or not legal, it can be done. Want to end up in court challenging it with messages like "I'm looking for OWO and anal" on there? Probably a good warning IMO.

Offline boardyhell

I was wondering why my son installed one in my car unsolicited,  :dash:

Offline Richthescouser

The biggest issue I see with this is the bandwidth needed to get it off the camera. A 32 gig card can run for a few hours, and certainly can run out on a single journey. Shifting 32 gig in a few hours and repeatedly over the month isn’t going to be doable with anything other than an unlimited data sim.

Offline Adoniron

I am not a lawyer but I think your employer can monitor you at work provided they tell you they are doing this and why:

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A lawyer would have to say whether they could monitor you for a legitimate reason, ie. you drinking or driving dangerously in your car; or you calling escorts

I think the point is they didn't tell him he was being monitored.

Offline Jumping Jack Flash

May or may not be relevant, but...

A company I used to work for had a pool car I used occasionally.  It was insured strictly for Business use only.  Any 'other' use was only covered 3rd party via your own vehicle insurance.

If you didn't have your own insured vehicle as well, I'd guess that technically means you're uninsured during this kind of social activity?

It may be covered for business and pleasure use which is pretty common.

Offline willie loman

quite recently in the papers, a policeman and policewoman, caught canoodling after force bugged their patrol car, so it must be legal in certain circumstances.

Offline spiralnotebook

In the utility industries it’s quite common for the snooping perverts to have a camera recording the driver, so if you fart or scratch your balls it’s recorded. If you check out your terms of contract somewhere in there will be a section stating you agree to be tracked etc. I had a spat a couple of years ago when the (large) cowboy firm I was working for pulled telemetry from the vehicle hire company. I had not signed consent for this or to be tracked and complained to the ICO who basically said nothing you can do. Take a picture of yourself sat at the seat and stick it in front of the camera or if past caring a photo of say a dogs arse or a dog having a shit. It won’t stop the tracking but by heck what a way to part company.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2021, 07:12:56 am by spiralnotebook »

Offline Jayj

Ok cards on the table in a previous life I had an involvement in this type of activity, not any more I should add.

You will have somewhere at some time signed a document to say the company can fo this, how big is the company 🤷🏻‍♂️ The one I was involved with had over 20 thousand employees thousands of vehicles, in the amongst the many documents you sign you will have given consent for them to fo this.

I don’t know how big your company is but the biggest factor by a massive margin isn’t smart computer algermithams but they are in the mix tracking you, or a secret room with 50 staff transcribing calls like some nineteen 50’s spy film, no biggest factor 🤷🏻‍♂️ Good old grass, yep people grassing you up some that bloke you like well he doesn’t like you he has rang the company “confidential line” someone outside the company who might not like you rings in, woman at work you made a comment to rings in, you have a company van park somewhere someone isn’t happy about they ring in.

Ok so you get the picture it’s sad trust know one because someone has grassed you up, best info we used to get was from upset ex girl and boy friends wife who had been cheated on.

Now everything you do email, text, vehicle information is recorded and monitored it’s sent through computer software it reads it pick up words phrases, your GPS has hot  spots geofencing alerts when you go in certain areas.

I work for a company I have my own car, I only use company phone for work, I leave it at work or at home never take it with me unless for work.

We had complete surveillance on all employees from the moment they they hit out of bed switched on the lap top, the phone, got in the car or van, went to work and used the biometric entry system. Which room did they go in how long on computer how long coffee break how long lunch right down to how long in the loo.

This is a household name company why, lots of legitimate reasons productivity, safety, security, stop people taking the piss and yes to catch them out.

If your punting on work time unless your self employed then be careful, look back at what you signed, everyone in and out of work is a potential grass, as the saying goes “if you can’t do the time don’t do the crime” punt out of work no problem.

Whiles i was in this line of work we caught loads of people wrong side of the line, some guys punting but more affaires lots of women seeing other guys in and out of work, plus the obvious theft stuff and stealing company information.

I had just a couple of staff one of them was brilliant, she would use social media send a friend request get on their other accounts, she knew everything about the person under surveillance in work, every electronic entry logged and mapped, this was more for people stealing than someone seeing brass or as I say meeting a workmate they are having an affair with in the car park of Tesco after work not great in work then that was HR.

Hope that helps
« Last Edit: September 25, 2021, 07:38:46 am by Jayj »

Offline funfungoodguy

How often do we click through 'Consent' boxes to complete a transaction?, the above post is a reminder we have all consented to massively invasive terms. We do this often, from our computer that has an IP address that leaves a calling card everywhere you go. Every call, text  and search you make on your mobile phone is logged and traceable. Every text message can be recovered and produced if needed for example if you are prosecuted for something.

It is in real terms impossible to find out what we have agreed to and worse, to withdraw that agreement.

To do that you'd have to leave the country, go to Patagonia for a few months and be a nomad not connection to any official services living a cash only life, have a face, DNA and fingerprint transplant and then come back, by boat across the English Channel perhaps, pretend to have lost your papers, and basically just try to reinvent yourself. Andy Dufresne knew how to do this in Shawshank Redemption - without the surgery, but he had to live in a shithole prison for twenty years being shafted by the system and 'The Sisters'.

Instead - be careful, have a punting phone and a decent story.
FF

« Last Edit: September 25, 2021, 08:47:56 am by funfungoodguy »

Offline Anadin

We have Dashcams in our work vans but we've all turned the microphones off. I also make sure I park a fair distance away if I'm using it to go to a punt as it's tracked and has the company name printed on the side.

Offline advent2016

Previously they had those Nextbase type from Halfords, easy to see and (accidentally) disable. Quite a few cars had them stolen and window smashed. 
I haven't used the pool vehicles for quite a while up to this point.

Seems to be a moot point now as when I tried to book one out the clerk said "Sorry, the computer says no, have you tried Avis?" I asked why and she said it could be lots of things ;undeclared points on licence, your project manager has run out of money, you've upset some jobsworth - too many scrapes and dents, too many punctures and a few others.

Avis has dropped me of a nice shiny rental hopefully with a full tank as there is no where round here to fill up, although they charge quite a lot more per litre and a £25 fuel service fee
« Last Edit: September 26, 2021, 11:41:40 am by advent2016 »

Offline mills_and_bhuna



I've now been send various literature about diversity training. :lol:


they'll surely just be wanting to make sure Asian and ebony escorts are getting a fair crack at the contents of your wallet

Offline lillythesavage

It may be covered for business and pleasure use which is pretty common.

If you use your own car to travel to and from work, CHECK YOUR POLICY, this is no longer automatically included on any policy, you have to request it or tick a box if doing it online.
Ever seen the line of coppers, early morning or early evening, stopping random cars? The first question is where are going, reply to or from work , say goodbye to your car and gratefully receive the fine and points, oh and the bill to get your car back, plus at least a days storage, you will not get it back same day, the jobsworth will ensure that. That is how they make their money.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

There will soon come a day when we'll have a microchip injected into our dicks thats like the ones that cats have to trace where we've been;(...

Offline lillythesavage

There will soon come a day when we'll have a microchip injected into our dicks thats like the ones that cats have to trace where we've been;(...


Have you not heard? That is going to be your vaccine passport  :D

Offline Neo

Thanks for the heads up OP I never considered that.